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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfenderbender View Post
    Three questions that are bugging me:

    1. I thought email could be traced, I am referring to the "whoredoms" email sent to Lisa Andrews by John Doe. Martinez said he was not calling her to the stand because it could cause appeal problems post conviction. I think due to Lisa having a former bf, Joe Bell, that had run ins with the law, the defense in likely going to infer he may have been the emailer and tire slasher, jeaolous of her relationship with Travis. If they could have traced the IP address that would have been a coup.
    It can be IF you trace it soon enough. The murder occurred months later. It would have been nearly impossible to go back that far and trace the IP address that it came from. There are also ways to disguise your IP address (something like "anonymizer"). She could have also sent it from a public library using an account she just created.


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    2. Someone put up pics that included the Wal-Mart receipt for facial cleaner, keroscene and two like items but I can't figure out what they are; tried googling the numbers on the receipt to no avail. They were around $9 each. Maybe it was the hair dye? That makes sense, two for all that hair. This occurred to me as i write. I don't see how she could have died her hair on the road, it is messy and you have to leave it in at least a half hour to go from blonde to brunette. Rinsing is no easy task. Maybe a truck stop shower. Lots of planning and things really went her way I must say.
    That wasn't kerosene on that receipt--it was a 5 gallon kerosene (gas) can. I can think of a couple of things she may have used it for. She may have filled it with water to rinse out her hair that she dyed on the road, and she may have filled it with gasoline to burn everything after the fact.

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    3. Then the fact that Enrique says he gets home around 6. She was dragging the body around 5:30, then tries to clean up herself and the scene, and throw in a load of laundry so must have barely missed him, unless she hid in there until he went to bed, explaining the cell phone ping from Kingman, AZ around 11. Kingman is 3.5 hours from Mesa. If she was gone by 6, there are some 1.5 hours unaccounted for. OR she was somewhere before Kingman burning the evidence. They say the dryer load was the sheets, so I am going with she put those in after the romp (get rid of the sex DNA), no way would they have been washed and another load started in a half hour. Again, things went her way not to run into Enrique. Maybe she left wearing the bloody clothes and changed in the desert, but no mention was made of her seat having stains. She could have put a tarp over it though. She had to be drenched.

    The shower pictures are beginning to look more and more like he had said goodbye to her, her car was packed and ready to go, maybe already had the driver's seat covered. The pictures are not that focused or well lit compared to her other photos (she did take the shaving photo, she mentioned it in an interview with Flores, as well as the ones in his office wearing his suit, you can see the JFineart watermark on some of them, and they were even used at the memorial) He is just taking a shower and pondering what went down that day, likely feeling guilt, spitting out water like i think we all do in the shower. THEN he sees her, and the madness begins...if you go with something po'd her then you are eliminating premeditation. I am pretty sure she wanted to say a few things to him, and the fact that she was able to inflict incapacitating harm - again, things go her way. Whether the bullet or stab came first shouldn't matter, because if the bullet was while he was sitting there, it makes sense of the angle, she is standing over him. He cannot be attacking. BUT the shell casing on top of the blood says he was already stabbed. The shower door is closed in that last photo and obviously has no bullet hole. How does that shower door get open and she get the stab in without him over powering her, that is the million dollar question. He has his throat slit within what, 100 seconds of that last erie photo??? It was absolute mayhem, and the only thing that didn't go her way was he got out of the shower.

    If only a cop had spotted her upside down plate and pulled her over sooner....when the evidence was still in the car and she was covered in blood.
    She had to have been gone before Enrique got home or he would have seen the car in the driveway (unless, of course, she parked somewhere else--I suppose that's a possibility). Regardless, she had to have cleaned herself up before she left the house. She wouldn't want to risk a neighbor seeing someone covered in blood walking out of the house. It's still daylight at 6:00pm in June.

    It's entirely possible Travis threw the sheets in the washing machine before he got in the shower. He does seem like a tidy guy, and if they were covered in sweat/body fluids/KY Jelly (gross), he wouldn't want to risk Mimi or anyone coming over and seeing his bed like that. If Jodi had washed the sheets herself, she likely would have thrown them in with all the other stuff in one load.

    She did luck out not running into Enrique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    oh! how about this... two weapons for two kills! in case the other gal was there or showed up, take her out with the gun for ease of use and spend more time with travis - you know, give him a more personal send off.

    really though, about the whole situation, i don't think it was planned meticulously, executed well or covered up nicely. she had to know she'd be questioned eventually but obviously didn't come up with any kind of cover story until she was arrested. fail. she took nudey photos and murder photos and then lost track of where the camera was. fail. she put the fucking license plate on upside down and got her ass pulled over. fail. she stole her grandpas gun and shot him with it. fail.

    maybe she put a lot of thought into it. stupid thought. she basically did every single thing wrong and then lied badly - in the way a busted 7 year old would lie.
    I definitely don't think she thought of everything, but I do think she put a lot of thought into it. It never occurred to her that he'd stumble out of the shower leaving blood all over the place.

    I also think the gun was the backup plan, in case stabbing didn't kill him.

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    I think maybe she followed him in the bathroom at first? He looks pissed. He thought she was gone, then she surprised him again.

    Ugh, Jodi just admit your guilt and write an OJ style "If I Did It" book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadameX View Post
    I definitely don't think she thought of everything, but I do think she put a lot of thought into it. It never occurred to her that he'd stumble out of the shower leaving blood all over the place.

    I also think the gun was the backup plan, in case stabbing didn't kill him.
    i honestly don't understand why him coming out of the shower mattered at all to her. it's almost like she had a plan and when it didn't work out, she decided to force the plan. i don't know how to explain this thought...

    would it not be more convincing that ninjas invaded his home and left him dead of a cut throat in the hallway after he tried to flee? the back in the shower thing, the dragging and the cleaning up of some stuff screams staging. ninja killers don't stage nuthin'. why would they? why shoot him in the head after he was dead, unless that was your stupid plan to begin. why would ninja killers use the two types of weapon (why would anyone?) anyway? nobody does a hit with a knife. that's just silly. but obviously he was killed with the knife, not the gun... also, the brutality and the insanity of it all is not hit like in any way. no pro want to get their hands dirty like that.

    i guess she wasn't initially thinking of staging it to look like intruders, but instead trying to frame the current girlfriend? sloppy crime scene, brown hair and white car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    i honestly don't understand why him coming out of the shower mattered at all to her. it's almost like she had a plan and when it didn't work out, she decided to force the plan. i don't know how to explain this thought...

    would it not be more convincing that ninjas invaded his home and left him dead of a cut throat in the hallway after he tried to flee? the back in the shower thing, the dragging and the cleaning up of some stuff screams staging. ninja killers don't stage nuthin'. why would they? why shoot him in the head after he was dead, unless that was your stupid plan to begin. why would ninja killers use the two types of weapon (why would anyone?) anyway? nobody does a hit with a knife. that's just silly. but obviously he was killed with the knife, not the gun... also, the brutality and the insanity of it all is not hit like in any way. no pro want to get their hands dirty like that.

    i guess she wasn't initially thinking of staging it to look like intruders, but instead trying to frame the current girlfriend? sloppy crime scene, brown hair and white car?
    In her mind, killing him in the shower would allow her to wash away the evidence. Why else would she drag his body back to the shower and wash the body off? Why not just leave him where he ended up?

    The intruder story didn't come until after she knew she was screwed because she left evidence all over the place. If everything worked out according to plan (at least in her mind), there would be no proof she was ever in Mesa...

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    I didn't even think of her trying to frame the current love interest. He looks pissed in the picture where there is a flash, like "I'm doing your stupid pose now gtfo." The rest without the flash, he looks less tense.

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    oh well. none of it seems to make sense. i can't imagine what she was thinking. to me, either it was premeditated and she's an idiot who managed to do a really terrible job at planning logically, or it wasn't premeditated and she did a... uh... i got nothing.
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    I can't help but wonder if Travis Alexander had any idea of what was about to happen to him in that last photo taken of him before he was so brutally murdered? A lot of people say they see fear in his eyes. I guess we will never know. Only his family would be able to answer that question. My heart, thoughts & prayers go out to them. This has completely destroyed their lives forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristinella View Post

    Edit: I'm stupid and finally realized I could watch the video on photobucket. Now I'm convinced he didn't know she was there and was facing against the wall of the shower having post sex remorse. Maybe he was talking out loud? Said something like, "Why did I fuck that crazy bitch?" Then she raged, there was that minute gap where she could have grabbed her weapons and came back. Then there was an even longer almost 2 minute gap? Then another minute gap. At some point I think she was hiding (ran out of the bathroom maybe hid in the closet because she thought he caught her, maybe did this a few times which explains the multiple minute gaps). It seems like the pictures right before the large minute gaps are when he is facing and could possibly notice her so she gets freaked out and hides in the closet again. She could have put the gun and knife in his closet and went to grab them. He's totally having a Crying Game remorse shower. She straight up ambushed him. Ew, what a creeper.
    I think there's no way he didn't see her, he was standing in a stall with a glass door. And this is 4 HOURS after the sex pics which are time stamped around 1:30. Lots of pics are taken that look like an expression meaning one thing but really aren't, because it's just a milisecond in time. He might have been singing there or laughing and saying this is gonna look gay, like Jodi said. Who knows. Something could've happened in that 4 hours stretch of time that made Jodi decide she wanted to do it, and she probably convinced him to let her photo him in the shower since he'd be most vulnerable there.

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    on the receipts she had gas receipts where she got gas 2 mins apart - maybe she filled the kerosene cans w/ gas so she wouldn't have to get gas in arizona - since she was trying to prove she wasn't there then

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    I think Travis knew she was taking the pics. Some of the angles on the pics wouldn't allow for her to be creeping in a closet. Some of the pics look like she is on the ground taking an upward pic. How could he not see her creeping around on the floor?

    I'm also not convinced the gun shot was the last thing to have happened. There have been plenty of 'I survived' type stories where people have suffered injuries that should have killed/incapacitated/made them retarded, kind of injuries, but didn't. Think about the x-ray pics that show impalement of objects in the brain (knives, scissors, fence posts, sticks, arrows) and the person was conscious, no mental status changes, went to surgery to have the object removed and went on with their lives. They didn't suffer a huge amount of bleeding within the brain from these injuries. I saw a story on one guy who had a nail in his head for days. He didn't realize he shot himself with a power nail thingy.
    I honestly think the first injury was the gunshot (although, I can be swayed as I don't know the trajectory of the bullet). It didn't incapacitate him and he was able to put up a struggle. I believe it injured him and that is how Jodi was able to over power him.


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    ..... it wasn't anything personal, she just mistook him for a serial killer......

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfenderbender View Post
    Three questions that are bugging me:

    1. I thought email could be traced, I am referring to the "whoredoms" email sent to Lisa Andrews by John Doe. Martinez said he was not calling her to the stand because it could cause appeal problems post conviction. I think due to Lisa having a former bf, Joe Bell, that had run ins with the law, the defense in likely going to infer he may have been the emailer and tire slasher, jeaolous of her relationship with Travis. If they could have traced the IP address that would have been a coup.

    2. Someone put up pics that included the Wal-Mart receipt for facial cleaner, keroscene and two like items but I can't figure out what they are; tried googling the numbers on the receipt to no avail. They were around $9 each. Maybe it was the hair dye? That makes sense, two for all that hair. This occurred to me as i write. I don't see how she could have died her hair on the road, it is messy and you have to leave it in at least a half hour to go from blonde to brunette. Rinsing is no easy task. Maybe a truck stop shower. Lots of planning and things really went her way I must say.

    3. Then the fact that Enrique says he gets home around 6. She was dragging the body around 5:30, then tries to clean up herself and the scene, and throw in a load of laundry so must have barely missed him, unless she hid in there until he went to bed, explaining the cell phone ping from Kingman, AZ around 11. Kingman is 3.5 hours from Mesa. If she was gone by 6, there are some 1.5 hours unaccounted for. OR she was somewhere before Kingman burning the evidence. They say the dryer load was the sheets, so I am going with she put those in after the romp (get rid of the sex DNA), no way would they have been washed and another load started in a half hour. Again, things went her way not to run into Enrique. Maybe she left wearing the bloody clothes and changed in the desert, but no mention was made of her seat having stains. She could have put a tarp over it though. She had to be drenched.

    The shower pictures are beginning to look more and more like he had said goodbye to her, her car was packed and ready to go, maybe already had the driver's seat covered. The pictures are not that focused or well lit compared to her other photos (she did take the shaving photo, she mentioned it in an interview with Flores, as well as the ones in his office wearing his suit, you can see the JFineart watermark on some of them, and they were even used at the memorial) He is just taking a shower and pondering what went down that day, likely feeling guilt, spitting out water like i think we all do in the shower. THEN he sees her, and the madness begins...if you go with something po'd her then you are eliminating premeditation. I am pretty sure she wanted to say a few things to him, and the fact that she was able to inflict incapacitating harm - again, things go her way. Whether the bullet or stab came first shouldn't matter, because if the bullet was while he was sitting there, it makes sense of the angle, she is standing over him. He cannot be attacking. BUT the shell casing on top of the blood says he was already stabbed. The shower door is closed in that last photo and obviously has no bullet hole. How does that shower door get open and she get the stab in without him over powering her, that is the million dollar question. He has his throat slit within what, 100 seconds of that last erie photo??? It was absolute mayhem, and the only thing that didn't go her way was he got out of the shower.

    If only a cop had spotted her upside down plate and pulled her over sooner....when the evidence was still in the car and she was covered in blood.
    Her rental was returned without floor mats and with red stains on the seats that she claimed was koolaid. That's if I remember the last 500+ pages correctly.

    I think she was stealthy. She had locked the doors and that could have been as a way for notice when someone got home. If she heard a knob grabbed that gave her time to slip out the dog door. Remember she had time to check his texts, emails, and voicemail after the death too. She could have been locked in the office or his room and slipped out when Enrique changed or went in his room. It seems like 30min isn't long enough for all that.

    I don't know how the roommates didn't see blood in the laundry room since you have to walk through it to get into the garage and they used the garage door code as a way to get in and out of the house. The roommates didn't have keys.

    Since many of the shower pics were poorly lit/posed I'm guessing she was poking her arm around the corner and just snapping shots. I do see surprise and fear in his face compared to other pics of him. I think it speaks volumes when all his friends automatically named her and said she was a stalker, fatal attraction type, showed up randomly often and would be found in the house without notice. She showed her crazy for so long and he never really did anything about it. Maybe it was a weird ego boost to have someone so infatuated with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morbidT View Post
    I think Travis knew she was taking the pics. Some of the angles on the pics wouldn't allow for her to be creeping in a closet. Some of the pics look like she is on the ground taking an upward pic. How could he not see her creeping around on the floor?

    I'm also not convinced the gun shot was the last thing to have happened. There have been plenty of 'I survived' type stories where people have suffered injuries that should have killed/incapacitated/made them retarded, kind of injuries, but didn't. Think about the x-ray pics that show impalement of objects in the brain (knives, scissors, fence posts, sticks, arrows) and the person was conscious, no mental status changes, went to surgery to have the object removed and went on with their lives. They didn't suffer a huge amount of bleeding within the brain from these injuries. I saw a story on one guy who had a nail in his head for days. He didn't realize he shot himself with a power nail thingy.
    I honestly think the first injury was the gunshot (although, I can be swayed as I don't know the trajectory of the bullet). It didn't incapacitate him and he was able to put up a struggle. I believe it injured him and that is how Jodi was able to over power him.
    The bullet went from top of his right brow to bottom of the left cheek (so downward angle at 2-3 feet away) and there was zero bleeding or hemorrhaging from it which most likely means his heart wasn't pumping or he had already experienced massive blood loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheeppiss View Post
    Nice. Finally saw the infamous butthole pic.
    He did a bit of damage to it, didn't he. The jurors might feel slightly sympathetic after seeing her butthole and vag. ...they looked like they were hurting for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    You tease. Watermark and post em.
    Total tease!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    I have a question for everyone who thinks Jodi is guilty and acted alone:

    If Travis were currently on trial for beating the snot out of Jodi, how would you feel about his innocence? If his claim was that he acted in self-defense because she was coming at him with a knife, so he knocked it away and beat her bloody, what would you think? Would you say "he was scared and totally justified to react the way he did" or would you call shenanigans and say he was a big bully that beat up his girlfriend.

    And in this hypothetical, she's alive. No wait......fuck that. She's dead. He clocked her once, she hit her head on the dresser on her way down. Boom...dead. Not here to tell her side of the story.

    So, do you believe his self-defense claim? Do you believe he was right to fear for his life when his lady-friend was coming at him?

    First of all, your story is super shallow. We know nothing of the hypothetical evidence at the scene. That would make all the difference. We're there weapons, who's fingerprints were on them, what was the story leading up to the fight, etc. To just say we should imagine the tables turned, well, that's not so easy to do.

    Second, a kid I grew up with killed his wife and said it was self defense. He cut her body up and put her in a box in the garage. Then moved his girlfriend into the house to care for his two year old daughter. When the truth came out, two months later, he claimed self defense. He ended up pleading 2nd degree, and I think got 15 years. It was interesting to hear people who knew his wife with him talk about their ideas of this self defense theory. It wasn't unbelievable. And he cut her body up and hid it for two months. And used her phone to txt her family and shit. Murders are ugly and messy and not easy to sort out. But, not for one second do I think Jodi was doing this in self defense. Unlike my former classmate, Jodi's crime came after much preparation and travel and intent.

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    Here's a woman that shot her husband then dragged his body to the maid's room before cutting up his body parts....then dumping them on a road.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arts-city.html

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    Rather than replying to quotes, my thoughts on some of the above ~ just ideas, no one really knows except her

    She got there at 4 a.m. It must have taken her a while to seduce him, if he was waiting all hot and bothered, the sex would have started earlier. I don't think he wanted her to 'stop by'.
    He really did want to find a Mormon wife and put this 'sin' behind.

    He was not having sex with anyone else, Mimi would unlikely stop by and see his bed.

    She already knew he did not love her, and he knew she was nuts, so i doubt he would taunt her about his trip with Mimi (did Mimi and Lisa know each other, share notes about Jodi? Cause Jodi is why Lisa broke it off, even though her blog said she was in love w/him) or try to purposely antagonize her. He had already expressed to that Dr. friend (father of an earlier roommate that kind of took Travis in as a family member since he parents were deceased) that was on HLN "don't be surprised if I don't show up for dinner some Sunday" referring to her.

    I have no doubt if she takes the stand she will be in all her glory, answering in the sweet innocent manner she did Flores in the interrogation room. Will she put her spell on just one male juror?

    The autopsy report says it was a single edged knife, ruling out a hunting knife, they are double edged and have a guard so your hand doesn't slip from the blood while you are butchering the animal and also to keep it in the scabbard. The knife obviously slipped, she had cuts on the inside of her fingers. (And had bandaids on the trip.) The fact her cuts were not deep was another break for her.

    The keroscene can - hmmm. If it was for rinsing hair, a plastic jug or gallon jugs would have been more manageable. Two gas station receipts at the same time could mean the fuel was to burn the clothes and weapons. She had on dark clothes as seen in the dragging photo to not show the blood as she walked out in case a neighbor was outside. She had limited time to beat it before Enrique arrived. Yes it is still light here in June until around 8.

    The upside down license plate was so it would be hard to take down by witnesses, but stupid because it is something you would get pulled over for. Police pull people over for dumb things like no brake light and then sometimes smell pot or alcohol, so that was a big risk.

    Why would she drive all the way to UT to spend less than a day? What was her hurry getting back to Yreka?

    There did seem to be a lot of credit card receipts, as well as the cash one from Walmart. Why did she save them?

    This week is going to maka me crazzzy, i just know it. We are going to hear Travis dragged through the mud, because all they have to try to save a murderer is to trash the victim.

    ~ What if - imagine if Travis had been able to stop her, would he have killed her or just gotten away and called police. And would anyone have believed him that it was self defense? The pictures would have helped him. The gun would be there to show she took it from grandma. Too many ifs................

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    Quote Originally Posted by morbidT View Post
    I think Travis knew she was taking the pics. Some of the angles on the pics wouldn't allow for her to be creeping in a closet. Some of the pics look like she is on the ground taking an upward pic. How could he not see her creeping around on the floor?

    I'm also not convinced the gun shot was the last thing to have happened. There have been plenty of 'I survived' type stories where people have suffered injuries that should have killed/incapacitated/made them retarded, kind of injuries, but didn't. Think about the x-ray pics that show impalement of objects in the brain (knives, scissors, fence posts, sticks, arrows) and the person was conscious, no mental status changes, went to surgery to have the object removed and went on with their lives. They didn't suffer a huge amount of bleeding within the brain from these injuries. I saw a story on one guy who had a nail in his head for days. He didn't realize he shot himself with a power nail thingy.
    I honestly think the first injury was the gunshot (although, I can be swayed as I don't know the trajectory of the bullet). It didn't incapacitate him and he was able to put up a struggle. I believe it injured him and that is how Jodi was able to over power him.
    BUT how do you explian the shell casing lying on a pool of blood, with no blood on top of it showing it was not kicked there later, that it had to fall and remain there?

    The trajectory was it entered above the right eye and lodged in the left cheek. She is shorter so had to be above him. Like while he is sitting there?? but that darn shell casing...

    He became aware of her snapping pics, but I think he thought she had left so was surprised when he realized it with the WTF are you doing? look on his face.

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    I was watching this short Youtube video and at the end they bring up another woman that is on AZ death row in which Juan Martinez was the prosecutor. She too claimed self-defense - though she actually proclaimed self defense from day 1. Here is more info on that case: http://murderpedia.org/female.A/a/andriano-wendi.htm

    So as nervous as I am about how this defense is going to try to paint Travis as a monster that forced Jodi to brutally murder him, I'm not worried that Mr. Martinez knows what he's doing and will tear the defense apart.

    Ready for this show to get back on the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by morbidT View Post
    I think Travis knew she was taking the pics. Some of the angles on the pics wouldn't allow for her to be creeping in a closet. Some of the pics look like she is on the ground taking an upward pic. How could he not see her creeping around on the floor?

    I'm also not convinced the gun shot was the last thing to have happened. There have been plenty of 'I survived' type stories where people have suffered injuries that should have killed/incapacitated/made them retarded, kind of injuries, but didn't. Think about the x-ray pics that show impalement of objects in the brain (knives, scissors, fence posts, sticks, arrows) and the person was conscious, no mental status changes, went to surgery to have the object removed and went on with their lives. They didn't suffer a huge amount of bleeding within the brain from these injuries. I saw a story on one guy who had a nail in his head for days. He didn't realize he shot himself with a power nail thingy.
    I honestly think the first injury was the gunshot (although, I can be swayed as I don't know the trajectory of the bullet). It didn't incapacitate him and he was able to put up a struggle. I believe it injured him and that is how Jodi was able to over power him.
    All of this.

    It's clear, at least to me, that Travis was posing in some of those pictures. I think the frustrated looks and the off-guard shots of him were just more of "OK, enough is enough. I'm over it and my roommates will be home soon so you have to gtfo of here now hoochie."

    I'm not convinced he was shot last either. The gun casing being on top of the blood spot on the floor could have gotten there by any means. The casing could have dropped in another location on the floor, kicked and landed on top of the blood spot. There was blood everywhere in that bathroom, so finding a blood spot for a casing to land on wouldn't have been hard.

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    Can anyone repost the picture of the back stabs that was put up a few pages back? For some reason I can't see the original one that was posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtlebcrazy View Post
    Can anyone repost the picture of the back stabs that was put up a few pages back? For some reason I can't see the original one that was posted.
    here you go

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfenderbender View Post
    BUT how do you explian the shell casing lying on a pool of blood, with no blood on top of it showing it was not kicked there later, that it had to fall and remain there?

    The trajectory was it entered above the right eye and lodged in the left cheek. She is shorter so had to be above him. Like while he is sitting there?? but that darn shell casing...

    He became aware of her snapping pics, but I think he thought she had left so was surprised when he realized it with the WTF are you doing? look on his face.

    I think there is a possibility the shell casing was kicked or scooted. Just because there isn't blood all over it doesn't mean it couldn't have been moved, imo.

    So the trajectory is she had to be above him? The last pic before the ceiling pic is that of Travis sitting in the shower, right? She would have been above him and shot him in the shower. He was stunned and the struggle began.

    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    All of this.

    It's clear, at least to me, that Travis was posing in some of those pictures. I think the frustrated looks and the off-guard shots of him were just more of "OK, enough is enough. I'm over it and my roommates will be home soon so you have to gtfo of here now hoochie."

    I'm not convinced he was shot last either. The gun casing being on top of the blood spot on the floor could have gotten there by any means. The casing could have dropped in another location on the floor, kicked and landed on top of the blood spot. There was blood everywhere in that bathroom, so finding a blood spot for a casing to land on wouldn't have been hard.
    This is what I'm saying. How many programs have we all seen where the case was broken wide open by a speck of blood? Weird shit happens all the time. Gotta think outside of the box.

    I think she shot him, he stumble out of the shower to get away and that's when she started stabbing him.


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    ..... it wasn't anything personal, she just mistook him for a serial killer......

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