Julie Mott (25) died from Cystic Fibrosis and her remains were stolen from the funeral home

[bermstalker]

Olivia you're either a real cunt or an 8 year old child. Being that you're up at 4am, let's go with the former

I was Julie's whole world before we broke up and its my biggest regret that I didn't realize it until it was too late.
It's something I'll never forgive myself for.

You sound like an immature child that likes name calling. You've called people fat and cunts. I really hope that's not the real way you talk to women, but sadly, it probably is.

You keep saying you are the only one talking about Julie, but you must have missed the first couple of pages of this thread. That's when a lot of members on here posted about what a wonderful woman she seemed to be.
Are you really just taking a dig at her family/brother? Maybe you feel they should write tons of memorial post about Julie? Why would they want to do that now when you've already filled countless pages about YOU and your issues?

You seem to be on a mission to destroy and hurt Julie's family. You're hurt by what ever imaginary thing you think they've done to you.

I was Julie's whole world before we broke up

That's a really odd statement. Most men would say "Julie was my whole world before we broke up" but not you. You say "I was Julie's whole world"

Your ego is huge.
I really believe you thought about your relationship way different than Julie was. Just re listen to the recorded conversation you had with her.

[Heartbroken1]

I want to say one last thing that I hope Jon reads when he wakes up and I really fucking hope it sticks in his mind....

Your sisters body wasn't stolen Jon.
There has to be a reason why they gave you her belongings with the exception of my ring and those people at the funeral home heard me say that it was something I gave her.

The first thing I said when I saw her was " Oh my God, she's wearing my ring".

Those are the same people that your father told to watch me in case I steal something.

Those people didn't like your family Jon.
When I lived with you, it was in a house that I found for your parents when Dick fired your Dad.

If the motive for whatever happened is supposed to be based on the idea that the person didn't want her cremated, I don't think you would have gotten any of her belongings back.


Little side note: when you had mentioned what the "last straw" was for him... about how I had asked him to stop off at the store...
That was at Julie's request.

[Heartbroken1]

I'm already starting to see the little tid bits that you'll pull out of that statement to try to make your case against me...

Julie was my whole world @bermstalker
It's foolish of me to think anyone could stick with the facts to try to help figure this out.

It's so so sad that people can't put bullshit and animosity aside.
This isn't an epitaph and might have actually been useful if more people were willing to help.

[bermstalker]

How are we suppose to help? We're not cops.
We can't track down the body snatcher. We're a group of people that talk about crimes on the internet. That's all we do...TALK.

[Heartbroken.my.ass]

I want to say one last thing that I hope Jon reads when he wakes up and I really fucking hope it sticks in his mind....

Your sisters body wasn't stolen Jon.
There has to be a reason why they gave you her belongings with the exception of my ring and those people at the funeral home heard me say that it was something I gave her.

The first thing I said when I saw her was " Oh my God, she's wearing my ring".

Those are the same people that your father told to watch me in case I steal something.

Those people didn't like your family Jon.
When I lived with you, it was in a house that I found for your parents when Dick fired your Dad.

If the motive for whatever happened is supposed to be based on the idea that the person didn't want her cremated, I don't think you would have gotten any of her belongings back.


Little side note: when you had mentioned what the "last straw" was for him... about how I had asked him to stop off at the store...
That was at Julie's request.

Three things:

1. Not the ring you gave her. You told my mom it was the ring you gave Julie at the funeral. She didn't feel it appropriate or have the heart to tell you otherwise.

2. I guess I didn't make it clear before. We DO NOT have any of Julie's jewelry that she was wearing.

3. You're completely right Bill. Five years after firing my dad, Dick thought to himself "now I'm really going to fuck with this guy". Because that makes sense. You see unlike you most people see a big difference between right and wrong.

[blighted star]

I really shouldn't allow myself to be bothered by anything any of you say.
As angry as some of you may get, this is still new to you.
I'm thankful for having an outlet.

So many people close to me have asked that I stop talking about it and move on.
Really wasn't raised that way.
Not to mention that those people are just as much outsiders to me.

I wish the media hadn't equated my love for obsession. She deserved better
I was madly in love with her but may have been "obsessed" with the idea of impossible things.

I keep getting dragged into this because I'm so much a part of it but it's awful.

I guess I really can't share our story.
Just gonna keep it to myself.

LOL at least some of us are Australian & in that context swearing is not necessarily a sign of anger.

In this instance I wouldn't argue if you'd said "contempt" instead though.



Also :



Waaahhhh "I really shouldn't allow myself to be bothered by anything any of you say".


You just called Olivia a cunt. You've gone above & beyond to insult Julie's family - do you think she'd love you for that if she was here? Seriously mate, you're in no position to be whining.



& for the record, back when I had quite a lot of sympathy for you I told you to quit while you were ahead? Do you remember that?


Nah. Didn't think so. You've filled at least 10 more pages with self-serving drivel since then.



Anyway, that was a classic narcissistic deflection there. You just realised you didn't notice the location on some of our profiles & you're annoyed because you like to think you're the more intelligent person in every conversation - so you completely ignore your own glaring error & focus on something the other parties have done. Hey, & if you can simultaneously try & make yourself look even more of a victim it's all the better, right?

[emylou]

The first thing I said when I saw her was " Oh my God, she's wearing my ring".

Of course it was the first thing you said. It was about you ffs

Multiple people (not me, I think you are a fucking douche bag) here have given you great advice and offered you support. Boston, Blighted, MorbidT, Berm, Bryan, Kevan and there may be more but you don't fucking listen.

You are a redundant egotistical imbecile.

[Bewitchingstorm]

Olivia you're either a real cunt or an 8 year old child. Being that you're up at 4am, let's go with the former

I was Julie's whole world before we broke up and its my biggest regret that I didn't realize it until it was too late.
It's something I'll never forgive myself for.

Seriously, dude? It was bad enough to call a lady fat but now you are calling our Olivia a cunt? Fuck you and your narcism.

[Heartbroken.my.ass]

Bill,

I apologize for not asking this before. What is your theory of the events that took place after Julie's funeral? Please don't say I don't know because everyone has a theory. I just want to know yours.

[Boston Babe 73]

By the looks of it, he's been given a time out. So I wouldn't expect any answers for a while.

[sarabei]

You sound like a fat person.

Are you fat...... "beth"?

And that matters exactly how? I am fat, so what? Lame Lame, reinforces the opinion I have been forming all along in this thread.

[sarabei]

Even if he has a time out I am responding to this for if/when he comes back.

You are def. a narcissist, I picked up on that right away. More people on here have given you the benefit of the doubt than I feel you deserve. You call people names you think will incite them to anger or hurt them. I don't know if you stole Julie's body, but I am think either you did or the funeral home made a horrendous mistake. No way do I think a funeral home did this to "get back" at someone. I can see someone who is obsessed stealing the body, its happened before. Sadly we may never know exactly or it could be many years from now. The true victims in this tragedy are her family and friends because they will never have closure and Julie's wishes aren't being honored; which for those who know what love is and really LOVED her is what is/was most important as a final way to honor her. THAT is the tragedy and who the victims are in this. Not. You. You are sadistic to continue putting her family through this and I pray you are found out if you did steal her body.

[Key West Digger]

I have two theories.

1) Is their crematory on site? Was the casket a rental/ceremonial unit (a unit that is used for services and then body is removed and placed in a cremation container for cremation)? Possible that she was removed from the casket and cremated by the weekend staff on Saturday so they didn't need to come back to work Sunday. In their haste paperwork was misplaced and the Monday staff placed the unmarked ashes with the "Scatters".

2) If Ms. Motts' body was stolen, it had to be an inside job. It's not an easy task to remove a body from a casket embalmed or not. Especially one person, this I can attest to. Then you would need a cot (mortician's stretcher) or gurney to move the remains from point A to point B and a vehicle for transport. I don't think it was to sell "body parts" simply because of the lenght of time from death to service date and that she was embalmed (I assumed by the fact she was left in a hall/chapel following the services).

I'm more intrigued now that it's mentioned the casket was damaged. The damage would denote whether it was done by staff or by a lay person. It would also show fingerprints of staff or the lay person in different places. I doubt that a lay person would practice Universal Precaution by wearing gloves. Interesting.

[blighted star]

Bill,

I apologize for not asking this before. What is your theory of the events that took place after Julie's funeral? Please don't say I don't know because everyone has a theory. I just want to know yours.

Timeout or not he won't be able to stop himself.


Expect the next instalment to appear on facebook

[blighted star]

Question for family - Do you know if they have out of hours cleaning or maintenance staff, or if they use an after hours security firm at the funeral home?


Also, whoever did this obviously had to use a vehicle. Any chance of getting an accredited dog handler to check over certain vehicles & rule them in or out?

[Boston Babe 73]

I'd love to know who these "numerous persons of interest" were in the beginning and how they ruled them out so quickly.

SAPD spokesman Sgt. Javier Salazar said numerous persons of interest thought to have had a hand in the theft of Julie Mott’s corpse from the Mission Park Funeral Chapel North facility, 3401 Cherry Ridge Drive, have come and gone, but there has not been enough evidence gathered against anyone to warrant an arrest.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local...re-6463988.php

Also, I read back on this thread and I recommend others do too. They instantly ruled out the funeral home from the very beginning and pretty much let Dick Tips lead the investigation almost treating him like a police investigator or something. That shit doesn't sit well with me. At all.

[songbirdsong]

Question for family - Do you know if they have out of hours cleaning or maintenance staff, or if they use an after hours security firm at the funeral home?

Also, whoever did this obviously had to use a vehicle. Any chance of getting an accredited dog handler to check over certain vehicles & rule them in or out?

Interesting that he wrecked his car around the time this all went down. Dunno how bad it was or when exactly it happened, but still. Could be relevant, maybe not.

ETA: We have to accept that not all details of the investigation can be made public at this time. You don't show your hand, especially when the suspect is a total blabbermouth. You just wait.

[TupeloHoney]

I'm more intrigued now that it's mentioned the casket was damaged. The damage would denote whether it was done by staff or by a lay person. It would also show fingerprints of staff or the lay person in different places. I doubt that a lay person would practice Universal Precaution by wearing gloves. Interesting.

I wondered about fingerprints, too. I'm guessing there would be a lot of different prints on that casket following the service. And since Bill was the last one to see her, he could certainly use that as an excuse for his prints being all over it.

I'd love to know who these "numerous persons of interest" were in the beginning and how they ruled them out so quickly.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local...re-6463988.php

Also, I read back on this thread and I recommend others do too. They instantly ruled out the funeral home from the very beginning and pretty much let Dick Tips lead the investigation almost treating him like a police investigator or something. That shit doesn't sit well with me. At all.

I've read the thread several times, and what I notice is a lot of "tunnel vision" against Dick Tips from the get-go ... there are pages of people talking about what a terrible, creepy guy he is. He's weird, he's fat, yada yada yada. What I don't see is any indication that he was put in charge of the investigation. He spoke to the press because this is personal for him. It's his family's 100-year-old business, and he knows Julie and her family personally. Of course he would want to be involved with the searches along with her friends and family.

Dick Tips, his wife and all of the funeral home employees took and passed polygraphs ... only Bill refuses to take one. But yet somehow we should still be super suspicious of Dick Tips, but not Bill? I can't wrap my head around that.

Interesting that he wrecked his car around the time this all went down. Dunno how bad it was or when exactly it happened, but still. Could be relevant, maybe not.

ETA: We have to accept that not all details of the investigation can be made public at this time. You don't show your hand, especially when the suspect is a total blabbermouth. You just wait.

Amen. Investigators never tell the public everything.

Bill has revealed so much in his posts here, and I'm sure LE has found it all very helpful. There's definitely something going on with this ring issue ... I can't quite figure it out, but I think it's significant.

And Bill's insistence that the funeral home should have noticed she was missing sooner than they did is really quite revealing, as Jon already pointed out.

[animosity]

I've worked in a funeral home, and bodies are sort of like, set it and forget it. We really had nothing to do with them between the time of the viewing and the following day's service. Their casket would be wheeled to a room somewhere and left until it was time to go to the church or cemetery. In cases where there was no need for the chapel for another family, they would just stay up at the front until it was time. Flowers and all.

[strozzapreti]

I'm already starting to see the little tid bits that you'll pull out of that statement to try to make your case against me...

Julie was my whole world @bermstalker
It's foolish of me to think anyone could stick with the facts to try to help figure this out.

It's so so sad that people can't put bullshit and animosity aside.
This isn't an epitaph and might have actually been useful if more people were willing to help.

The fact is that, despite it being pointed out to you many times, you still fail to stop making everything about Julie and your relationship with her about YOU. Pointing it out IS sticking with the facts, as it's one of the biggest red flags about your behaviour, and it makes you look suspicious. The fact that even after it's been pointed out to you, you still can't help yourself from doing it is quite telling about what a big issue it is.

You claim to be talking about Julie, or telling the story of your relationship with her, but what you are really doing is going on and on and on about how it all has to do with YOU. For example, in your post about your dates together, there were lots and lots of "I"'s. The story about your relationship with someone else rarely used the phrase "we", and mostly pointed out the things that involved you. You even ended it with a lament about yourself. In fact, even when you are trying to tell a story that includes Julie in it, it someone involves how much you meant to her or how it all made you feel.

At first, I really tried not to read too much into your phrasing, but the fact that it's constant and you seem unable to control yourself shows how truly narcissistic you are. There is a world of difference between declaring that you are the center of someone's world versus they are the center of yours. I think that statement captured your true personality and feelings. It's not about bullshit and animosity. Considering you're a suspect, paying attention to your actions and behaviour is not bullshit. I don't harbour animosity towards you, I just think you are incredibly narcissistic and your actions and words are abnormal and suspicious as fuck.

[selfhelper]

most people are self involved as u can see, julie probably had too much of that in her life. only knew her for less than a year. she was a very special person remember this before anything.

[TupeloHoney]

I've worked in a funeral home, and bodies are sort of like, set it and forget it. We really had nothing to do with them between the time of the viewing and the following day's service. Their casket would be wheeled to a room somewhere and left until it was time to go to the church or cemetery. In cases where there was no need for the chapel for another family, they would just stay up at the front until it was time. Flowers and all.

That's what I kinda figured. And that's why I find it so bothersome that Bill keeps insisting they should have noticed sooner ... and all his blabbering about the family coming to get the flowers and all that. Like Jon pointed out, Bill seems to know that anyone who saw her casket should have noticed something was amiss.

The fact is that, despite it being pointed out to you many times, you still fail to stop making everything about Julie and your relationship with her about YOU. Pointing it out IS sticking with the facts, as it's one of the biggest red flags about your behaviour, and it makes you look suspicious. The fact that even after it's been pointed out to you, you still can't help yourself from doing it is quite telling about what a big issue it is.

You claim to be talking about Julie, or telling the story of your relationship with her, but what you are really doing is going on and on and on about how it all has to do with YOU. For example, in your post about your dates together, there were lots and lots of "I"'s. The story about your relationship with someone else rarely used the phrase "we", and mostly pointed out the things that involved you. You even ended it with a lament about yourself. In fact, even when you are trying to tell a story that includes Julie in it, it someone involves how much you meant to her or how it all made you feel.

At first, I really tried not to read too much into your phrasing, but the fact that it's constant and you seem unable to control yourself shows how truly narcissistic you are. There is a world of difference between declaring that you are the center of someone's world versus they are the center of yours. I think that statement captured your true personality and feelings. It's not about bullshit and animosity. Considering you're a suspect, paying attention to your actions and behaviour is not bullshit. I don't harbour animosity towards you, I just think you are incredibly narcissistic and your actions and words are abnormal and suspicious as fuck.

Speaking of his post about their dates ... uggghhh. It gave me serious flashback to my stalker ex-boyfriend. The first time we had to go to court, the judge basically asked him, "So, what's going on?" He answered by starting with the moment we met and gave a blow-by-blow of every freaking second of our relationship (and made sure to include any instance where I got drunk and threw up or smoked a joint, ffs). To this day, I still can't believe the judge sat there and listened to all that. However, on the upside, it just made my ex look crazy as hell and helped me get the restraining order.

Bill's post totally reminded me of that.



Anyway, you're right. Everything is about Bill. I lol'd when he said he's not going to bother anymore with people who don't give a shit about him ... as if any of this was ever about people giving a shit about him.

[TupeloHoney]

most people are self involved as u can see, julie probably had too much of that in her life. only knew her for less than a year. she was a very special person remember this before anything.

Thanks for sharing, and welcome :)

It seems like she was a very sweet young lady.

[animosity]

Bill's posts about his dates made me vomit in my mouth a little. Seriously. That was basically some bullshit deep teen romance drama shit.... And that's when she said it... I have cystic fibrosis... Blah blah blah, we looked at stars and I wished I could be strong for her. But instead I treated her like shit and was a lousy loser boyfriend.

[Fleta]

Do caskets lock? I thought it was just a hinged lid. Never given it much thought really. How does one open a casket "wrong"?