Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Harlette]

huh? some one type in the middle of my post.

oops - i hope her jailors bring up the part where they forced her to give the interview when she gets "home" tonight

[CreepyGus]

A definition of premeditation:

“Killing with premeditation” is killing after consciously deciding to do so. The decision must be present in the mind at the time of the killing. The law does not fix the exact period of time that must pass between the formation of the premeditated intent to kill and the killing. The period of time must be long enough to allow reflection by the defendant. The premeditated intent to kill must be formed before the killing.

[NCBlonde]

A pundit on HLN made a great point today. He noted, memorialized by crime scene photos, that the always immaculately organized walk-in closet was found to be in pristene condition post crime, without a shoe or sock out of place. This after a frantic Jodi, fleeing for her life from an enraged Travis, scrambled to the top shelf of the closet to retrieve the gun she *instantly* recalled was tucked up on the top shelf. Never mind that she told Flores she knew for sure that Travis did not own a gun. He also noted that Jodi claims to have never shot a gun. Was the safety on? Did she know how to disengage it? Was a bullet in it? According to police report, no gun, NO ammunition, were found in the home.

Well, of course, Travis obviously kept an underpowered gun with no ammo, for protection..

[NCBlonde]

I think she initially planned to try to control him with the threat of blackmail. That's the reason she taped the phone sex. When he called her out on being psycho crazy, he hurt her to the core and he was discarding her. She can't take being alone and she hasn't got a newer model boyfriend yet. That's when she began to fantasize about killing him. Her fantasy took over her thinking. This trip was his last chance to be her real boyfriend and prove it to her by taking her to cancun as a girlfriend. I really think she used the duct tape to tape the knife and gun under the sink where it would be handy and not seen. Her fantasy guides her actions

This chick obviously can't be alone for 5 minutes. She was already lining up her next "relationship" with Ryan while she planning to murder Travis.

It's probably killing her, being locked up for 5 years with no access to a penis.

[Defy Gravity]

A pundit on HLN made a great point today. He noted, memorialized by crime scene photos, that the always immaculately organized walk-in closet was found to be in pristene condition post crime, without a shoe or sock out of place. This after a frantic Jodi, fleeing for her life from an enraged Travis, scrambled to the top shelf of the closet to retrieve the gun she *instantly* recalled was tucked up on the top shelf. Never mind that she told Flores she knew for sure that Travis did not own a gun. He also noted that Jodi claims to have never shot a gun. Was the safety on? Did she know how to disengage it? Was a bullet in it? According to police report, no gun, NO ammunition, were found in the home.

Not to mention, how did she reach it? She said she found it by standing on a chair. His ceilings look rather high.

I was on the fence off and on re: if he abused her. After her story about how it all happened I'm off the fence. She plotted this out.

[Harlette]

I didn't know that! Can you give an example?

i remember that martinez was talking about this during one of the mistrial hearings - after the first stab, and she didn't stop that it was premeditated and felony murder - i'm not sure how all that works though - but the judge sided w/ him, so he must have been right

[wasthinking]

still think it was premeditated. why else would she save the phone call/emails/texts. if you were done with someone, in every way, why would you save all that shit? i'm not sure that she was upset about the cancun trip. i think she went there trying to settle the debt for the car with travis, and he wouldn't have it. i don't buy any of her abuse claims.
either way, she did seal her fate today admitting she took the gun from travis' house... felony murder... consider the goose cooked.

As far back as the move imo.
She was homeless, a loser and penniless. Then April 6, msg, Travis tells her she's a sociopath, the worst thing that every happened to him and... he was going to OUT her.
Follow that with PAY ME.
She was and is hell bent on revenge. Killing him didn't even calm her hate and rage.

[smurfy]

This chick obviously can't be alone for 5 minutes. She was already lining up her next "relationship" with Ryan while she planning to murder Travis.

It's probably killing her, being locked up for 5 years with no access to a penis.

Oh my gosh... I just felt sympathy for her!! I didnt think it was possible.. but I totally did!!!!

[Schpadoinkle]

This chick obviously can't be alone for 5 minutes. She was already lining up her next "relationship" with Ryan while she planning to murder Travis.

It's probably killing her, being locked up for 5 years with no access to a penis.

She's got a girfriend, she may be allowed congigals, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of the guards was showing her his nightstick during showertime for some free soap he would drop from bed bath and beyond.

[marycontrary]

I really would like to hear from Chris and Skye Hughes about the bullshit that she was telling them. She was trying to get other people involved in her attempts to control him. I'm sure she is every attorneys nightmare. Her defense was all hers...poor Nurmi probably told her this was all a bad idea, but she is smarter than the professionals you know. His efforts to defend her seem to lack enthusiasm. I kept expecting him to blow his nose on his tie. His mannerisms bug me

[sheesh]

Has anyone elses opinions changed or do you still think she planned the trip to kill him in the first place?

I think she planned it beforehand even more than before.

I expected better testimony from her about the crime.

The fact that every piece of evidence that could impeach or support her story has disappeared into the desert just reinforces her guilt.

Miss Recall-Every-Tiny-Little-Detail all of a sudden has a memory lapse for her post murder charades???

And all of the bizarre rent-a-car & gas can shenanigans?

And continuing on to meet the guy in Utah and making out with him??

She remembers every bit of how she killed him -- and she relishes those memories.

He threw her away like a "used piece of toilet paper" and she'd had enough!

I'll show you, you son-of-a-bitch! Your life means a hell of a lot more to you than mine does to me!

[Still Ticking]

A definition of premeditation:

“Killing with premeditation” is killing after consciously deciding to do so. The decision must be present in the mind at the time of the killing. The law does not fix the exact period of time that must pass between the formation of the premeditated intent to kill and the killing. The period of time must be long enough to allow reflection by the defendant. The premeditated intent to kill must be formed before the killing.

Thank you. That could be sticky to determine with a rage killing?

i remember that martinez was talking about this during one of the mistrial hearings - after the first stab, and she didn't stop that it was premeditated and felony murder - i'm not sure how all that works though - but the judge sided w/ him, so he must have been right

Thank you Harlette Not only did you answer my question, you bolstered my confidence in JM. I am sooooo looking forward to watching the ninja chi chi shake on the stand under his questioning

[wasthinking]

oops - i hope her jailors bring up the part where they forced her to give the interview when she gets "home" tonight

oh, got it now. lol I hope there are still unethical officers that spit in inmates dinners.
The dinners she gets in suicidal solitary after admitting she wants to die and takes her razor apart. Facing Juan after losing your Advil rights, ouch.

[CreepyGus]

If Travis is in the shower, and Jodi pulls out a gun, and Jodi decides she is going to kill Travis, and she then shoots Travis..that fits all of the points needed to prove premeditation.

Having said that, there is still so much more that is there, bringing the gun, the planning for gas cans, and "disappearing" for so many hours, that totally shows premeditation.

[I doubt it]

Is that snowstorm near the courthouse?

[Dee Stress]

Yes, Nurmi said he had no further questions. The jury was dismissed, and the judge announced they were holding private court hearings and everyone was dismissed til tomorrow.

Nurmi is done questioning. Immediately after his announcement, the judge dismissed the jury and then told the audience that there would be a closed court proceeding for the rest of the day. She said court will return tomorrow at 1030, and told the council to meet in her chambers. Then they cut to the seal.

as soon as nurmi rested - the judge said she was holding a closed door hearing and asked all spectators to leave and court wold not start untill tomorrow

Thanks guys. I had two streams running, one on mute, but I didn't hear that or see JM with the family

whether or not she could remember every detail isn't really relevant at this point, they are just trying to prove that it wasn't premeditated and now it's more of a case of acting in the moment rather than even self defence. After hearing the whole story, I don't think it was premeditated. Has anyone elses opinions changed or do you still think she planned the trip to kill him in the first place?

Nope. I never really doubted it, but her story on T's non-existent gun and how she got it from a high shelf from his closet (which was freakishly undisturbed mind!) was total confirmation #1 for me. The knife she couldn't remember anything about, but 2 minutes later claimed she put in the dishwasher, #2. Getting SLAMMED on the tiles, then a jaunt to the closet for gun, shoot, stab 27 times, cut his throat, drag Travis back to the bathroom, put him in the shower, all in the time frame from the last pic of him alive to the dragging? #3-god knows. Nope, not possible. Premeditated, she brought the weapons with her, without a shadow of doubt. Well absolutely to me.

[NCBlonde]

Not to mention, how did she reach it? She said she found it by standing on a chair. His ceilings look rather high.

I was on the fence off and on re: if he abused her. After her story about how it all happened I'm off the fence. She plotted this out.

And where would she get a chair to stand on? Much less within seconds?

As I recall there were no chairs or stools or anything of the sort in Travis' room. He had a large upholstered chair and a huge ottoman. No folding chairs, no desk chairs, as his desk was downstairs, etc.

[wasthinking]

CHAPTER 11
2011 REVISION
COPYRIGHT  2011, STATE BAR OF ARIZONA 109
11.05 − First-Degree Premeditated Murder
The crime of first-degree premeditated murder requires proof that the defendant:
1. caused the death of another person; and
2. intended or knew that [he] [she] would cause the death of another person; and
3. acted with premeditation.
?Premeditation? means that the defendant intended to kill another human being or knew [he] [she] would kill another human being, and that after forming that intent or knowledge, reflected on the decision before killing. It is this reflection, regardless of the length of time in which it occurs, that distinguishes first-degree murder from second degree murder. An act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. [The time needed for reflection is not necessarily prolonged, and the space of time between the intent or knowledge to kill and the act of killing may be very short.]

[NCBlonde]

Personally, I like how Jodi sustained no wounds except the knife cuts to her fingers.

I mean, we're supposed to believe he physically assaulted her one time and broke her finger. But, now, she's supposedly being attacked by Travis -- who she claims flew into such a rage that she had to stab him 27 times, slit his throat and shoot him in the head in order to protect herself -- and sustained nothing? No broken bones, no bruises, no nothing.

[wasthinking]

And where would she get a chair to stand on? Much less within seconds?

As I recall there were no chairs or stools or anything of the sort in Travis' room. He had a large upholstered chair and a huge ottoman. No folding chairs, no desk chairs, as his desk was downstairs, etc.

She never claimed a chair Blonde. She said she climbed up the shelves.

[I doubt it]

Personally, I like how Jodi sustained no wounds except the knife cuts to her fingers.

I mean, we're supposed to believe he physically assaulted her one time and broke her finger. But, now, she's supposedly being attacked by Travis -- who she claims flew into such a rage that she had to stab him 27 times, slit his throat and shoot him in the head in order to protect herself -- and sustained nothing? No broken bones, no bruises, no nothing.

She wasn't arrested until a month later. Bruises would have healed by then.

Also, there was some sort of stool in the closet, that she had climbed up on.

[acertaingirl]

She never claimed a chair Blonde. She said she climbed up the shelves.

I thought she said she used a small stool/chair thingie that was in the closet?

[NCBlonde]

She never claimed a chair Blonde. She said she climbed up the shelves.

Oh, I didn't see the testimony and the person I quoted said that Jodi said she was standing on a chair?

[Kristinella]

Not wanting to be alone and engaging in these multiple relationships like Jodi is doing is a classic example of borderline personality.

[aliensauce]

Everything just seems to fit too perfectly, it's almost like it would be too hard to make up and make fit years and years after the fact. I know she has had a lot of time in her cell and do thinks she lied about somethings, but overall I think she is telling the truth as far as going over there and not planning to kill him.