Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[beli]

Ron she also lost a bunch of weight since then on purpose to attempt to look smaller! And she's only 2inches shorter then travis! Not to mention HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A WOMEN SCORNED!!!!

he's not going to listen to you you guys are going to get this thread locked again because you are trying to convince him.

[Ron_NYC]

For what it's worth, I don't think it was easy. I think the element of surprise was crucial--she caught him totally off guard in the shower and made that first stab to the heart count.

The rest of the stabbing, I think, was rage induced. By then, he was incapacitated to the point where he could barely defend himself.

Dragging him across the bloody, wet tile floor again, could not have been easy. But definitely do-able.

Where I start to get puzzled is how the hell she shoved him in that shower...

See, now THIS is a reasonable argument. The only reason I seem like a broken record is because I am constantly meeting the same argument.

People say how "easy" it would be for Jodi to do this, and that's NOT how you convince someone who thinks her doing it solo is damn near an impossibility.

Now you're looking at it realistically instead of acting like she's some unstoppable superhero and even questioning her strength is ludicrous.

and goddammit ron!

What did I do?

[phantompoet]

it's on!

[***JiLL***]

Wait...does Bryan Carr know about "Jake?"

[Twinmutha]

Back on!

[hatchan]

Yes.


Yea, when someone is sleeping. Sure, being in the shower is prone, but it's not the same as being ASLEEP.

And did the gun come last? Did it come first? We still don't know. Reasonable doubt as to this scenario. Sell me something better or I'm saying "Not Guilty."

And I'm sorry, but most women that are 120 aren't dragging guys around.

did you look up "reasonable doubt"??? the jury can HAVE reasonalable doubt and convict!

[Ron_NYC]

Ron she also lost a bunch of weight since then on purpose to attempt to look smaller! And she's only 2inches shorter then travis! Not to mention HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A WOMEN SCORNED!!!!

Yea, that shit again.

he's not going to listen to you. you guys are going to get this thread locked again because you are trying to convince him.

Huh? There's an actual discussion instead of:

"Did you see that?"

"Man, she is such a ho bag!"

"Hate that bitch. Look at his family! They have to sit there and watch her lie! DIE BITCH!"

"Is it back on yet?"

"Is it back on yet?"

"Does anyone know if things are on again?"

"Not yet. I think it's coming back on in a minute."

"It's back on."

"I can't see anything. Is it back on?"

"It's back on YESSSSSS!"

[Dimple blossom]

We're back!

[sandylm]

I see that snarky look!

[phantompoet]

scratching her head must be the bedbugs from prison

[helloagain]

Yea, that shit again.


Huh? There's an actual discussion instead of:

"Did you see that?"

"Man, she is such a ho bag!"

"Hate that bitch. Look at his family! They have to sit there and watch her lie! DIE BITCH!"

"Is it back on yet?"

"Is it back on yet?"

"Does anyone know if things are on again?"

"Not yet. I think it's coming back on in a minute."

"It's back on."

"I can't see anything. Is it back on?"

"It's back on YESSSSSS!"

We're back!

[rdeadline]

It's on~!

[Ron_NYC]

did you look up "reasonable doubt"??? the jury can HAVE reasonalable doubt and convict!

"Generally the prosecution bears the burden of proof and is required to prove their version of events to this standard."

If I'm on the jury and they're going to try and sell me her solo story, they're gonna need a shitload of evidence because I'm not buying that shit.

[Harlette]

Oh, I totally see what you're saying. I wouldn't want to tussle with beantown. That chick looks rough. I can also think of a few military chicks that I wouldn't wanna have to deal with if they had knives on them too. Yikes.

Jodi is petite though, sorry. If you're saying she's not small, I don't know what would be considered a small woman, and you're basically calling most posters here fat. Haha.

Easily take him down? That's where I say you're kidding yourself. I can even see arguing where it's possible, but easy? C'mon man!

She doesn't look like she'd be the tough one in a womens prison, but she's beating dudes up left and right?

ron - i read the police report that said travis' roomates would go in his bathroom and bedroom any time - so there dna might have been excluded when LE checked

[twinkielucille]

Welcome! (Also, Jodi does not have a French manicure. It just looks like it sometimes. The inmates are not allowed nail polish. Make up, yes, but nail polish, no.)

Ahhhh, thanks for the clarification. I didn't think they could, but it sure looked like one. Now looking at the pictures, it's just where her nails have grown out past the bed. Thanks for the welcome, too! I've been a member for forever, but never posted. This case has me losing my damn mind.

[CreepyGus]

You have to realize that reasonable doubt is not the same as absolutely no doubt. You don't always have to know every single detail to be able to come to the conclusion that something is or is not true.

If the jury concludes that Jodi has lied about too many facts, they can cast aside her entire testimony. Then you would have NO self-defense, and they could rely on the other evidence to conclude that she committed first degree murder.

[MadameX]

Now you're looking at it realistically instead of acting like she's some unstoppable superhero and even questioning her strength is ludicrous.

Hey now... this is how I've ALWAYS thought it went down. Don't lump me in with the crazies!

(Not naming names... )

[andrea0121]

Oh my god, I just saw her make that shit up on the fly about Travis not calming down that quickly.

Also, the 'hearing his footsteps' thing is absurd. There's literally like 2 feet in between where she landed and where she entered the closet. It's not the length of the football field for fucks sake.

[Kristinella]

Success! Bf just asked me to turn up the tv. Said, "It's not my fault you got me into this bullshit. It only took 6 weeks."

[CreepyGus]

Time to think = Premeditation

[rdeadline]

This does not sound like a life threatening situation, imo.

[dianalyn]

I don't understand. Are you saying she is too small and frail to lift a heavy knife and gun? To weak to swing a knife 27 times? She lucked out Ron, and her first thrust with a knife severely injured him. I have a nice set of sharp knives. It takes little effort to cut up a chicken. In fact, I had bad dreams about these knives when I first got them. Her dad closed his restaurant and she said her dad gifted her kitchen items from the restaurant. How much you want to bet she had a high quality, sharpened butchers knife?

Where is this ignore feature? I can't help myself from responding to him. I really worry about Ron's safety in that he seems to measure a persons propensity for violence and murder by their size and gender. I hope he never runs into a Jodi or Aileeen.

Go to his profile and you will see an "ignore this user" option- used it a few times already new as I am- sorry for being off topic here but hope that helped

[andrea0121]

Success! Bf just asked me to turn up the tv. Said, "It's not my fault you got me into this bullshit. It only took 6 weeks."

[Ron_NYC]

ron - i read the police report that said travis' roomates would go in his bathroom and bedroom any time - so there dna might have been excluded when LE checked

See? Now we're having a discussion.

People seem to think it's an impossibility for anyone else to be involved, but left that factor out every time. That is enough for reasonable doubt. I should get her attorney on the horn and make all of your heads explode.

You have to realize that reasonable doubt is not the same as absolutely no doubt. You don't always have to know every single detail to be able to come to the conclusion that something is or is not true.

If the jury concludes that Jodi has lied about too many facts, they can cast aside her entire testimony. Then you would have NO self-defense, and they could rely on the other evidence to conclude that she committed first degree murder.

I see what you're saying, but one could also dismiss the prosecution's vision of the events because they have failed to convince you of them. The burden of proof is on them.

[Jem]

If she wanted to get away she would have run left and exited the bedroom, not right to run in a circle back to the bathroom.