Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[wasthinking]

Okay....I found it. On Youtube, there is a video of Jodi Arias Trial Day 3 by a person eonblue3. It's a 3+ hour coverage of the testimony. The ME is testifying about the possibility of the lung being nicked at approx 1:09:17 location.

Thanks, I really appreciate it! I'll match it to what I have over the next couple days and get whatever I might have missed. Holy shit, I just noticed I marked the beginning with 1:20. I obviously started midstream and just caught that now.

[Sweetharmony]

I still can't buy that the shower pics were consensual. Looking at his face at 5:27. He looks surprised. All of them are out of focus except for that face picture. If she is as professional as she claims, she would have better pictures.

The photo shoot was just a pretence to get Travis into a vulnerable position, I think; she was not concerned with the quality of the pictures. She said that they paused between pictures to view them and delete those they didn't like but no such deletes were found and, as you see, most of the photos we see are not keepers. I do think that she was talking to him and giving directions for poses just as one would do in a real shoot.

[andrea0121]

I can see what is in this picture... But what just completely baffles me, is the angle of this photo.. If she is thought to be dragging him.. HOW the HELL did the camera take the picture from this angle??

Thank you!!! This picture is taken above ground level...she had to have had a strap or been holding it??

[Justice11]

Wasn't that the one that was in court looking high as a Georgia pine, and crying every 2 minutes?

Yes, that is the same girl.

Yeah it is the same girl. She was in court for the trial, for a week (don't remember which one). She was crying, and looking high as a kite, most of the time. She's her BFF.

Exactly.

I definitely agree that she was too lazy to make a life for herself, but just because she dropped out doesn't make her stupid...her decisions make her stupid. I too dropped out of high school (mine had to do with a crazy family situation and me having to leave the house and support myself at 16). I am now a CPA and starting my Doctorate. Dropping out doesn't necessarily mean you are stupid, however if you throw your life away after the fact that is a stupid thing to do. I think Jodi had some potential at one point in her life but I think she chose the easy way out.

Agree.

Neat. We finally get a picture of what Nurmi is writing on the pad.....

Are you sure he is not playing hangman? (ba dum tss)

The ME testimony was around day 3-4 of the trial. I remember him testifying that one of the stab wounds to the chest could have possibly nicked a lung, but he could not determine any such nick because of the state of decomposition of the body and internal organs. I think he was testifying as to how the blood drops and spatter around the sink could have gotten there.

I just watched this again a few days ago. You are remembering correctly. :)

[Justice11]

Thank you!!! This picture is taken above ground level...she had to have had a strap or been holding it??

I don't think so. It might have been getting kicked and jostled around, that could affect the angles.

The pictures are a huge mystery that brings about a lot of questions and speculations.

[wasthinking]

(Catching up) This sequence makes me feel sick to my stomach. Poor Alexander

I con myself with at least it was only a couple minutes, some victims that are tortured for hours. A pathetic consolation huh.
I've lived asking myself every day for years, does God take people out of their bodies before they suffer too long? I like to believe that is true, some days it works, too often it doesn't. :(

[AnnieBelle]

I still can't buy that the shower pics were consensual. Looking at his face at 5:27. He looks surprised. All of them are out of focus except for that face picture. If she is as professional as she claims, she would have better pictures.

I agree with you, although I think we are in the minority! Personally, I "lose" myself in the luxury of a shower....I was taking one, earlier, closing my eyes and shampooing my hair. Enjoying the warm water. And I opened my eyes and realized that my cat was sitting on the toilet lid, watching me! Scared the frigging life out of me.....I didn't know he had trotted in!!

[AnnieBelle]

I don't think so. It might have been getting kicked and jostled around, that could affect the anges.

The pictures are a huge mystery that brings about a lot of questions and speculations.

To me, it looks like the camera was just kicked about on the floor between the last two shots. And being upside down, pressure was on the button to snap the pics. Those pictures were a gift from God, to speak for Travis from beyond the grave.

[Wishmich]

Hi, everyone. Newbie here, but am oh so glad to be reading all the contributions. I, too, am consumed by this trial but have no one to talk to about it! Anyway, what I would like to contribute is a thought on the sequence of the gunshot. I have a friend who was shot in the head. He survived, but lost an eye and a portion of his brain. I realize the trajectory and bullet size may make a difference, but I want to share what he said happened. After he was shot, he only had a split second to even think about what just occurred. With that said, I find it impossible for Travis to be shot first and actually yell "kill you bitch". That's just ridiculous to me. Secondly, based on my friend's experience, I don't think he could have made it to the sink and down the hall. The last good photo has Travis looking odd to me. I think she was flipping out and he knew this was going to be bad. I also think she had the camera in one hand and the knife duct taped to her somewhere on her body where he could not see it. She would use it if he didn't give her the response she was looking for.

There. Whew! My first contribution and it wasn't as painful as I thought it would be. :)

[wasthinking]

I thought this was interesting too. HLN tried to re-enact the murder the way Jodi said it happened. http://youtu.be/tZ_q7FuWk7c

That was fun, thanks. I never watch HLN. wow, I can't believe they had something worth watching like that instead of a palm reader or something.

[tiggrrl72077]

I agree with you, although I think we are in the minority! Personally, I "lose" myself in the luxury of a shower....I was taking one, earlier, closing my eyes and shampooing my hair. Enjoying the warm water. And I opened my eyes and realized that my cat was sitting on the toilet lid, watching me! Scared the frigging life out of me.....I didn't know he had trotted in!!

I agree too. She claims to be a professional photographer and everyone of those pictures were horrible. I am in school for photography and am starting up my own photography business, even in my first semester I could take better pictures than that. Especially if these were pictures that really were for documenting how he looked. I call complete

That was fun, thanks. I never watch HLN. wow, I can't believe they had something worth watching like that instead of a palm reader or something.

I never watch it either. It was posted on FB and I thought it was pretty interesting. Especially when they are talking about the spent shell casing and how it never would have landed where she said it would.

[wasthinking]

Hi, everyone. Newbie here, but am oh so glad to be reading all the contributions. I, too, am consumed by this trial but have no one to talk to about it! Anyway, what I would like to contribute is a thought on the sequence of the gunshot. I have a friend who was shot in the head. He survived, but lost an eye and a portion of his brain. I realize the trajectory and bullet size may make a difference, but I want to share what he said happened. After he was shot, he only had a split second to even think about what just occurred. With that said, I find it impossible for Travis to be shot first and actually yell "kill you bitch". That's just ridiculous to me. Secondly, based on my friend's experience, I don't think he could have made it to the sink and down the hall. The last good photo has Travis looking odd to me. I think she was flipping out and he knew this was going to be bad. I also think she had the camera in one hand and the knife duct taped to her somewhere on her body where he could not see it. She would use it if he didn't give her the response she was looking for.

There. Whew! My first contribution and it wasn't as painful as I thought it would be. :)

welcome!
I don't buy anything she says. I don't think she needed the knife taped anywhere though, because she was sneaking around and he didn't know. She could have it right in her hand, or on the sink whatever.

That HLN re enacted me is worth watching. No stippling! Anyone here that is about 5'5"? If you hold your arms out (like holding the gun) how many feet high are your arms?
Travis was 5'9" There is no way even hunched over, the bullet trajectory angle matches her BS.

[nyx276]

The sex tape was totally set up for Black mail purposes. She brought up all the sexcapades on it in detail. Wonder if she threatened him with it leading up to his death. The throwing of the cd testimony could have been the sex recording not pictures!!

I totally agree with this. Taping a phone conversation without the other person knowing is really weird (and I truly believe he had no idea she was recording). Either you're an obsessed weirdo or it's for blackmail. Or in Jodi's case....both!! So she's got the sex tape, at least one pic of his junk, and possibly a video of them having sex IIRC. I'm thinking she has a freakout about their relationship" on a phone call (since there's no record on text or email) and told him she was sending all the sex stuff she had to his bishop. The bishop has come up multiple times in her stories...there's significance there. She knew how vital the church was to him and that she would hurt him by even the suggestion that she would deliberately excommunicate him to get her way. So the question for me is, if this situation is close to what happened, what was it that she was trying to get out of him specifically through blackmail?

His failure to respond to her many calls June 3 before and during her time on the road tell me he may have been avoiding her calls until he finally caved and called her back....he talked to her on the road for a while, sure, but I kind of feel like he didn't know she was coming to his house till she showed up. They apparently had late night calls all the time and his job let him set his own hours from what I understand. So I'm not convinced he was waiting up for her...he may have just been awake for whatever reason. So her she comes, 4am, and he's a nice guy and she was probably all platitudes and apologies about her earlier behavior....so he lets her stay. She pounces on him for sex in the morning, and being the rather naive guy I think he was he lets her eventually talk him into taking pics (remember most of the afternoon sex pics are of her, not him, and the two of him are obviously taken when he was unaware). The rest is unfortunate history.

[wasthinking]

I agree too. She claims to be a professional photographer and everyone of those pictures were horrible. I am in school for photography and am starting up my own photography business, even in my first semester I could take better pictures than that. Especially if these were pictures that really were for documenting how he looked. I call complete


I never watch it either. It was posted on FB and I thought it was pretty interesting. Especially when they are talking about the spent shell casing and how it never would have landed where she said it would.

The shell casing I've never been impressed with that argument because there were too many people in and out of there when they found him, anyone of them could have kicked it there.
But that wrestling, slamming on tile, head facing north not south was very impressive! And the linebacker they did was great to watch.It was like when Juan busted her 'wind knocked out of me' oh you couldn't breath then! .. well I wasn't thnking of that, I rolled and jumped up blah BS. Jodi speak "I wasn't thinking of that" means she's really thinking, duh, I never thought about that part in my lie.
Trying to act out her linebacker she looked like a goonbird. You could almost watch her practicing it in her mind when they were at sidebar.

[wasthinking]

The photo shoot was just a pretence to get Travis into a vulnerable position, I think; she was not concerned with the quality of the pictures. She said that they paused between pictures to view them and delete those they didn't like but no such deletes were found and, as you see, most of the photos we see are not keepers. I do think that she was talking to him and giving directions for poses just as one would do in a real shoot.

I think they are bad because she's a sneaky bitch and was creeping around in low light and no talent and Travis didn't have a clue. There is no way his 'surprised' shocked look is direction or modeling imo.

[Sweetharmony]

Hi, everyone. Newbie here, but am oh so glad to be reading all the contributions. I, too, am consumed by this trial but have no one to talk to about it! Anyway, what I would like to contribute is a thought on the sequence of the gunshot. I have a friend who was shot in the head. He survived, but lost an eye and a portion of his brain. I realize the trajectory and bullet size may make a difference, but I want to share what he said happened. After he was shot, he only had a split second to even think about what just occurred. With that said, I find it impossible for Travis to be shot first and actually yell "kill you bitch". That's just ridiculous to me. Secondly, based on my friend's experience, I don't think he could have made it to the sink and down the hall. The last good photo has Travis looking odd to me. I think she was flipping out and he knew this was going to be bad. I also think she had the camera in one hand and the knife duct taped to her somewhere on her body where he could not see it. She would use it if he didn't give her the response she was looking for.

There. Whew! My first contribution and it wasn't as painful as I thought it would be. :)

Hi Wishmich and welcome! I am another noob and was nervous about posting - still am, for that matter. I am not very computer savvy and I have trouble just logging in and my posts vanish into thin air and I mysteriously find myself logged out... Very frustrating but I have watched the trial from the very beginning and found My Death Space soon after and spend waaay too much time here! Nice to have you aboard.

[AnnieBelle]

Hi, everyone. Newbie here, but am oh so glad to be reading all the contributions. I, too, am consumed by this trial but have no one to talk to about it! Anyway, what I would like to contribute is a thought on the sequence of the gunshot. I have a friend who was shot in the head. He survived, but lost an eye and a portion of his brain. I realize the trajectory and bullet size may make a difference, but I want to share what he said happened. After he was shot, he only had a split second to even think about what just occurred. With that said, I find it impossible for Travis to be shot first and actually yell "kill you bitch". That's just ridiculous to me. Secondly, based on my friend's experience, I don't think he could have made it to the sink and down the hall. The last good photo has Travis looking odd to me. I think she was flipping out and he knew this was going to be bad. I also think she had the camera in one hand and the knife duct taped to her somewhere on her body where he could not see it. She would use it if he didn't give her the response she was looking for.

There. Whew! My first contribution and it wasn't as painful as I thought it would be. :)

Welcome to our great group!!

[Wishmich]

I agree. I don't think he knew she was taking pictures until the end. That's why he has that weird look on his face. He knows she's tripping and something is going to go down.

[andrea0121]

Hi Wishmich and welcome! I am another noob and was nervous about posting - still am, for that matter. I am not very computer savvy and I have trouble just logging in and my posts vanish into thin air and I mysteriously find myself logged out... Very frustrating but I have watched the trial from the very beginning and found My Death Space soon after and spend waaay too much time here! Nice to have you aboard.

Next time you log in, click the little check box that says 'remember me' then you won't get logged out every 2 minutes. Welcome!

[WooFrigginHoo]

Hi, everyone. Newbie here, but am oh so glad to be reading all the contributions. I, too, am consumed by this trial but have no one to talk to about it! Anyway, what I would like to contribute is a thought on the sequence of the gunshot. I have a friend who was shot in the head. He survived, but lost an eye and a portion of his brain. I realize the trajectory and bullet size may make a difference, but I want to share what he said happened. After he was shot, he only had a split second to even think about what just occurred. With that said, I find it impossible for Travis to be shot first and actually yell "kill you bitch". That's just ridiculous to me. Secondly, based on my friend's experience, I don't think he could have made it to the sink and down the hall. The last good photo has Travis looking odd to me. I think she was flipping out and he knew this was going to be bad. I also think she had the camera in one hand and the knife duct taped to her somewhere on her body where he could not see it. She would use it if he didn't give her the response she was looking for.

There. Whew! My first contribution and it wasn't as painful as I thought it would be. :)

Hi Wishmich and welcome! I am another noob and was nervous about posting - still am, for that matter. I am not very computer savvy and I have trouble just logging in and my posts vanish into thin air and I mysteriously find myself logged out... Very frustrating but I have watched the trial from the very beginning and found My Death Space soon after and spend waaay too much time here! Nice to have you aboard.

Welcome!

[Sweetharmony]

Next time you log in, click the little check box that says 'remember me' then you won't get logged out every 2 minutes. Welcome!

Oh, thank you Andrea0121! Almost every time I tried to reply to someone I would have to log in again. Kind of slows the conversation down!

[wasthinking]

I agree. I don't think he knew she was taking pictures until the end. That's why he has that weird look on his face. He knows she's tripping and something is going to go down.

12:13 Travis talks with Chris
1:42:53 - 1:47 sex pic
4:19 - last activity, email on TA's computer
5:33 dead or dying

Jodi first said she arrived at 3 a.m.
Computer guy listed the box head lady video was at 4:15 or around there
So how was he watching that video when she arrived an hour before he was even watching it?

And I think the 4:20 email he sent tells us they were downstairs. I believe that is when he was trying to get rid of her and got busy cleaning. Thinking she left, he then an hour later went up to shower, post cleaning. And bam, the witch crept in.

[Wishmich]

Sometimes I think she called him on the way to make sure he was home and was going to crawl thru the doggie door and just kill him in his sleep. But had to change up her plan when she discovered he was awake. She had to seduce him and get him in a vulnerable position.

[morbidT]

Most seem not to be over 1 1/2 to 2" and I remember wondering if that could suggest the knife was 2" wide. With the exception of the lateral abdomonial one.
As for the appearance of them, decomp widens them from drying and skin shrinkage etc so what we see at 5/6 days isn't the same as what they were when she killed him.
iirc the way he explained it was it was a sort of lucky (my word) shot slipping in between the two ribs. He is actually tapping his own chest when talking about it.

I'm talking about the length of the wound compared to the width of the penetrating object. Decomp doesn't really do anything to the length, only the width of the wound.

here is the me report on the torso - can you translate??

The cluster of nine stab wounds:
Upper paramidline right and left sides of the back- this means the wounds are on either side of the spine to the soft tissue (muscle and fat), with markings on the outside edges of the vertebrae of the spine. They are on the upper back. They were all done in an area of 6 x 5 1/2 inches. So, they weren't spread out over his back. Basically contained to one area. The wound size ranges of 3/4 to 1 1/2 inches mean the the penetrating object was (probably) up to 1 1/2 inches wide. The smaller lengths happened because the object wasn't penetrated past the wider width. Like a V. The pointed end is going to be a shorter width than the top. Just like on a knife.

One inch oblique stab wound of the right paramidline neck base/upper back, with penetration into the trapezius muscle:
This is the wound on the right side of his neck/back (there was a lot of discussion on this whether it was pooled blood or a wound early in the thread), where the neck and back join. The wound penetrates the neck/shoulder muscle. That area you put your arms around to hug your man.

One inch horizontal stab wound of the upper paramidline left chest, which terminates at the level of the sternum:
This is on the front left side of his chest near the breastbone.

1 1/2 inch oblique stab wound of the paramidline right chest, with penetration/perforation of the costochondrial junction near the sternum at the level.......:
This is on the right side of the chest at the 3rd and 4th rib. The wound is literally in between where the rib connects (cartilage) to the breastbone. The vena cava is under the breastbone, cuddled by the lung. I'm thinking he must of been exhaling when he was stabbed in order for it to have not penetrated the lung. My logic on this is our lungs are smaller when we exhale because we are pushing the air out of our lungs. They shrink when we exhale. The perforation of the vena cava would cause massive amounts of blood loss. This is the main vein that brings blood back to the heart. It does NOT appear his heart was stabbed. It sounds like the pericardial sac was intact, but included some bleeding with in it. If he was stabbed in the heart, the pericardial sac would have been perforated.

A deep transverse 2 inch incised wound.......:
This is on the underside of the pec muscle. Sounds like it is not only a stab, but a slice.

A 1 3/4 inch oblique stab wound.....:
Your belly is made up of four quadrants. Draw a line down the middle of your belly (down your belly button) and another line across you belly, through your belly button. This is how you get quadrants.
The top quadrant on the left side. So, below the ribs and above the line going across the body. The top part of a six pack. Left upper abdominal quadrant. This stab wound did not hit anything vital. Adipose tissue is fat. It states, "the abdominal cavity is not penetrated," which means it didn't poke through into his organs.

Two very shallow.......:
These are slice wounds that aren't very deep on the front (anterior) side of the shoulder.



I hope this helps. I tried to explain things the easiest way I could.

[dianalyn]

Ok it was the one that was on last night, thanks.

That is the one I was asking about earlier- it is up on youtube- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC-tYAjGYPA