Jodi Ann Arias shot and stabbed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander to death

[Shahoolie11]

Uh-oh. Suppose she went to Mesa to tell him she was pregnant. He told her to get abortion, which she considered killing baby/herself - so she killed him in self-defense of baby?

OOOoOOoOHH!!! Good one!! Very possible!!!
Why couldn't I have been a fly on the wall at Travis's house that day?!??!?!?
Oh right...because this is reality, and that would've been fucking terrible anyway.

good theory!

[wasthinking]

I'm watching the hearing I missed yesterday morning.

A thought just flash across, Jodi's last pictures before being locked away out of sight is in those ugly ass blouses. looking like Andrea Yates.

[marycontrary]

Me too. And I do not believe they had vaginal intercourse, ever. Main reason I believe this has nothing to do with Jodi's quest for chastity. Not once have I heard Nurmi ask her about birth control. Not once, granted I have dozed off acouple times, so maybe I missed it. But especially if someone got you vaginally, first time every, while you were asleep......and taking into consideration Nurmi is hopefully trying to save her life....in the real world and Jodi's world, everyone would be focused on and highlighting the huge emotional drama and anguish, worrrying about getting pregnant after an event like that. But I onluy heard crickets. That's not right. I call reasonable person's reality bs.

[I[/I]

I wondered about that too. Props to her if she was hitting planned parenthood regularly. They both seem so immature in their relationship that I wouldn't be surprised if a-sex was a method of bc for them

[Shahoolie11]

I'm watching the hearing I missed yesterday morning.

A thought just flash across, Jodi's last pictures before being locked away out of sight is in those ugly ass blouses. looking like Andrea Yates.

HOLY SHIT! I thought this same thing at the start of the trial! They made her look dorky and mousy just like AY!!!!!
She must be so pissed not to look like a sexpot.

[Rachael123]

Thank you Mandy,feel like I was there.((((Hugs)))

HIIIII GUYS!!! Ahhhhh....been a long day - had to drive home after trial so sorry for posting so late. They are really strict with phones in there so I basically had my phone off majority of the day (aka- unable to keep up/post). Anyways, been on for the past 1/2 hour trying to catch up! You guys are too funny. And yes- you found me!

Ok I have lots to say but will give a summary - to start.

So-- had a quick chat with Martinez in the morning- he came up to a few of us that were waiting to get in. Basically, he told us that it's really hard sitting there through this part of the trial - defense questioning Jodi. He said this while shaking his head- you can definitely see the frustration. He shook all of our hands and we all told him a little something like how much we appreciate what he's doing, blah blah. He then said things should 'pick up soon'. Ahhhhh...I like him.

So yesterday the judge instructed us that we were to have NO facial expressions whatsoever, but today-there were no instructions. Uhhhh...ya...I'm pretty sure I took advantage of that. It's just so hard sitting there not wanting to roll your eyes, sighing, laughing at the BS, etc. I'm pretty sure I did all of the above at some point during the first half of her testimony today. I mean, really??? She was BURYING herself!!!

Ok-my observations by sitting in the gallery:

Jodi- CREEPY. No way around that - and that's the best way to explain it. She is frail and so plain and boring looking, but I immediately got a creepy vibe. I was pretty close to her (especially this afternoon) so I got a good look. I really can't explain it, but it still gives me chills thinking about it. Not exaggerating. She looks so EMPTY. I can definitely understand when people explain that she would stare right through them. Although she didn't look directly at me where I was able to gauge that, but I could still tell. It's just straight up weird. And it's not because I know what she did. The 'aura' is just there.

Jury- awwww man - I couldn't keep my eyes off them. They are pretty hard to read- they all stay very serious and look either at Jodi or at Nurmi. Back and forth, back and forth. There were a few that were regularly taking notes, and for the most part, the rest look like they're listening intently-with a few exceptions: yesterday while the sex tape was playing (which btw- how boring was that?! I was very unimpressed with their phone sex 'skills' lol) Anyways, at 2 points in the tape there was one young guy (late 20s/early 30s?) that was holding back laughter. It. Was. Awesome. Once while Travis was 'complimenting' Jodi's lady parts (AHAHAHA!) and the other time when Travis was singing the 'National Anthem'. I wanted to crack up too! He straight up dissed Jodi! Lmao. Anyways, I took that as a good sign- he obviously wasn't buying the humiliation BS. And then as I mentioned on Dr. Drew- about 1/2 hour into the tape, the jury looked irritated. Like it was a waste of time, they weren't moved, get on with the show. Today, they walked in all having the stoic look. They looked more tired than yesterday tho. I watched to see if any of them looked at Jodi (some did) and if they smiled at her (I didn't see any). Although yesterday, somebody else in the gallery told me they saw one of them smile at her because she was smiling at them (don't remember if it was a guy or girl). Anyways, they were NOT having it in the afternoon today. There was obvious annoyance, frustration and impatience when Jodi was looking through the text messages (lots of shifts and head tilts). After that first long break- they were basically done. By the third time Jodi was reviewing, there were sighs, slight eye rolling, swiveling in chairs, one guy whispered something to another and they both chuckled- and then lots of them started looking at the gallery I saw a lot of them looking at JA's family. Thought that was interesting. I thought all of that was a good sign. Got the feeling they're not digging all of the BS. They showed LOTS of annoyance with Nurmi, especially at a specific point when Nurmi said something like 'before I get into xxx, let's go back real quick to...' (I wanted to scream so bad at that point. Literally wishing I was watching the live stream instead so I could!)

BTW- during these long @ss breaks (wtf were you looking at Jodi?! Ho-lee shit!) all I could think of was the sarcastic-filled conversations that were going on here at MDS. If you happened to catch me smirking, that is definitely what I was imagining.

Couple more random observations:
Jodi's demeanor gets really lax when the cameras are off. I know we've all agreed she is acting up on the stand, but I am now confirming that. F-ing crazy @ss.

Travis' family is amazing. They all hold a very professional demeanor and they show there are there for business.

Jodi's fam notsomuch.

JM looks smaller in person. (Have I said yet that I really like him??? )

Nurmi looks smaller too. No, really. He's still big, but not ginormous like he does on TV.

Overall, I am SO glad I got to attend the two days. I am crazy for doing it- I won't deny that when people make fun of me- BUT I'm not the only one. Man oh man, I was hanging with some strange peeps today!

Oh- and still no jury questions in the basket!!

I know there's much more to share, but I'll start there. Any q's???

Can't wait for tomorrow! I'll be back here in the mrng to watch along with you all!

[DixieChic]

I'm not sure how a pregnancy would help the prosecution.

Oh if Travis made her abort a baby it would have been brought up already. They would have used that as another abuse accusation in their defense. I don't think the preggers thing is anything to waste time on.

[rdeadline]

The recaps and diary are wonderful. I wanted to say thanks. Yesterday was a big mess I was trying to understand (and I was watching) until I read the recaps.

[Shahoolie11]

Oh if Travis made her abort a baby it would have been brought up already. They would have used that as another abuse accusation in their defense. I don't think the preggers thing is anything to waste time on.

Oopsie...just a wacky theory! I'm sure you're right though, like I said earlier, defense is really dragging this out, so I'm starting to think of anything as motivation for her. Her story, is clearly a pile of lies with some truths sprinkled in. We can end the whole stupid pregnancy/abortion thing now!

[wasthinking]

HOLY SHIT! I thought this same thing at the start of the trial! They made her look dorky and mousy just like AY!!!!!
She must be so pissed not to look like a sexpot.

Mark her words! say cheese

[Shahoolie11]

A special present for Hodi today...might actually be her "size"
Enjoy!

[Shahoolie11]

Mark her words! say cheese

That is just eerie isn't it????

[morbidT]

Sorry for the typo.



I agree. I'm pretty sure that if she'd had an abortion, we would have heard all about how Travis made her kill her baby.

I also think it's unlikely that Travis would have wanted her to have an abortion. Those conservative pro-life religions really really drill that "abortion is murder" thing into them at a young age.

My thinking on whether or not to have an abortion lies in Travis would be outed. People do stupid shit to cover their tracks. I don't think there was a baby involved. Hypothetically, I can see someone having an abortion so they wouldn't be excommunicated from the church. Even with pro-life beliefs. Abort the baby and no one will know of the premarital sex. Keep the baby and live with the possibility of losing credibility and excommunication.

It reminds me of girls from HS. I went to a Catholic HS and there were girls who were pregnant, but they still took communion. I'm not Catholic, but I always thought you couldn't take communion if you were pregnant (or committing mortal sins).

True! Yeah, we all know Travis was living 2 lives...and he definitely would've been mortified if all his friends and the church members found out that he got someone knocked up, plus he allegedly told all his friends that Jodi wasn't "marriage material" - so, he knew he wasn't going to be with her forever. I don't know, maybe you're right...maybe Martinez will pull it out of her somewhere during cross. Although...if she DID have an abortion, wouldn't there be a medical record. Can a trial usurp the patient/doctor confidentiality with a capital murder case?? SO many questions!!!

Exactly (about the two lives). He wouldn't want to be 'caught.' I'm pretty sure lawyers can get medical records with a subpoena/warrant.

[DixieChic]

Oopsie...just a wacky theory! I'm sure you're right though, like I said earlier, defense is really dragging this out, so I'm starting to think of anything as motivation for her. Her story, is clearly a pile of lies with some truths sprinkled in. We can end the whole stupid pregnancy/abortion thing now!

Whew I shudder at the thought of her reproducing.

[wasthinking]

Oh if Travis made her abort a baby it would have been brought up already. They would have used that as another abuse accusation in their defense. I don't think the preggers thing is anything to waste time on.

agree or my favorite Flores phrase, Farfetched.

omg, Numbo is such a whine baby. Juan kicks ass in two minutes, sits down. What a pro!
Numbo raves on and on and on and still can't support his own ranting with any LAW.

[Shahoolie11]

Whew I shudder at the thought of her reproducing.

Eww.....we don't THAT in the world!!! Either way this ends...she'll never get out in time to meet a poor soul and procreate. I'm thinking the DP is probably off the books now, but I think she'll get like 25-40 years...possibly with a chance of parole. What are you thoughts???

[I doubt it]

If the pregnant Catholic girls had confessed their sins and were no longer engaging in sex they could receive communion. Being pregnant is not a sin.

[animosity]

now that i don't have a million hours in a day to waste, the recaps and diary are invaluable... my thanks to berm, justice, venus, and anyone else who's keeping track for us all!

[Bacon]

My thinking on whether or not to have an abortion lies in Travis would be outed. People do stupid shit to cover their tracks. I don't think there was a baby involved. Hypothetically, I can see someone having an abortion so they wouldn't be excommunicated from the church. Even with pro-life beliefs. Abort the baby and no one will know of the premarital sex. Keep the baby and live with the possibility of losing credibility and excommunication.

It reminds me of girls from HS. I went to a Catholic HS and there were girls who were pregnant, but they still took communion. I'm not Catholic, but I always thought you couldn't take communion if you were pregnant (or committing mortal sins).



Exactly (about the two lives). He wouldn't want to be 'caught.' I'm pretty sure lawyers can get medical records with a subpoena/warrant.

I am Catholic and I've never heard that...but I never finished that whole confirmation thing so maybe I'm just out of the loop. I'm also not sure that it's something people wouldn't do unless they were specifically called out for it like "Hey, wait, you can't do this" Otherwise you're basically announcing to everyone that you've done something wrong. I had a very Catholic friend in high school who said once during Youth Group that if it was either his mom has an abortion or dies from pregnancy complications that he didn't think his mom should have the abortion. This same guy totally had pre-martial sex. So weird to me that one thing can be taken so seriously and another completely ignored...

[zeebee]

Uh-oh. Suppose she went to Mesa to tell him she was pregnant. He told her to get abortion, which she considered killing baby/herself - so she killed him in self-defense of baby?

In which case, what happened to the baby?

[zeebee]

Oh if Travis made her abort a baby it would have been brought up already. They would have used that as another abuse accusation in their defense. I don't think the preggers thing is anything to waste time on.

I don't think so either. I believe we'd have heard something about it already.

[zeebee]

Oopsie...just a wacky theory! I'm sure you're right though, like I said earlier, defense is really dragging this out, so I'm starting to think of anything as motivation for her. Her story, is clearly a pile of lies with some truths sprinkled in. We can end the whole stupid pregnancy/abortion thing now!

Oh, whoops! I didn't get this far before I responded to the other posts.

Never mind!

[zeebee]

A special present for Hodi today...might actually be her "size"
Enjoy!

I wish he'd thown THAT at her head.

[I doubt it]

In which case, what happened to the baby?

Dumb idea? Good!

[Alternatejuror]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOVE IT !!!!!! You people here are so talented! The bright spot in this whole trial (for me) was when JM pointed out that the email was sent to Travis. I think this is just a glimpse of what the 3 hole wonder has in store for her smug ass.

[Harlette]

I just fished out deleted tivo recording of Nancy Grace to look at her montage leadin, strung together clips of jodi testifying yesterday. I wanted to see if what I thought I had seen was really there. This leadin clip, I see Jodi connecting to someone in that jury. Most likely a connection only in her mind, just like Travis, but it was blatant. So animated and locked on someone. I had been catching her stealing glances a couple of times, like she was monitoring someone in there. And then I noticed that she started checking there too after she would do her flash crazy face when Juan made an objection, interupting her as she was about to shift into high gear, doubled speed spidey speaking shooting lies like a tommy gun. I am curious if anyone else seeing this too? TV in person? Thanks for responses in advance. I am dying to hear it's being picked up by others.

yes! its seems like when martinez objects, it throws of her whole script off and she gets very flustered!
what does jodi do when the cameras are off?? and did you see her new creepy bf bryan carr?
and what is her family doing?? when she called he sis dumb, then a drug addict?? and the brother just seems disassociated - like its just a video game, and the mom seems distracted like she is checking her ebay auctions, - and the aunt w/ the constant giggling!!
did you get a chance to say anything to travis' family, that we all know jodi is lying her ass off??

and i am love martinez to
and i don't think you are crazy for going there - i have been thinking about it to!! so ty for the awesome insights
i saw some one else who was going to the court house and they were letting ppl have their phones and live tweet during court, but last week they shut it down

i bet if jodi had the chance she would have become pregnant to catch travis in a NY minute, and i think thats why it seems he did the pull out method - a lot!

sorry for all the questions
again thank you!!