Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[bermstalker]

I can't see Travis buying a black market gun.
I can't see it not being released already if Travis bought one from a friend.

I take it he has never bought one legal either, or there would be records.

[elamir]

You're right. I'm just saying it seems weird that a video that has already been televised has been subpenaed.
Then again, I missed the part where they actually subpenaed the video so I'm not completely sure.

thats what I'm thinking. JM always has a way of using the defense's tactics and witnesses for his own purposes

video was played on HNL over the weekend, Nurmi brought it up in court first thing today, Judge asked him if he wanted it, he said yes and also for Dave not to watch any more of the trial

[***JiLL***]

It's also not a common caliber for a male to choose as his ONLY choice of weapon. I know it's possible, but add to that that he never told anyone he had a weapon (not something that should be bragged about - since it is there for your protection), and there was no ammo, no extra magazines, no gun cleaning kit... NOTHING to support her claim at all that the gun was his. Since he did know about guns, it is unlikely that he would have chosen it as his only means of protection. It's WAY too much of a coincidence that a .25 goes missing from her grandparents and a .25 was used to kill him. It's not THAT common of a caliber (it's up there, but it would be more likely if it were a 9mm or something a little more common). Either way - she takes a stolen gun with her (helps show premeditation) Murder 1... OR she steals the gun from his house after killing him - Felony Murder. Either eay - she's fucked.

I totally agree, I just know how slimy the defense is and I know what I said is a point my mom brought up to me. She follows the case by what HLN says pretty much.

[aaronsmommy]

I bet Nurmi wishes he could subpena God

Probably not, actually....



Either Jodi would be screwed, or Nurmi would be in the afterlife for making God lie on stand.

[Justice11]

Did anyone catch it when Jodi said that she HOPES Matt McCartney wouldn't betray her. Could he have possibly agreed to testify for the prosecution to avoid prosecution himself? This one could be quite interesting.

Welcome! And yes, I caught that too.

I am getting a little bit frustrated when he's allowing her to take control at moments - because he gets caught up arguing a point with her. I feel like the point is already been made to the jury (at least it has been with me, but I can only assume) so maybe he should move on to the next point faster since there is almost no way she is going to give answers correctly. She is going to continue to argue with him on every answer and refuse to answer Yes or No.

Agree. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place with her. She disputes every single question. He doesn't want to give her an inch in her lies. It is all very frustrating.

Let's keep in mind, JM is ONE person. He is not going to catch everything. I hope he has people watching this for him and giving him hints/slip ups/pointers on breaks, but he is the ONLY one up there questioning her. There are going to be things that slip by him. I still think he is doing a pretty decent job of bringing out the real Jodi, showing her for what she is, and working on proving all the lies she has told on the stand.

Agree.

[M Joy]

video was played on HNL over the weekend, Nurmi brought it up in court first thing today, Judge asked him if he wanted it, he said yes and also for Dave not to watch any more of the trial

So it wasn't JM that said he wanted Dave for the rebuttal case? I thought I heard that... so now Dave has been added to the defense list because of this video that has emerged?

[MamaRuby]

ive been reading this forum for about a month and finally decided to join up. My life would not be complete without the recaps!! Thank you.

[Msmichie]

Dan Hall showing Travis with assault rifles is a bad move imo. Plus assualt rifles and hands pitsol aren't comparable at all.

I don't think so. this is Arizona.. most of the population owns guns.. even walks around with a gun strapped to their side. It's legal here. If Travis owned his own gun he wouldn't be borrowing one from his friends to go target shooting. People in Arizona also know that just because he shot a semi-auto doesn't mean he would own a measly .25. Especially since they found no bullets or gun case in his house. Travis was meticulous about things.. you can tell from his closet alone. He liked things to be a certain way. It seems to me he wouldn't have had a gun just sitting on a shelf with one little bullet in it. He appeared in that video to be a man's man. If he had one for protection or to go target shooting with, he would have had ammo to go with it and it wouldn't have been a pea shooter.
Most men here have 9mm's.

[M Joy]

I bet Nurmi wishes he could subpena God

[bermstalker]

So it wasn't JM that said he wanted Dave for the rebuttal case? I thought I heard that... so now Dave has been added to the defense list because of this video that has emerged?

Nobody really wants Dave. Dave just has the shooting video and the def. wants that. Dave has to submit it to the court today.

When asked if either side wanted to call Dave-neither had plans, but just in case, the judge instructed Dave to leave the court and not to watch any more media coverage.

[Schpadoinkle]

Mehhh. I don't think Martinez is doing that great of a job. I feel like he could do better.

Mr. Mike, you won't be happy til JM grabs her by her raggedy ass hair, pulls her out of her seat, drags her out into the street bringing everyone with them, berates her publicly, then pees on her....

We all feel the same way

[M Joy]

Their behaviour's pathetic, considering the nature of this trial. Both Wilmott and Nurmi have had the 'proud parent' look about them a few times when they thought their girl got one over Juan, fools.

I'm still wondering if anyone caught the DT turning round sharply towards the gallery behind them at one point, as if someone called out. Anyone?

I never heard anyone call out. I might have missed it though. Sorry

[IMHO]

Let's keep in mind, JM is ONE person. He is not going to catch everything. I hope he has people watching this for him and giving him hints/slip ups/pointers on breaks, but he is the ONLY one up there questioning her. There are going to be things that slip by him. I still think he is doing a pretty decent job of bringing out the real Jodi, showing her for what she is, and working on proving all the lies she has told on the stand.

Maybe he reviews the court transcript.

[elamir]

So it wasn't JM that said he wanted Dave for the rebuttal case? I thought I heard that... so now Dave has been added to the defense list because of this video that has emerged?

No, it was Nurmi first from what I saw who wanted the video, judge said he could have it, Juan said something about using Dave in his rebuttal case and then Nurmi said he didn't want Dave watching anymore of the trial. I think that's the way it went down. Will have to watch it again later.

[***JiLL***]

No more Dave on Nancy Grace or JVM

[Msmichie]

JM has his work cut out for him that's for sure...

Not because she is brilliant, but because she is SO deceptive that she is even lying to herself about her own words at this point. His is asking every minute question because he needs to prove she is a liar... about everything... therefore how can anyone possibly believe her about the bigger shit, too. If he is spending this much time on the small shit, I wonder how much time he'll spend on the bigger issues (abuse, pedo, stabbing, etc)

I almost think he needs to show her in the lies, but I also think he's trying to throw her off her game. Keeping her guessing what he's going to ask. He's not an idiot. Wendi Andriano tried to pull the same kind of shit on the stand. He nailed her ass to the wall too and she's now on death row. He's good at what he does. This isn't a Florida jury we are talking about in this case. From that the Webbsleuth posters that are in court are saying he's making lots of points with the jury. They have been laughing at Jodi and her BS. I think he knows his audience and won't screw this up. He's fighting for Travis.

It's not that bad... He is testifying that Travis didn't have weapons, abd would borrow his when they all went shooting. If you own guns, you take at least some of them when you go. If you own ONE, you would take that ONE. Instead he would borrow friends... I actually wonder if somewhere on that video it shows Travis saying he doesn't have any... now THAT would be great.

I hope so, but I also think that Dave Hall is credible and that the jury will believe him. He's been on HLN quite a bit since this trial started. He wants justice. He wouldn't give them a tape that would hurt the state's case. At least I don't think he would. He wants Jodi to fry. He was in Utah when she showed up after killing Travis. He saw how she acted.

He showed the video on HLN to show that Travis was gun-knowledgeable and also discussed how he was with Travis a week before he was killed. He said that if Travis had purchased a handgun, he would have told Dave about it. His point also was that Travis would not have owned that caliber of gun either.

I'm not worried about the video or his testimony at all...

Me either!! I think it will help because Juan can reiterate that Jodi's grandparents are the one missing that caliber of weapon. Travis didn't own one.

And it should also prove that Travis knew enough about guns that he wouldn't try to "tackle" someone who is pointing one at him.

That's a good point too. I think it will help Juan in the long run.

[Crazy Lady]

Exactly. I think the video and Dave's testimony will help the prosecution, not the Defense.

It absolutely helps the prosecution. I think he will be a strong rebuttal witness.

but like you said, the jury hasn't seen it (or shouldn't have). It just looks too desparate to me and gives Nurmi ammo to get into assault rifles BS. aka could be more damage than good.

Whatever Nurmi claims, the prosecution will show the truth behind the video. It will blow up in Nurmi's face if he tries to blame Travis or say he has a propensity for violence, when he is the victim. That is ridiculous. Jodi shot Travis, she didn't have a mark on her other than the cut. IMO, Nurmi will be making a huge mistake if he goes there.

[aaronsmommy]

I totally agree, I just know how slimy the defense is and I know what I said is a point my mom brought up to me. She follows the case by what HLN says pretty much.

HLN is trippy. LOL. I'm going off of personal knowledge here... one does not simply own a gun with one round of ammo in it, and nothing else. There would have been SOMETHING else in his house to show ownership. And I'm with Bermy... I cannot see Travis owning a black market gun, defense would have found out about a purchase between friends, and there are no records showing a legal purchase by him.

Not arguing with you, specifically... just to the defense's claims that it was his. I call bullshit. She just doesn't want premeditation shown... which is also why she's arguing it was a last minute trip (minus the fact that she brought CD's specifically to give to Travis). She didn't dye her hair (yet recent pictures show her with WAY lighter [maybe not platinum blonde] hair then when she shows up on the nudey pictures). I also find it funny that she has receipts for EVERYTHING on that trip minus AZ stuff) except there was NO reciept for her manicure... probably because it had more than just a mani on it!

[M Joy]

Nobody really wants Dave. Dave just has the shooting video and the def. wants that. Dave has to submit it to the court today.

When asked if either side wanted to call Dave-neither had plans, but just in case, the judge instructed Dave to leave the court and not to watch any more media coverage.

Right. But if the def wants the video and has to have dave because of that, JM can ask questions that explain the video and how Dave feels about Travis' gun ownership, etc. He can say exactly what he said on HLN

[wasthinking]

I don't think so. this is Arizona.. most of the population owns guns.. even walks around with a gun strapped to their side. It's legal here. If Travis owned his own gun he wouldn't be borrowing one from his friends to go target shooting. People in Arizona also know that just because he shot a semi-auto doesn't mean he would own a measly .25. Especially since they found no bullets or gun case in his house. Travis was meticulous about things.. you can tell from his closet alone. He liked things to be a certain way. It seems to me he wouldn't have had a gun just sitting on a shelf with one little bullet in it. He appeared in that video to be a man's man. If he had one for protection or to go target shooting with, he would have had ammo to go with it and it wouldn't have been a pea shooter.
Most men here have 9mm's.

I'm going to cling to the fact there was no ammunition found in the house and hope the ammo they found in at Jodi's family's is the same Winchester 25.

[Schpadoinkle]

I caught that. I wonder if since their little plan with the magazine was caught, she doesn't know what he has been threatened with. She HOPES he doesn't turn on her, but charged with as an accessory after the fact, or whatever crime, she doesn't know if he'll continue with the plan.

He's involved, not to the "Ron" level of involved, but he's involved. Weasels like him are rarely directly involved.

[elamir]

Nobody really wants Dave. Dave just has the shooting video and the def. wants that. Dave has to submit it to the court today.

When asked if either side wanted to call Dave-neither had plans, but just in case, the judge instructed Dave to leave the court and not to watch any more media coverage.

your last bit isn't correct, Juan said he would call Dave to testify in his rebuttal that Travis didn't own a gun, that's when Nurmi said he didn't want him watching the trial anymore.

[Mayhem]

The one thing she said that cracked me up "He is full of crap if he said he went near my vaginal area." Like her vag is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Come on Jodi, half of guys out west have been near your vag.

LOL Yep she's pretty protective of the puss

[Msmichie]

JM has his work cut out for him that's for sure...

Not because she is brilliant, but because she is SO deceptive that she is even lying to herself about her own words at this point. His is asking every minute question because he needs to prove she is a liar... about everything... therefore how can anyone possibly believe her about the bigger shit, too. If he is spending this much time on the small shit, I wonder how much time he'll spend on the bigger issues (abuse, pedo, stabbing, etc)

I just think all Juan has to do is remind the jury of Jodi's grandparents gun being stolen and how it's the same caliber. No way a guy is going to own a .25 if he's shot a semi-auto rifle. And he for sure isn't going to not have ANY ammo in the house where the gun is kept.

It's not that bad... He is testifying that Travis didn't have weapons, abd would borrow his when they all went shooting. If you own guns, you take at least some of them when you go. If you own ONE, you would take that ONE. Instead he would borrow friends... I actually wonder if somewhere on that video it shows Travis saying he doesn't have any... now THAT would be great.

He showed the video on HLN to show that Travis was gun-knowledgeable and also discussed how he was with Travis a week before he was killed. He said that if Travis had purchased a handgun, he would have told Dave about it. His point also was that Travis would not have owned that caliber of gun either.

I'm not worried about the video or his testimony at all...

I'm not sure how I feel about Dan testifying. I know he will say that Travis didn't own a gun, but by all accounts a .25 is a "girly" gun which no one would bring to a shooting range anyways so the defense could argue that if Trav owned one, he wouldn't tell Dan about it.

[MamaRuby]

If I recall correctly, in one of the explcicit photos, Jodi was bent over nude. Her hand can be seen on her ass cheek. I cannot find the pic again. Can anyone tell me if her nails were even actually manicured?