Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[10pm]

i tell ya we need a pact - to destroy our hard drives

did you find anything?? i haven't except may be nambla

I want one of these.

[DenverClipper]

O/T but has this been discussed? It's an initial court filing where the state initially thought Travis was shot first.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...9/m3846408.pdf

Top of page two under the heading of cruelty - the state concluded he was shot first and then regained consciousness later. Interesting.

Sorry. Its not my intent to start the what came first argument again.

[Justice11]

Hello, I have been keeping up with this thread since 2008. I guess you could call me the largest lurker of them all. I find all of your postings informative and I do not mind that they make light sometimes of a really horrific death. Could one of you guys do me a favor? I saw the all the nude pictures of Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander. There was a link on one of the pages that I read but it would take me forever to find it again. I now have him addicted to the case now. I told him how gross she looks in them and her obvious private parts. Could anyone be nice enough to send me a link to them again?

Welcome!

[wasthinking]

yep according to what i see in the police report i don't think any one saw him on tues. night - but i keep wondering - finally catching up on the court youtubes - jodi kept saying she was giving travis pamphlets for his problem, but what kind of pamphlets were they and where did she get them?? were they suppose to be pamphlets on pedophilia?? i don't think i have ever seen those - and idk where she would have gotten them from??

She said Mental Health Services pamphlet.


For Justice11
I ran across EXHIBIT 1 while reviewing. It's a picture of the front of the house. Entered day 2 after the 45:50 mark when it is entered as Exhibit 1, then a long break, then Heather Connor ID's it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpcc37rmk4A

[Justice11]

O/T but has this been discussed? It's an initial court filing where the state initially thought Travis was shot first.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...9/m3846408.pdf

Top of page two under the heading of cruelty - the state concluded he was shot first and then regained consciousness later. Interesting.

Sorry. Its not my intent to start the what came first argument again.

Yes, I've seen this.
It was Flores who mistakenly believed that the gunshot came first. I think that is why the State thought so at this time as well. The ME who did the autopsy is the one who believes the gun shot came last.

The defense wanted to make a HUGE deal about this discrepancy, but the previous judge and this judge agreed that it does not matter. The act was still cruel in that Travis suffered so greatly while being murdered.

I too am NOT wanting to debate this again AT ALL!!!! I just wanted to answer Denver Clipper's question.

[Justice11]

She said Mental Health Services pamphlet.


For Justice11
I ran across EXHIBIT 1 while reviewing. It's a picture of the front of the house. Entered day 2 after the 45:50 mark when it is entered as Exhibit 1, then a long break, then Heather Connor ID's it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpcc37rmk4A

Thanks.

[Shahoolie11]

PLEASE FORGIVE THE GRAPHIC IMAGE!!!!

What is that other plastic thing in the shower stall???? I see the cup...but there's a straight, clear plastic thing behind it towards the back wall of the shower stall???

[Justice11]

PLEASE FORGIVE THE GRAPHIC IMAGE!!!!

What is that other plastic thing in the shower stall???? I see the cup...but there's a straight, clear plastic thing behind it towards the back wall of the shower stall???

The picture was taken after Travis' body was removed. I think the plastic thing you are referring to is actually an outline in blood. It is where the cup came to rest. Blood and water dripped down off of the cup and left the outline.

[wasthinking]

O/T but has this been discussed? It's an initial court filing where the state initially thought Travis was shot first.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...9/m3846408.pdf

Top of page two under the heading of cruelty - the state concluded he was shot first and then regained consciousness later. Interesting.

Sorry. Its not my intent to start the what came first argument again.

The who's on first gun shot topic is all over the internet being debated. lol It's what we do, turn everything over and over trying to make the puzzles pieces fit. NO human being is infallible, including MEs.

My #1 question is, WHERE is the Xray showing the bullet entry? Oh that's right, they haven't provided one.
Then you have an ME claiming the brain was liquid, only for the def to make him go oops, he was slicing it to section it, can't slice liquid.
Then he claims Travis would have been immediately down at one point. Then on cross he contradicts himself!

ME: I think I've said it here in court that I don't think it would immediately incapacitate him or kill him. But it would be a serious injury, but I don't recall telling Detective Flores that, no.

Defense: Ok, so, let me back up for a second, so you are saying the gunshot wound is not immediately incapacitating?

ME: I would say not immediately fatal

Defense: I'm not talking about fatal, I'm just talking about incapacitating

ME: I think...yes, it would be incapacitating, passing through his brain, so yes


Anyone that watched the Columbine slaughter knows you can be shot in the frontal lobe and react. There's a famous clip from that, 'Boy in the Window". Shot twice in the FRONTAL lobe and he crawled to and hung out the library window before SWAT team grabbed him down. http://vimeo.com/5416436

[wasthinking]

I hear ya on that....it is VERY odd that all she had was a slit/scratch on her left ring finger and some kind of bandage on her arm (when others were interviewed, they said it was dead summer in california and she had long sleeves on with bandages on her arm(s) ). It seems fairly crazy that she was able to completely overtake Travis all by herself, and do SUCH DAMAGE to him within a 4 minute window of time... Granted, he WAS in a seated position, in a wet/slick area, possibly being held and knife AND gunpoint... A couple of times I second guess THIS story too, and start to think there was possibly another person there, but then I retract that thought as well. Jodi is some kind of narcissistic/sociopathic individual...there is NO WAY she'd do this much time or lie to save another. It's all just unbelievable to me, that she carried this out so successfully with very little harm to herself. Weird. weird. weird. I wish she'd just spill the damn TRUTH so we all know what happened, but that's just a pipe dream.

I've never heard bandages on her arms. Ryan testified a small or two bandages on a finger or couple of fingers.
She was fingerprinted June 17 th so the cut she tried to make Flores find with a magnifying glass wasn't noticed or noted in the fingerprint guys testimony.
But, she has lots of gloves. :)

[Justice11]

Never mind. Not going there. Again.

ETA: I will say this:
An x ray shows bones and foreign objects. There is the x ray showing where the bullet ended up. They know where it started based on the autopsy. They can see on his face the entry wound. That is not something that shows up in an x ray. That is not how x rays even work. The best an x ray can do is show if a bullet broke through bone when entering a body. Not applicable here.

[wasthinking]

I know that this is bad, but is anyone having case withdrawals besides me??? I cannot wait until the case is back on again. Will there be court on Monday. I heard somewhere that it could be Tuesday, any news on that?

welcome
not me, it has been a good time to review a lot.

Last night I watched Day 18 again. She says before the sex tape they were online chatting and Travis was being so sweet she wanted to prolong that good feeling so that is why she went ahead with phone sex.
Not sure yet, reviewing vids still, but I could have sworn the day before after the tape was played, she testified they had been fighting online all day

[wasthinking]

That's make a lot of sense-not.
I guess they want to play more Bait Car, Lizard Lick Towing, south beach Tow, Wipeout, and all the Storage War shows.


I watched one of those killer shows yesterday. It was about the McCools. This tiny female dressed as a ninja, went into her mother's home in daylight, stabbed her many, many times-then slit her throat.
She started stabbing her mother in the back. Then she flipped her mother over and started stabbing her in the face. (so much so mom had no face left) Then she slit mom's throat from ear to ear-all the way down to the spinal cord.
The reason she said she slit the throat. Because she wanted to make damn sure her mother was dead and couldn't recover. She told cops that a rage went over her with the first stab wound. That's why she couldn't stop until all the rage was gone out of her body. The girl also told police when they arrested her that he husband helped (he did)

That's what I think happened to Jodi. If Jodi had help-any kind of help- she would have already talked.

Jodi, IMO, hated Travis. She was jealous of Travis. She hated Travis because she knew Travis didn't think Jodi was good enough for him. She was a great bumping buddy, but bad wife material.
Travis loved the sex with Jodi, but he hated the other stuff (like talking) with Jodi. She was about as boring as watching paint dry. She can't even form sentences without going into long details. She didn't just pick that up in court either. Listen to her on the sex tape.

I can tell that Jodi tries very hard to speak proper. She likes to use big words too. She does it to make herself sound very smart and educated. It's the rumbling on that ruins that illusion.

I agree she would be screaming see see, I never had wounds, they did it, I was just there. If she's willing to sit on stage to avoid the DP, offer a plea for 2nd degree, she surely would take the stage hoping to get only a few years accomplice charges.

Agree again! How dare Travis have a nice house when she's living in a box. What an ass, how come he deserves a fancy job! And all he gives me is a car he expects me to pay for when he knows I don't have a pot to piss in.

I think it is a testiment to Travis' kind heart and patience that he didn't strangle the bitch just to shut her mouth for five minutes.

[wasthinking]

Never mind. Not going there. Again.

ETA: I will say this:
An x ray shows bones and foreign objects. There is the x ray showing where the bullet ended up. They know where it started based on the autopsy. They can see on his face the entry wound. That is not something that shows up in an x ray. That is not how x rays even work. The best an x ray can do is show if a bullet broke through bone when entering a body. Not applicable here.

Sure it is, if as he wants to claim the bullet went through the brain then it had to go through the SKULL bone to get there. Funny how he doesn't present that xray and even more questionable is saying the lining that entirely covers the brain is INTACT. wow a magic bullet.

[wasthinking]

That's make a lot of sense-not.
I guess they want to play more Bait Car, Lizard Lick Towing, south beach Tow, Wipeout, and all the Storage War shows.


I watched one of those killer shows yesterday. It was about the McCools. This tiny female dressed as a ninja, went into her mother's home in daylight, stabbed her many, many times-then slit her throat.
She started stabbing her mother in the back. Then she flipped her mother over and started stabbing her in the face. (so much so mom had no face left) Then she slit mom's throat from ear to ear-all the way down to the spinal cord.
The reason she said she slit the throat. Because she wanted to make damn sure her mother was dead and couldn't recover. She told cops that a rage went over her with the first stab wound. That's why she couldn't stop until all the rage was gone out of her body. The girl also told police when they arrested her that he husband helped (he did)

That's what I think happened to Jodi. If Jodi had help-any kind of help- she would have already talked.

Jodi, IMO, hated Travis. She was jealous of Travis. She hated Travis because she knew Travis didn't think Jodi was good enough for him. She was a great bumping buddy, but bad wife material.
Travis loved the sex with Jodi, but he hated the other stuff (like talking) with Jodi. She was about as boring as watching paint dry. She can't even form sentences without going into long details. She didn't just pick that up in court either. Listen to her on the sex tape.

I can tell that Jodi tries very hard to speak proper. She likes to use big words too. She does it to make herself sound very smart and educated. It's the rumbling on that ruins that illusion.

Exactly, she's tried what, twice for a plea of second degree. She'd do anything and loves to blame others. For sure she'd have gone for see see I have not wounds, he she they did it.

Rage jealousy, yup. How dare he have a nice house while she's used up every person on the earth like a flop house and is forced to go home to a box. How dare he have a great job while she doesn't want to get out of bed after being up all night effing the football teams. How dare he have success when she's a loser. And imo, most of all ... how DARE people like him and his friends reject her! She'll make them all pay!!!

[Poppycock]

O/T but has this been discussed? It's an initial court filing where the state initially thought Travis was shot first.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...9/m3846408.pdf

Top of page two under the heading of cruelty - the state concluded he was shot first and then regained consciousness later. Interesting.

Sorry. Its not my intent to start the what came first argument again.

from Denver's link, it does show a discrepancy in what the pros believes happened now; this changed when she began the self-defense defense, because I remember hearing that the gun shot first supports that more than the gunshot later:

8-18-09 p. 2

The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near
his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not
fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain
unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence
in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the
victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.

The victim was then stabbed 27 times in the back, shoulders, head and chest. Cuts on the
hands were defensive wounds from grabbing the knife. With the exception of two wounds, these
wounds were not fatal. The two fatal wounds were a deep stab wound to the chest and then a cut
across the throat. While conscious, the victim would have felt pain and mental anguish associated
with these multiple wounds.

[Justice11]

Sure it is, if as he wants to claim the bullet went through the brain then it had to go through the SKULL bone to get there. Funny how he doesn't present that xray and even more questionable is saying the lining that entirely covers the brain is INTACT. wow a magic bullet.

So, you think the bullet didn't enter where the ME said it entered? You need additional x rays for proof? I'm confused.

You distrust the ME. I trust him. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I'm so DONE with this debate. Pease don't feel obligated to answer my questions. They are rhetorical.

[raisedbywolves]

This may have already been brought up and I missed it..if so, carry on and move along.

Regarding the Astroglide with Ester mentioned in the sex tape-I know a lot of people were searching for Ester-C or estrogen added to Astroglide and not really finding anything. )n a hunch I thought it might have been a joke so I googled 'lube with Ester' instead of Astroglide or KY. Turns out that most synthetic commercial grade lubes do have Ester in them...so maybe it was a joke like "I've been masturbating so much I had to use commercial grade lube"?... Kind of like the 50 gallon drum of lube on Amazon thing?

[raisedbywolves]

The picture was taken after Travis' body was removed. I think the plastic thing you are referring to is actually an outline in blood. It is where the cup came to rest. Blood and water dripped down off of the cup and left the outline.

I think that's exactly what it is...it seems to match up with the lines of the cup.

[Justice11]

This may have already been brought up and I missed it..if so, carry on and move along.

Regarding the Astroglide with Ester mentioned in the sex tape-I know a lot of people were searching for Ester-C or estrogen added to Astroglide and not really finding anything. )n a hunch I thought it might have been a joke so I googled 'lube with Ester' instead of Astroglide or KY. Turns out that most synthetic commercial grade lubes do have Ester in them...so maybe it was a joke like "I've been masturbating so much I had to use commercial grade lube"?... Kind of like the 50 gallon drum of lube on Amazon thing?

Interesting. It may have been that Jodi misunderstood Travis. More likely is that she is LYING once again to try to make it seem Travis had tons of anal sex with some mysterious "Esther." Also, who cares if he did? Doesn't change the FACT that she butchered Travis.

I can't wait for Tuesday. Nurmi better start wrapping things up, or I'm personally going to go to Phoenix and freak out on him!!!!

[wasthinking]

So, you think the bullet didn't enter where the ME said it entered? You need additional x rays for proof? I'm confused.

You distrust the ME. I trust him. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I'm so DONE with this debate. Pease don't feel obligated to answer my questions. They are rhetorical.

I don't feel obligated. For someone who is repeatedly "done" you keep replying to any post about it. I've said I don't trust the ME. I especially don't trust someone claiming to be a so called expert that talks out both sides of their mouth. i.e.Incapcitated, not incapcitate. Yes, since he can't keep his own claims straight, I'd love to see where he claims the bullet entered, broke THROUGH the skull to reach the brain to see how this magic bullet got there without breaking through the menengis. Maybe then I could solve Kennedy's magic bullet lol Which 'experts' can't agree on. ; )

[wasthinking]

This may have already been brought up and I missed it..if so, carry on and move along.

Regarding the Astroglide with Ester mentioned in the sex tape-I know a lot of people were searching for Ester-C or estrogen added to Astroglide and not really finding anything. )n a hunch I thought it might have been a joke so I googled 'lube with Ester' instead of Astroglide or KY. Turns out that most synthetic commercial grade lubes do have Ester in them...so maybe it was a joke like "I've been masturbating so much I had to use commercial grade lube"?... Kind of like the 50 gallon drum of lube on Amazon thing?

but,. the liar said Esther "she" had brought it" and when it was gone, meanie Travis made her replace it.

Which is BS of course because the jury heard for themselves Travis testify Jodi introduced him to KY. Her trying to say it was just a brand switch is tranparent.

[coconut]

It seems to me that the (lack of) blood spatter evidence, location of the cartridge on top of a blood puddle, and lack of blood at the bullet entry site support the claim of the gunshot was after he was already dead or had lost a massive amount of blood.

[Harlette]

This may have already been brought up and I missed it..if so, carry on and move along.

Regarding the Astroglide with Ester mentioned in the sex tape-I know a lot of people were searching for Ester-C or estrogen added to Astroglide and not really finding anything. )n a hunch I thought it might have been a joke so I googled 'lube with Ester' instead of Astroglide or KY. Turns out that most synthetic commercial grade lubes do have Ester in them...so maybe it was a joke like "I've been masturbating so much I had to use commercial grade lube"?... Kind of like the 50 gallon drum of lube on Amazon thing?

idk about that but jenny mcarthy was on WWHL w/ bravo andy - and she said the best is gun oil way better that ky

[Justice11]

It seems to me that the (lack of) blood spatter evidence, location of the cartridge on top of a blood puddle, and lack of blood at the bullet entry site support the claim of the gunshot was after he was already dead or had lost a massive amount of blood.

Yep.