Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Ian 1]

I grew up with many of my Mormon friends (and other Christian friends) using the term courting. My circles overlapped with Travis', so maybe that was a regional trend? Common in religious kids at the least.

That's all true. But Jodi Arias wasn't one of those people. To her, the use of the word 'courting' was just another affectation she picked up. The deceptive skank takes on protective coloring.

Now, Good Night.

[Shahoolie11]

I don't think Jodi is going to have any major melt-down on cross. There are too many breaks each day, a long lunch, and the entire day in court is only from 10:30-4:30pm, so I think she has lots of time to compose herself.

She will continue to do what she did on Thursday- argue about each and every word Juan uses, try to answer neither yes nor no when possible, and then pause while she tries to figure out the right answer.

I also think that the major impact from Juan will be when he does his final summary of the case and pulls all the little details that emerge on cross together.

I don't think there will be a lot of "aha" Law & Order type moments when she is on the stand.

Ah, yeah you're so right....it's not like this is interrogation day part 3, where she just has to sit there and sit there and talk...and get worn out.
I hate that she gets to have breaks. Give her a cup of water and some bread while she's on the stand, strapped in. Make her sit in that same chair all day, while everyone else is out to lunch or at recess. LOL! I'm obviously getting sleepy...and I start to get cranky, and I'm taking it out on shitbag Arias. Thank you for the prediction!

[Shahoolie11]

Thanks , you are too kind. You all ready for the trial to start back up? I hate getting into stuff too much!

SOooOooOoo ready!!!! I do hope something quite juicy happens during trial tomorrow!!!

[NCBlonde]

Can someone explain the difference in priveleges for prisoners on death row and those who are serving LWOP?
And how long average does an inmate currently on death row in AZ serve before his/her actual sentence is carried out? When was the last time anyone in AZ executed? I could just google it but I figure one of you would probably already know.

Also, I have seen in other trial juries being taken to the actual crime scene, it seems as though that would be very effective in this case. If the jury could see what a small area this actually is, how Travis was basically boxed in with no way to either escape or fight back. They would also be able to visualize the closet and how ridiculous her leap to the top to grab a gun fire it after being body slammed on a tile floor and magically leaping up like an action hero in yet another movie in her own mind. And it needs to keep be stressed over and over how the time frame for all of this was minutes.
The photo of his closet does show something green towards the back, can anyone tell what that is?

I don't know anything about the privileges they have. I did read the other day at anti-deathpenalty.com that the average time on death row is 14 years.

I'm not sure about the jury traveling to the crime scene, but I bet the defense would fight that like crazy.

[Jem]

I don't think Jodi is going to have any major melt-down on cross. There are too many breaks each day, a long lunch, and the entire day in court is only from 10:30-4:30pm, so I think she has lots of time to compose herself.

She will continue to do what she did on Thursday- argue about each and every word Juan uses, try to answer neither yes nor no when possible, and then pause while she tries to figure out the right answer.

I also think that the major impact from Juan will be when he does his final summary of the case and pulls all the little details that emerge on cross together.

I don't think there will be a lot of "aha" Law & Order type moments when she is on the stand.

I agree. She's calculated enough to not blow up on the stand. Instead she's acting like a pissy teenager by evading questions, back chatting, smirking and sneering. Her reactions are completely telling of who she is and no jury is going to overlook the fact she doesn't actually answer most of the questions she's asked. Instead she re-directs, going off on a tangent hoping noone will realise.

[Rachael123]

"I want to believe that all jurors see through her lies, but there is likely going to be someone who puts themselves in her place -- maybe through their own abusive relationship -- and spins the reality to fit Jodi's claim. So, it's important to knock that all down upfront, imo."Amen.I just want to add that I really like this forum.It's not all touchy feely but raw truth.I'm glad I join.[QUOTE=NCBlonde;3332279]I do think that she parked elsewhere, down the block or something. As you said, Enrique would've noted that there was an unfamiliar car in the driveway when he left for work that morning, if she had parked where she normally did. As far as I know, he never mentioned the rental car in the driveway.

As for being in wet clothing and going to the laundry room, she could have brought some dry clothes back in, or maybe she had left some clothes at Travis' or she could have even went to his dresser and removed some sweats or something. I do believe she gathered her clothing up and threw it onto the car floor, leaving the "kool-aid" stains on the floor.






Interesting. I didn't think there was one. Thanks for the verification!

From the diagram posted earlier, it's not that far away from the sink or shower, so makes sense if water would've flowed that way.




My problem with this is, would she know how to clear a jammed gun? I'm thinking probably not. So either she got off one shot, then it jammed, or she did shoot him last.




Martinez definitely has to break down and expose those lies and slanders against Travis. Otherwise, you may have a juror (or jurors) who will think that what she did was terrible, but also still believe that Travis was a terrible, abusive person. No one is going to believe self-defense or anything of that sort, but I think that maybe 1 or 2 jurors might believe -- if they believe Travis was a sex fiend/pedo -- that he was subjecting Jodi to abuse and that she just snapped and killed him after too much abuse.

I want to believe that all jurors see through her lies, but there is likely going to be someone who puts themselves in her place -- maybe through their own abusive relationship -- and spins the reality to fit Jodi's claim. So, it's important to knock that all down upfront, imo.

[dianalyn]

I don't know anything about the privileges they have. I did read the other day at anti-deathpenalty.com that the average time on death row is 14 years.

I'm not sure about the jury traveling to the crime scene, but I bet the defense would fight that like crazy.

must spread some rep before giving to NC Blonde blah blah- I did not know I was such a whore already :)

[Rockabillychick]

TO ALL THE LOVELY MEMBERS OF MDS:
What do you think this week will bring us... Do you think the predictions are true, that Jodi will be meeker acting tomorrow, lose most of that shitty smugness (courtesy of her defense team coaching her sorry ass over the weekend)?? Or do you think she's still got a fire under her ass for Juan...and will challenge him to the end? Do you think there will be waves of arrogance from her, with waves of apologetic, teary testimony? I guess we'll all find out tomorrow, I'm just curious about the predictions in here. You have all been spot on, this entire trial! you all!

Prediction.

I think that she is going to continue being a snarky, smug, wiseass even though her DT has probably been telling her to cut it out. Although I love the look when she is painted in a corner. I wish there was more time for him to finish the point on "getting someone to lie for her"before the end of day. I don't like that she had the 3 days to sit and come up with a story for it. We all know she is going to spin some bullshit.

I think that Juan is going to methodically expose her lies. I know some people are kind of like but he knows what he is doing. He knows who and what he is dealing with. I agree that the coup de grace is going to be in closing statement.

[Msmichie]

Can someone explain the difference in priveleges for prisoners on death row and those who are serving LWOP?
And how long average does an inmate currently on death row in AZ serve before his/her actual sentence is carried out? When was the last time anyone in AZ executed? I could just google it but I figure one of you would probably already know.

Also, I have seen in other trial juries being taken to the actual crime scene, it seems as though that would be very effective in this case. If the jury could see what a small area this actually is, how Travis was basically boxed in with no way to either escape or fight back. They would also be able to visualize the closet and how ridiculous her leap to the top to grab a gun fire it after being body slammed on a tile floor and magically leaping up like an action hero in yet another movie in her own mind. And it needs to keep be stressed over and over how the time frame for all of this was minutes.
The photo of his closet does show something green towards the back, can anyone tell what that is?

There are 123 people on death row right now. 3 are women. Looks like the one who has been there the longest is:
Steven James inmate # 046150

On November 16, 1981, Juan Maya picked up 14-year-old Marty Norton and made homosexual advances towards him. Norton rebuffed Maya, but suggested that he might find a more hospitable reception in a trailer belonging to James. When Maya followed Norton into the trailer, James, Lawrence Libberton, and Norton took turns beating him. The three then forced Maya into the back seat of his own car and drove toward Salome, where James' parents owned some property with an abandoned mine shaft on it. En route, a police officer stopped them but Libberton threatened to kill Maya if he attempted to draw the officer's attention. After arriving at the Salome property around dawn, James ordered Maya to step up to the mine shaft. As Maya pleaded for his life, James fired directly at him from a distance of less than 5 feet. Maya charged James and tried to get the gun, so Libberton and Norton began striking Maya with large rocks and a board. After Maya fell to the ground, they fired point blank at him three more times. Nothing came out of the pistol because the barrel was fouled with debris. They then dragged Maya to the mine shaft and threw him in, dropping rocks and railroad ties on top of him. Norton pled to several charges as a juvenile and testified against Libberton and James.

The website is down so I can't tell you how many are scheduled, although I posted once before and I think only 3 were executed last year and 6 the year before. I posted something about how I wish Arizona would have an express lane like Texas but got smited for it because of the innocent people who can and sometimes are executed.

[ImBatman!]

Just an aside...this book is really good Without Conscience by Robert Hare.

[Justice11]

I don't think Jodi is going to have any major melt-down on cross. There are too many breaks each day, a long lunch, and the entire day in court is only from 10:30-4:30pm, so I think she has lots of time to compose herself.

She will continue to do what she did on Thursday- argue about each and every word Juan uses, try to answer neither yes nor no when possible, and then pause while she tries to figure out the right answer.

I also think that the major impact from Juan will be when he does his final summary of the case and pulls all the little details that emerge on cross together.

I don't think there will be a lot of "aha" Law & Order type moments when she is on the stand.

Very much agree.

[wasthinking]

I agree Rachael123....because:
1.) Like you said, the shower door is open, there is no reason anyone would take a full shower in a stall withthe glass door open.
2.) Take a look at the very first picture snapped, his fingers and hands are interlocked, straight back, staring straight ahead, with eyes open, and almost a look of annoyance (get this over with) on his face. That was one of the few photos that has a flash. maybe if he was turned away or eyes closed tightly for the whole thing, he may not notice a flash, but out of his peripheral vision, he most definitely would've seen the flash in Photo # 1.

My man has the same exact camera as Travis had, and we tested it out, I got in the shower stall, with the door open, and had him taking photos with the flash and without, and even with my back turned, I could here the shutter clicking/snapping with each photo taken, even over the sound of the water splashing in my ears and on my head.

Soooo....IMHO, while the photoshoot may have been for a different motivation for her at the time, the photoshoot itself, was no secret. Maybe he just went along with it since it was on HIS camera and he could delete them after she left...and he wanted to appease her wishes to get her the fuck out of his house already!!!

Picture 5:25:00 definately has water spots. And the biggest tell tale to me with it is not one pictures is any good. She couldn't get one right eevn though she is experienced photog? With the exception of the vunerable sitting down one.

[Msmichie]

I think Jodi will spend most of her time on the stand trying to prove what she already knows.. she is smarter than Juan and everyone else in the courtroom, including her attorney's. I think they will talk to her and try to get her to mellow out and not react that she will tell them she will but then revert to her true self. I don't think she can hide it. She thinks this is all about her and that she did nothing wrong. Travis got what he deserved and she thinks that everyone in that court knows it except for Travis' family and the damn prosecutor. I think in her mind she keeps thinking.. "I'm smarter than everyone and I am sooo gonna get off. Everyone is going to believe me."

[Schpadoinkle]

Here is my 2 cents about Thursday and what's to come. don't worry, I expect some change back. JM purposely drew the line in the sand and was making her qualify her statements. He had to set the precedence that there was no bullying him or get any caudling from him. It was also the perfect opportunity to bring the testimony back home and to some sense of grounded reality in comparison to the 8 days of bullshit 'n' spice & nothing too nice. JM was looking to establish a baseline from Jodi. The jury and the world saw a side of her they never saw before and any discerning individual will clearly see what venom JM drew from her is the real jodi as the cobra's hood starts to flare. This is what travis was met with whenever he tried to make sense and reason with her. Some may think he might ease off in the week. I spoke with one of my mentors and she said it seemed like he was badgering her. But I think he is truly being selective, because he has MORE EVIDENCE that will come out. People are frustrated. JM must echo that frustration. The jury will resonate with truth. Jm is gonna bring everything sharply into focus and clear away the cobwebs which Jodi has woven and she will now be seen as entangled in her own lies. I'm gonna get my snacks, and get ready for what's to come because JM is nowhere near finished. I got a feeling some amazing evidence is gonna be shared, not to mention what we have already seen, with the fucking coded messages. Valentine's day is over, I see Spring cleaning just around the corner!

[wasthinking]

I think Jodi will spend most of her time on the stand trying to prove what she already knows.. she is smarter than Juan and everyone else in the courtroom, including her attorney's. I think they will talk to her and try to get her to mellow out and not react that she will tell them she will but then revert to her true self. I don't think she can hide it. She thinks this is all about her and that she did nothing wrong. Travis got what he deserved and she thinks that everyone in that court knows it except for Travis' family and the damn prosecutor. I think in her mind she keeps thinking.. "I'm smarter than everyone and I am sooo gonna get off. Everyone is going to believe me."

And her fan club ... the inmates who were also caught in their crimes, back slapping her like they are all smart

[wasthinking]

The main thing that fucks up her claim of self-defense is the overkill, which in this case includes stabs to the BACK!!!!!

I don't see how any juror in their right mind could get tripped up on that aspect.

I pray to God that she gets sent to prison. I don't really care if its LWOP or DP. I am personally against the DP, one reason is that the criminal gets so many appeals and it just drags the victim's family through all that crap over and over again for years.

I just want her to go away and be forgotten about.

I think of it this way, if Travis was my loved one, I'd would never give up fighting for punishment of his killer no matter how many years. DP or not, loved ones suffer. It is not something that ever goes away imo. But, there are families fighting assholes paroles for years that didn't get the death penalty too. Or those that due to some technical error had their sentence changed. Our law is complicated and murder is never easily suffered by family. Some people chose to fight for their relatives loss their whole life showing up at hearings to make sure some creep stays behind bars. Some feel they need to give up and leave it behind them etc. It's never easy and every case is different.

[nerdmiga]

And her fan club ... the inmates who were also caught in their crimes, back slapping her like they are all smart

Seriously! Like when they interviewed Ann Campbell and Donovan Bering... I'm sorry, you met her in jail. Your credibility is shot with me. Everyone in jail says they didn't do it.

[ImBatman!]

I haven't given up on the death penalty in this case and I realize that LWOP may have to suffice. Juries are unpredictable.

[Jinkasaurus]

Anyone have any guess how much longer the trial will last?

[hamdinger125]

Prediction.

I think that she is going to continue being a snarky, smug, wiseass even though her DT has probably been telling her to cut it out.

This. She can't stop being who she is.

[wasthinking]

Juan fell into too her traps with senseless over debating a few times. I think he did good over all, but there were times he gets tongue tied stuttering, mispronouncing etc like she's getting to him.
Although he is more lively than Nurmi, there were actually a few times I thought omg, so make your damn point and move on. I saw this tendency in his CIC also. But then he shocked everyone and rested so fast we'll see if he isn't all that great after all and it is just that this liar is such a bad act, she's convicting herself for the most part.

One more cut story from her. We'll have to see if Martinez is done with that topic, but I don't recall him using her own testimony to zero in on this one. If cut 'badly' at work, even giving an exact date, would't there be some formal reports of injuries in Arizona regulations or something?

cut myself downstairs before we woke up before we went to bed cut on glass. when I had pulled over in the car and there was blood on my had it had reopened wasn?t deep but bleeding a little bit.

did you formulate an excuse in Utah
ya I think I said I cut myself (she stops)
week before I had cut myself badly at work so I think I said, oh I?m a bartender I cut myself, it was actually June 1

[Jinkasaurus]

Frankly, despite all of his experience, I really feel for Juan in this case.

This crazy bitch has spewed so much nonsense for so long that I think ANYONE would struggle to keep up with the all of the millions of details she has thrown out there.

I agree that he did get tongue-tied a few times. I found myself thinking, "juan, just slow down a bit, take a deep breath, give himself a moment to clarify his own thoughts."

But I understand that this is his style and he may not want to slow down because he needs to keep two steps ahead of her at all times.

[Msmichie]

And her fan club ... the inmates who were also caught in their crimes, back slapping her like they are all smart

That is something I don't understand.. how these people she is incarcerated with can believe her cock and bull story. They all held up signs saying "free Jodi." How mentally unstable they are. They must be. One look in her eyes and you can see the emptiness and cold within. She has been telling the story of his abuse to them and each one believed it. Hook, line and sinker. One has to wonder if that is for their own self preservation or if they are that stupid.

I don't ever want her to get out and hurt anyone else. I want Travis' family to find some peace that while they lost this man who was so great, kind and wonderful in their world, the person responsible will NEVER see the light of day again. This is what I pray for.

[Bas Rutten]

Cannot believe I've finally caught up. I think the weekend helped me to say the least. Theres a picture I saw maybe 2 years ago that I was more than surprised not to see posted here. IMO, the people from MDS seem to find any and everything regarding this case. I guess this will be my input. Btw: ****NSFW****

[wasthinking]

Frankly, despite all of his experience, I really feel for Juan in this case.

This crazy bitch has spewed so much nonsense for so long that I think ANYONE would struggle to keep up with the all of the millions of details she has thrown out there.

I agree that he did get tongue-tied a few times. I found myself thinking, "juan, just slow down a bit, take a deep breath, give himself a moment to clarify his own thoughts."

But I understand that this is his style and he may not want to slow down because he needs to keep two steps ahead of her at all times.

That is my point though, I don't think it is her at all. With his decades of experience, he is used to these liars. However, if you review his cross exams these same things are there so I know it isn't her but HIS traits. I think it may be his mind is so fast, he can't slow it down and his own mouth can't keep up with his thoughts. It would be far more effective if he could. He doesn't need to be two steps ahead of her, he has the lead just by the nature of procedure, its his turn.