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    There are limits to the questions, the can't ask her if she did it!

    If I'm on trial, I sure hope the jury can have their questions answered. I want them to have NO question that I didn't kill him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    How have I not read this book yet?? I'll have to get it downloaded right away. Looks like a great (and frightening) read. I am a HUGE book reader...I probably read 50 books at least a year...sometimes many more. Thanks for the book tip...I'm always looking for new things to read. That is actually what gave me an interest in true crime...I was needing something new to read. I started with the Jeffrey MacDonald book. I have to be careful to not read only true crime genre. It gets to where I am scared and can't sleep at night.
    So jealous. I dunno how people do this shit.

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    hahaha...that is funny. I think my husband is a little worried about my interest in true crime (not really, but maybe.) I think about the web search evidence that comes out in trials. God only knows what they would make of me based on my web searches and posts if I am ever accused of murder!
    Probably only worried that now you know what people do wrong, learned from their mistakes, and can now get away with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Lady View Post
    I have been into true crime since I read "The Girl In The Box" many, many years ago. If you haven't been to the true crime book thread, head over. Lots of great book suggestions.MDS's own, Statro wrote a great book. I loved her stories!

    I followed that Casey Anthony case closely. Now Jodi. My husband knows, he tolerates it. Lol
    I wish I knew how to read.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Lady View Post
    I have been into true crime since I read "The Girl In The Box" many, many years ago. If you haven't been to the true crime book thread, head over. Lots of great book suggestions.MDS's own, Statro wrote a great book. I loved her stories!

    I followed that Casey Anthony case closely. Now Jodi. My husband knows, he tolerates it. Lol
    Thanks, I'll check it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Lady View Post
    There are limits to the questions, the can't ask her if she did it!

    If I'm on trial, I sure hope the jury can have their questions answered. I want them to have NO question that I didn't kill him.
    Ha, I meant a set number of questions.
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    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Lady View Post
    I have been into true crime since I read "The Girl In The Box" many, many years ago.
    I read that one. My first true crime book was Helter Skelter when I was about 19.
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    hahaha...that is funny. I think my husband is a little worried about my interest in true crime (not really, but maybe.) I think about the web search evidence that comes out in trials. God only knows what they would make of me based on my web searches and posts if I am ever accused of murder!
    My husband knows all, just in case something happens and the cops are like "why the hell was she googling amitriptyline suicide cocktails and lethal doses?"

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    Prosecution..."She was so obsessed with the macabre that she joined a forum called "MyDeath Space"!!!!! She is guilty!!"
    This is all my family would hear. I liked Unsolved Mysteries as a kid and my mom thought it was so gross. If she only knew...

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    PT is Prosecution Team, sorry. I feel Jeff Ashton did prove murder. Why cover up a pool drowning? What was the chloroform and duct tape for? I know a lot of people don't agree, but I honestly feel the she should have been found guilty. I believe she murdered Caylee. I also believe Jodi premeditated Travis' murder. I hope Jodi is found guilty.

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    Ron, they can't ask anything that would violate her right to a fair trial. That's why the judge reviews them first. She past through a few and didn't ask them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Lady View Post
    Ron, they can't ask anything that would violate her right to a fair trial. That's why the judge reviews them first. She past through a few and didn't ask them.
    I don't mean the content, I mean how many they get to ask (e.g. one question, two questions, three questions, four questions).
    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Ron was the best part, hands down.

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    I'm so dumb! Sorry! I don't know. She has only read a few. I'm sure they can't ask too many, that would take too long.

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    I haven't seen this posted on this thread. - at least not in the last few weeks or so. This video was posted by Travis onto his last blog entry. Its him doing is motivational speaking thing for PrePaid Legal.
    It was loaded on 5/16/08 but it doesn't indicate that that was near the time of the event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    As much as it pissed me off at the time, I actually understand their reasoning. They did not feel that the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that it was a murder rather than an accidental death. I'm not sure wah PT stands for, but it was absolutely up to the state to prove to the jury that a murder took place. They didn't, at least in the eyes of the jury.



    My friends and family all know that I am fascinated by true crime. My daughter is too. We used to watch Investigation Discovery all the time when we had cable. We called it "The Murder Channel".
    Based on everything I have seen and read, the jury's decision ultimately hinged on Dr. G's findings. She couldn't give a COD. Also, they vigorously tried to discredit Dr.G for not opening the skull, but she knew if she did that with the skull being dry as a bone (no pun intended) that it would crumble to pieces. The defense brought in their own expert who did open the skull and it did exactly that, crumbled. He found nothing but dirt inside. However, the defense has browbeaten the jury so much about the way Dr. G conducted the autopsy (which I thought was impeccable) that he was able to create credibility doubt. If it hadn't been for these issues, she likely would have been found guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Joy View Post
    I haven't seen this posted on this thread. - at least not in the last few weeks or so. This video was posted by Travis onto his last blog entry. Its him doing is motivational speaking thing for PrePaid Legal.
    It was loaded on 5/16/08 but it doesn't indicate that that was near the time of the event.
    I saw that. So sad.

    Was he a jerk to her? Probably. But, it was a two way street with the two of them. Did he deserve to be murdered because of it? Obviously not. I really think that all the people who have come forward saying what a great guy he was are probably right. You don't get that many people saying that if it isn't at least mostly true. The only person saying he was a jerk is Jodi...and that is only after she changed her story to self-defense. Before that she was all "he was the best guy ever, he was so good to me, he was my best friend, etc."

    Regardless...even if he was the biggest JERK in the world, he did NOT deserve to be murdered. I HATE that the defense is going to try to justify what she did. Sickening. More of the "blame the victim" stuff. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Lady View Post
    PT is Prosecution Team, sorry. I feel Jeff Ashton did prove murder. Why cover up a pool drowning? What was the chloroform and duct tape for? I know a lot of people don't agree, but I honestly feel the she should have been found guilty. I believe she murdered Caylee. I also believe Jodi premeditated Travis' murder. I hope Jodi is found guilty.
    I think Casey is guilty too, but I wasn't on the jury. We saw a lot of things that the jury didn't and we had access to a lot of info that the jury didn't. Obviously, based on the evidence presented in court, the jury felt that murder wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I was pissed at the time.
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11...55275691_zpid/
    Real estate is dirt cheap in Az. I wonder if new owner Mr. Abram Woodward knows someone was murdered there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    Based on everything I have seen and read, the jury's decision ultimately hinged on Dr. G's findings. She couldn't give a COD. Also, they vigorously tried to discredit Dr.G for not opening the skull, but she knew if she did that with the skull being dry as a bone (no pun intended) that it would crumble to pieces. The defense brought in their own expert who did open the skull and it did exactly that, crumbled. He found nothing but dirt inside. However, the defense has browbeaten the jury so much about the way Dr. G conducted the autopsy (which I thought was impeccable) that he was able to create credibility doubt. If it hadn't been for these issues, she likely would have been found guilty.
    You are not wrong. I can't even start discussing that trial. It's a rabbit hole that sends me down to a dark place where I am so upset. I just can't go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    Based on everything I have seen and read, the jury's decision ultimately hinged on Dr. G's findings. She couldn't give a COD. Also, they vigorously tried to discredit Dr.G for not opening the skull, but she knew if she did that with the skull being dry as a bone (no pun intended) that it would crumble to pieces. The defense brought in their own expert who did open the skull and it did exactly that, crumbled. He found nothing but dirt inside. However, the defense has browbeaten the jury so much about the way Dr. G conducted the autopsy (which I thought was impeccable) that he was able to create credibility doubt. If it hadn't been for these issues, she likely would have been found guilty.
    Yeah, expert testimony depends a lot on whether or not the jury finds the expert credible and trustworthy.
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11...55275691_zpid/
    Real estate is dirt cheap in Az. I wonder if new owner Mr. Abram Woodward knows someone was murdered there.
    I was reading the beginning of the thread yesterday and there was lots of discussion about if you could imagine living in that house, or any house that someone had been murdered in.

    Me? No way. I don't believe in ghosts at all, but I would not be able to not picture what happened there.

    I asked someone once in real estate here if they had to disclose if someone had been murdered or died at a property. She said they did not have to tell you unless you asked. Note to self...always ask!

    (Who is Abram Woodward?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11...55275691_zpid/
    Real estate is dirt cheap in Az. I wonder if new owner Mr. Abram Woodward knows someone was murdered there.
    I mentioned this before, but that house is way out in East, East Mesa, in the boondocks. That's why it's so cheap.
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    You are not wrong. I can't even start discussing that trial. It's a rabbit hole that sends me down to a dark place where I am so upset. I just can't go there.
    I know how you feel.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeebee View Post
    Yeah, expert testimony depends a lot on whether or not the jury finds the expert credible and trustworthy.
    It really does, but I was baffled by those jurors. Who doesn't find Dr. G credible?! The fraud that the defense brought in was laughable. At least to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice11 View Post
    I was reading the beginning of the thread yesterday and there was lots of discussion about if you could imagine living in that house, or any house that someone had been murdered in.

    Me? No way. I don't believe in ghosts at all, but I would not be able to not picture what happened there.

    I asked someone once in real estate here if they had to disclose if someone had been murdered or died at a property. She said they did not have to tell you unless you asked. Note to self...always ask!

    (Who is Abram Woodward?)
    Woodward is the owner now.

    Like you, it isn't a ghost thing with me, but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night reenacting in my head how it could have happened. No thanks.

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    Traci Edwards Hovel is on playing on "Wedding Confidential" as an actress planning a retirement party for her dad. Check it out! She's awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    It depends on the state. Years ago I worked for a woman who also was a real estate broker and she told me that they had to disclose murder or suicide in a property. This was in Texas about 15 years ago so I'm not sure if that's still the case.
    Yes, I think you are right. It is different for each state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassHat View Post
    It really does, but I was baffled by those jurors. Who doesn't find Dr. G credible?! The fraud that the defense brought in was laughable. At least to me.
    I can't really answer that. They may not have known who she is, or if they did know who she was, they may have had opinions about her going in. Or they may have been put off by her. She did come across maybe a little arrogant. Who knows.
    "...Jeffrey Dahmer... actually confessed and accepted his punishment. Had real remorse for the sick things he did. It's pretty bad when Jeffrey Dahmer is a better person than you are." ~Justice11 (re: Jodi Arias)

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