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    Quote Originally Posted by songbirdsong View Post
    The reason I think she was telling the truth about the gun jamming is because shooting him first would have been the easiest (and therefore most likely) way to kill him. She thought she would be able to do it with a single bullet while he was in the shower = no mess, clean getaway. And she brought the knife/knives as a backup.

    I think she intended to (and tried to) shoot him first but the gun jammed and he lunged at her, knocking the camera and gun out of her hands (hence the ceiling pic). I think when she pulled the trigger the first time, it was fueled by rage. The moment it jammed, it became a matter of both rage AND desperation, hence the stabbing overkill as he was out of the shower and heading down the hallway. She was like, shit, it's over if he gets out of here alive. It's that added element of desperation that led to her shitty cleanup job, laundry fuckup and leaving the camera behind.

    She was planning to use the gun all along. If she planned to stab him to death, she would have made sure she had a larger window of time in which to work, not just an hour or two.
    I think she would've preferred some kind of "sex game" where she talked him into letting her tie him up, and then doing the stabbing. Perhaps that's the duct tape involvement?

    But yeah, I think she knew it would be way too hard to try and stab him to death, unless he was restrained or drugged or something. The gun was quick and easy, and she probably thought one shoot would do it, and she would leave no dna behind.

    I am convinced though that she enjoyed the stabbing, and she probably would've done some post-mortem stabbing of some sort. She was full of rage and she wanted to take it out on him.

    However, I still could buy the idea of her stabbing him when he was on his knees/sitting in the shower. She might have thought the stab to the heart would do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasthinking View Post
    You mean like the ME saying sequencing would just be speculation ............. then he himself speculates?
    We're all just doing what he did.

    The defense still has to explain why was she stealing a gun for a week earlier and WTH was it the bathroom for if she was only playing photographer?
    The ME "speculates" with actual evidence. And he is a professional. We are not. Flores is a professional. We are not.

    Meh. I'm not trying to argue with you. I don't think you and I will see eye to eye on a lot of things, and that's okay. It's what makes this forum a great place. I'm going to move on now.

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    Alright, my husband has tried to explain to me the workings of guns and how a gun can "jam" since the Sandy Hook massacre.
    The semi-automatic is the kind prone to jamming. This is the kind with a clip full of bullets, not the rotary kind. In order to shoot it the first time you put the clip in, you have to do 2 things first: 1)take the safety off and 2)cock the gun by pulling back on the barrell to get the bullet up into the chamber to be fired.
    Jodi probably didn't know any of that and that's why the gun wouldn't fire the first time she pulled the trigger.
    The other kind, the rotary kind, you just point and shoot, and are much more reliable.

    So it is plausible that Jodi tried to shoot Travis and the gun jammed. And maybe she really believes she killed him in self-defense after that.


    This trial is driving me crazy. I was watching some of the videos this morning. Nurmi takes forever to ask a question. It's not just with Jodi, it's everyone. He's terrible, besides being a disgusting pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beli View Post
    callate la boca
    Did you just tell me to shut my trap?

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    Yup, Ron is right. There is another thread here. This one and the Morgan Ingram one. That's all right?
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    I thought this was an interesting article. It talks about how Jodi's testimony could backfire on her
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-...ry?id=18504475
    Jodi Arias Testifies for Five Days Without Mentioning Killing Ex-Boyfriend

    Jurors have spent five days listening to Jodi Arias detail the ups and downs, the erotic sex and religious secrets and alleged violence in her relationship with ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander.
    But they have yet to hear her version of the crime she's accused of committing: murdering Alexander.
    Experts say that Arias' drawn-out testimony about the events leading up to the June 4, 2008 death of Alexander, 27, could backfire on Arias and her defense team, who are hoping to paint a sympathetic portrayal of the self-admitted killer by keeping her on the stand.
    "When she goes on the stand, her attorneys are saying to her, 'Don't be afraid to serve up the emotion.' People look at her right now as a monster.We have got to put a human face on the monster," said Mel McDonald, a high profile defense attorney from Phoenix, Ariz., where the trial is taking place.
    "I would probably try the same thing, to win sympathy, have her viewed as this poor little girl, detail her abuse, the guys that dumped on her, that sort of thing," he said. "But my read is the jury has to be getting frustrated because they're going day after day and they're not addressing the death. They've discussed everything but."
    Her lengthy testimony also leaves her vulnerable to cross examination, said Steven Pitt, a forensic psychiatrist who often testifies as an expert witness in court.
    "When you talk as long as she has, for as many days as she did, she is leaving a trail of crumbs for the prosecutor to just pounce on. He is going to turn her into puree, and it is not going to be pretty," Pitt said.
    Arias has spent the past week of testimony describing her abusive childhood and failed relationships with men who cheated on her and treated her poorly, and eventually her long romance with Alexander. She has said she lacked the confidence to stand up to Alexander when he became abusive and showed signs of being a "sexual deviant" with her.
    "If there's not some eye-rolling at this point I'd be surprised," said Pitt. "They're putting all of this on, and she is presenting herself as the victim. In the cases I've been involved in when the defendant portrays herself as a victim, most jurors see right through that."
    Arias claims she killed Alexander in self-defense because he was an aggressive "sexual deviant" who was controlling and violent toward her. Prosecutors say she murdered him in cold blood out of jealousy.
    Arias, 32, could face the death penalty if convicted.
    On the stand, Arias has been articulate and confident answering questions about her relationship, speaking softly and directly to the jury when answering.
    "When you're preparing the witness to testify, you're not there to convince the defense attorney. You're there to convince the jury," McDonald said. "That's very common."
    "That's a good witness. The audience is the jury, and it's obvious that she's been well-coached in terms of how to present this story," said Pitt. "It's clear that she was well-schooled, that she's done a lot of practicing and coaching in terms of stylistically in front of the jury."
    Arias has sounded calm and even-keeled when speaking to the jury, but on audio recordings played in court of a phone conversation between Arias and Alexander, she sounds markedly different. Her voice when talking to Travis is higher-pitched, with frequent giggling and cooing at Alexander.
    "They played that audio phone call where she's giggling and everything, the affectation, the change in her affect from this me-as-victim thing in court to giddy excited little girl, the jury is going to figure it out pretty quickly that a lot of this is just a charade," Pitt said.
    "This woman is Casey Anthony on steroids, and the big difference is pigs will fly before this woman walks out of courtroom," he said. Casey Anthony was accused of killing her daughter Caylee, but was acquitted by a Florida jury after claiming the girl drowned and said she had been trained to lie through years of sexual abuse by her father. Her father denied the accusation.
    Arias, dressed conservatively in long-sleeved shirts, wearing glasses, and leaving her hair hanging long with bangs in her face, has seemed meek and timid on the stand, but experts say that the defense may be laying it on too thickly.
    "When you have someone with verbal confidence, who is used to using that to get her way, I really think she thinks she can pull the wool over the eyes of jurors," Pitt said. "But she's not that smart and she's just not that good. She left a lot of physical evidence behind following the commission of this offense,' Pitt said.
    The jurors will be tasked with sorting through Arias' claims, some of which make her out to be the victim and portray Alexander as an abusive, sex-obsessed and controlling boyfriend who refused to publicly acknowledge his relationship with her.
    Arias will likely have to begin discussing the confrontation with Alexander that led to her killing him when court resumes on Tuesday or Wednesday. She'll also have to explain to the jury why she lied for months after the killing about her involvement. That, both experts is agree, is going to be the crux of the case.
    "This thing is filled with Kardashian-like drama. To the extent that the defense needs to do that to paint a picture of who they believe their client really is, well, the reality is that it's nothing more than a side show," Pitt said. "Some people may find it colorful, or titillating, or repulsive, but at the end of the day it's a side show and nothing more."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    The ME "speculates" with actual evidence. And he is a professional. We are not. Flores is a professional. We are not.

    Meh. I'm not trying to argue with you. I don't think you and I will see eye to eye on a lot of things, and that's okay. It's what makes this forum a great place. I'm going to move on now.
    He isn't 'speculating' sequence on 'evidence', he couldn't provide any evidence to support sequence even when the defense asked him several times. Hence speculation w/o evidence. Just like he said, I'd only be speculating.

    If the logic you want to use for one side were true, then we'd have to believe the def expert! .. poor Jodi was abused and feared for her life.

    Jury will hear instructions that an expert's testimony is as any other witnesses and they can give it whatever weight they wish. Which is basically what we are doing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oh right View Post
    Alright, my husband has tried to explain to me the workings of guns and how a gun can "jam" since the Sandy Hook massacre.
    The semi-automatic is the kind prone to jamming. This is the kind with a clip full of bullets, not the rotary kind. In order to shoot it the first time you put the clip in, you have to do 2 things first: 1)take the safety off and 2)cock the gun by pulling back on the barrell to get the bullet up into the chamber to be fired.
    Jodi probably didn't know any of that and that's why the gun wouldn't fire the first time she pulled the trigger.
    The other kind, the rotary kind, you just point and shoot, and are much more reliable.

    So it is plausible that Jodi tried to shoot Travis and the gun jammed. And maybe she really believes she killed him in self-defense after that.


    This trial is driving me crazy. I was watching some of the videos this morning. Nurmi takes forever to ask a question. It's not just with Jodi, it's everyone. He's terrible, besides being a disgusting pig.
    my problem w. this theory is she would have to have a gun, a knife and a camera in her hands - by the pics - the attack was only about 90 secs, if she had tried to fire a gun, he would have had the chance to overpower her b4 she could pick up the knife - the first accidental pic appears to be the camera flying out of her hand after she attacked - if she was taking the pics w/ the knife behind her back, he is sitting, they finish w/ their pic taking session, he starts to get up in a slippery shower, completely off guard - and takes that chance to stab him, that would debilitate him enuff to be able to carry out the rest then the shot at the end was either and fu or to try to make it look like 2 different attackers

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonL View Post
    Hi everyone! I'm new here...have been lurking for a short time. I finally decided to join in on the conversation. I was up until almost 4am catching up on this thread...while laughing my ass off at some of the hilarious comments/names that you come up with. I definitely love finding a place with like minded freshness lol! I hope "the skank" gets what is coming to her...can't wait for cross!! Nurmi is driving me NUTS....freaking Eeyore that one. How slow can this douche talk? I have to admit, I'm a bit thankful for the break from the trial. Was getting tired of throwing up in my mouth listening to "the skank" lie and bs her way through direct. GAG. Anyway - looking forward to getting to "know" you all!
    Welcome AlisonL!!!!
    HAHAHA!! I agree with your comments, you're DEFINITELY in good company here!! Hodi Haters REIGN!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post
    my problem w. this theory is she would have to have a gun, a knife and a camera in her hands - by the pics - the attack was only about 90 secs, if she had tried to fire a gun, he would have had the chance to overpower her b4 she could pick up the knife - the first accidental pic appears to be the camera flying out of her hand after she attacked - if she was taking the pics w/ the knife behind her back, he is sitting, they finish w/ their pic taking session, he starts to get up in a slippery shower, completely off guard - and takes that chance to stab him, that would debilitate him enuff to be able to carry out the rest then the shot at the end was either and fu or to try to make it look like 2 different attackers
    Or, it WAS 2 different attackers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    The ME "speculates" with actual evidence. And he is a professional. We are not. Flores is a professional. We are not.

    Meh. I'm not trying to argue with you. I don't think you and I will see eye to eye on a lot of things, and that's okay. It's what makes this forum a great place. I'm going to move on now.
    He isn't 'speculating' sequence on 'evidence', he couldn't provide any evidence to support sequence even when the defense asked him several times. Hence speculation w/o evidence. Just like he said, I'd only be speculating.

    If the logic you want to use for one side were true, then we'd have to believe the def expert! .. poor Jodi was abused and feared for her life.

    Jury will hear instructions that an expert's testimony is as any other witnesses and they can give it whatever weight they wish. Which is basically what we are doing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    Or, it WAS 2 different attackers.
    Don't start Ronald.

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    I'm watching Day 6 of the trial on YT, and literally gasped when JM DROPPED the camera on the floor! Then the comments about Nurmi thinking "all Hispanic names sound alike"...LOL...is it time for CROSS yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post
    my problem w. this theory is she would have to have a gun, a knife and a camera in her hands - by the pics - the attack was only about 90 secs, if she had tried to fire a gun, he would have had the chance to overpower her b4 she could pick up the knife - the first accidental pic appears to be the camera flying out of her hand after she attacked - if she was taking the pics w/ the knife behind her back, he is sitting, they finish w/ their pic taking session, he starts to get up in a slippery shower, completely off guard - and takes that chance to stab him, that would debilitate him enuff to be able to carry out the rest then the shot at the end was either and fu or to try to make it look like 2 different attackers
    For the record, from sitting down to ceiling pic is 2.02
    And many are assuming he was dead in the drag, I don't. If he wasn't dead, she could have had a lot longer than 4 mins for killing to be added on.

    If my hunch about a remote is right she wouldn't need the camera in her hand. But I agree, I don't see a camera, a knife and a gun all in her hands at the same time. Put there are pockets if she had those so anything with this planning slasher is possible. Maybe she stuckthe remote in a pocket and when she was stabbing and dragging, pressure against walls or whatever made the camera take pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiggrrl72077 View Post
    I thought this was an interesting article. It talks about how Jodi's testimony could backfire on her
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-...ry?id=18504475
    Thanks, great article, my sentiments exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debk589 View Post
    Don't start Ronald.
    God forbid someone disagrees with you psychos.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCBlonde View Post
    I really believe that she is going to claim that she can't remember most of what happened. She'll say she was too traumatized.

    I can picture Juan up at bat. "So, you don't remember slicing him from ear to ear?!?!" "So you don't remember stabbing him in the heart?!" Etc. It will be hard to listen to, but I think he will take it to her on each and every injury.
    Go Juan!

    I think that is their plan too, BIG MISTAKE after holding this jury hostage to her droning on every effing Starbucks she ever bought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiggrrl72077 View Post
    I thought this was an interesting article. It talks about how Jodi's testimony could backfire on her
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-...ry?id=18504475
    Yes, I just read that! Oh how I hope that guy is right about how the jury is rolling their eyes and seeing right through a killer who tries to play the victim!

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    From what I'm reading, a .25 pistol is very small and also often referred to as a "pocket pistol." If you look at the videos I posted a few pages back, it is small, even in the hands of a pre-teen. Jodi very easily could have had the gun in her pants pocket.

    Depending on the size of the knife, that could have been in a pocket as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle78550 View Post
    Yes I too have Jodi Fatigue !

    This trial is starting to take its toll on me ...I pray everyday for JM to get his crack at Jodi or for the good Lord to call me home whichever comes first.

    I think that JM on the first day of cross needs to apologize to the jury for what is about to take place ..he will not be picking on Jodi or trying to intimidate her but simply trying to get to the TRUTH ...stand up for Travis since he is not here to stand up for himself. Shit is about to get real and the gloves are coming off ! Please return your seatbacks and tables to the upright positions and prepare for landing this motherfucker in reality city ! I cannot wait !!!

    Here is some of my observations and thoughts ......

    When we finally hear from her about the fateful day she will have memory lapse and saw red and blah blah blah ...experts will testify that this is normal for her abused condition...so we will get screwed out of the only thing we are hoping for ..her recollection of the events

    Gus fucked her ...he did not do in 90 days which takes most mortals 2 years to do by being an idiot ..he gave her a phone and a shoulder to cry on and told her she needed a couple of doses of Uncle Gus's Root Oil to make it in the PPL game ....like I said before the word was on the street that she was easy and kinky and very willing and he exploited that ...fo sho !

    No baby ..no abortion ..that would have already been discussed if there was any hint ....plus they did it in the bathtub and everybody knows you cant get preggers when you do it in water ...and it no countsies in the bathtub so you get free do overs !

    The hair color deal ....one word people ..WIGS !

    Text messages and emails .....she hacked em ! ...all of them ! ....she was planning to either blackmail him ..humiliate him ..or kill him for quite some time ...Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned !

    That is it for now ...I need to go to the liquor store and get ready !
    AMEN!! THANK YOU !! You also get a Hallelujah FROM and A second chorus !!! You also Got a WITNESS!! :) I just wanted to say thank you for posting what I have been thinking exactly !! ... I have been a member to other sites like this.. but THIS ONE IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST!! <3 Other sites you cannot really say what you want and its the Freeedom of SPEECH that makes me so HAPPY to be here and reading all the great insights posted... This particular post was what enticed me to create an account.. and CAN I JUST SAY..... When Juan Martinez challenged the email details face to face with Jodi on the stand the other day it DID make me pee myself a little bit !!! I WAS like "GO Juan GO!!!!".... Drag the truth out of her if YOU GOT TO! and I think he is just the man to do it !! ..... The look she gave not only gave me chills but stopped me dead in my tracks and gave me genuine concern for ANYONE challenging this GOOFY PSYCHO Anal-Loving WHORE!! SHE is not only a KOOK stalker, but CRAZIER than bat shit ever wanted to BE!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shahoolie11 View Post
    Welcome AlisonL!!!!
    HAHAHA!! I agree with your comments, you're DEFINITELY in good company here!! Hodi Haters REIGN!!!
    LOL!! Hodi-haters unite! Love it!! She's such a trash bag.

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    For those, like me, who are not firearms experts, here is a page with gun sizes. .25 is tiny. Palm-sized. Very easy to conceal.

    http://www.handgunclub.com/hca/2010/...liber-pistols/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonL View Post
    LOL!! Hodi-haters unite! Love it!! She's such a trash bag.
    LMAO!
    I have never seen Hodi as a victim in any way....because her entire past since 14 looks like this:



    What a whorebait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlette View Post
    my problem w. this theory is she would have to have a gun, a knife and a camera in her hands - by the pics - the attack was only about 90 secs, if she had tried to fire a gun, he would have had the chance to overpower her b4 she could pick up the knife - the first accidental pic appears to be the camera flying out of her hand after she attacked - if she was taking the pics w/ the knife behind her back, he is sitting, they finish w/ their pic taking session, he starts to get up in a slippery shower, completely off guard - and takes that chance to stab him, that would debilitate him enuff to be able to carry out the rest then the shot at the end was either and fu or to try to make it look like 2 different attackers
    It is also possible that he knew she had a knife, while the last few photos were being taken. I still think the look on his face the last few (if not all) shots was a look of sadness, not enjoying what was going on. So - either she showed him the knife and threatened to kill herself with it if he didn't cooperate, or showed him the knife and threatened him with it. The gunshot was the last attack, and could have happened up to a few minutes later.


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    Come on Ron...at least stick to the script....there was only 1 killer, it was self defense! If you wanna stick up for Jodi, fine....but don't argue shit she's not even argueing. She said she did it...under oath!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonL View Post
    LOL!! Hodi-haters unite! Love it!! She's such a trash bag.
    So this is what I've been "missing," huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shahoolie11 View Post
    LMAO!
    I have never seen Hodi as a victim in any way....because her entire past since 14 looks like this:

    :

    What a whorebait.
    Fucking makes you a whore? Did she charge?
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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