Father hides and abuses daughter for 24 years

[Ash_Lee]

[quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=13948.msg831635#msg831635 date=1209332495]
The kids might not of made noise in fear of punishment. Also if they have been down there all their lives, they know nothing different. If they had no education or even seen outside they must have been pretty quite and withdrawn. Not playing and being like children, with their mother drugged up they had little chance of anyone out side noticing really.


Surely the others in the house must of noticed he was spending alot of time in the basement where i guess they was not to go?
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I'm wondering now, were the three he took care of boys?  The three he kept in the basement were girls right?

[Hayalet]

one girl two boys in basement and two girls and another free.

[Circe]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=13948.msg831378#msg831378 date=1209323088]
Dude I seriously doubt this old man was ONLY abusive to his daughter.  he's obviously a sadistic psychopath.  My guess is the whole family was scared of him.
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ITA and am willing to bet the wife is somehow mentally "slow" at least. It seems all these guys find the girls who rode the short bus.

[Ash_Lee]

[quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=13948.msg831642#msg831642 date=1209332635]
one girl two boys in basement and two girls and another free.
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Oh.  Have they said what the 19 year old is suffering from?

[tgyta]

[quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=13948.msg831642#msg831642 date=1209332635]
one girl two boys in basement and two girls and another free.
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yea she had three boys and three girls one of the articles said...2 boys, one girl in cellar...2 girls, one boy not in cellar..

"The other three children -- Kerstin, 19; Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5 -- remained locked in the basement with their mother, according to police. "

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/27/austria.cellar/index.html

[SarcasticallySuicidal]

[quote author=Ash_Lee link=topic=13948.msg831656#msg831656 date=1209332866]
Oh.  Have they said what the 19 year old is suffering from?
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Yes, having a sick fuck for a father.

[Ash_Lee]

[quote author=tgyta link=topic=13948.msg831658#msg831658 date=1209332930]
yea she had three boys and three girls one of the articles said...2 boys, one girl in cellar...2 girls, one boy not in cellar..

"The other three children -- Kerstin, 19; Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5 -- remained locked in the basement with their mother, according to police. "

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/27/austria.cellar/index.html
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Thanks.

[Hayalet]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7370208.stm

Timeline: Austrian cellar case  
A timeline of events in the case of a woman in Amstetten, Austria, allegedly held and sexually abused by her father for 24 years in his cellar, during which time she is believed to have given birth to seven of his children.

The events included are based on an Austrian police statement issued after the arrest of the 73-year-old father.


28 AUGUST 1984
The suspected abductor, Josef F, allegedly lures his daughter Elisabeth into the cellar of their house, drugging and handcuffing her before locking her up.


DATE UNKNOWN
Josef and his wife Rosemarie receive a letter in Elisabeth's handwriting saying they should not try to look for her. Rosemarie is unaware of the truth, Elisabeth later tells police.


1988-89 (APPROXIMATELY)
Kerstin, the first of seven reported children, is secretly born (exact date unknown) and raised in the cellar. She is followed shortly by a brother.


1993
A baby is discovered outside the family home along with a letter from Elisabeth saying she cannot care for it. It is taken in by Josef and his wife. A second infant appears in 1994. Both are either fostered or adopted, and are raised by their grandparents.


1996
Twins are born to Elisabeth but one dies shortly after birth and is allegedly taken away and burnt by Josef. The following year, a third infant appears at the house, and is taken in like the previous two, to be raised by grandparents.


2003
A letter arrives from Elisabeth to say she had another baby in December 2002. This child is believed to have been brought up in the cellar along with Kerstin and her brother.


SATURDAY 19 APRIL 2008
Police issue an appeal to missing person Elisabeth F to contact them about her daughter Kerstin, who has been admitted to hospital in Amstetten with a serious illness.


19-27 APRIL 2008
At some point during the week, according to the police statement, Josef releases Elisabeth and the two other children in the cellar, telling his wife Rosemarie she has chosen to return home.


SATURDAY 26 APRIL 2008
Police discover Elisabeth and her children at the house.


SUNDAY 27 APRIL 2008
Police announce the arrest of Josef on suspicion of incest and abduction. All the children are placed in care and Elisabeth is given medical and psychological treatment. Kerstin remains in hospital "fighting for her life".

[titoswifey]

[quote author=aprilcarter29 link=topic=13948.msg831651#msg831651 date=1209332804]
ITA and am willing to bet the wife is somehow mentally "slow" at least. It seems all these guys find the girls who rode the short bus.
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  If its true what they are saying the daughter ran away supposedly and then proceeded to drop the children off at the door step at random times. The basement was locked with only a code he knew. The wife was probably suffering because her daughter went missing for 24 years. Where out of that story does the wife have to be mentally ill and riding the short bus?
 

[Ash_Lee]

Thanks for all the info Lozz!

[Circe]

[quote author=titoswifey link=topic=13948.msg831669#msg831669 date=1209333130]
  If its true what they are saying the daughter ran away supposedly and then proceeded to drop the children off at the door step at random times. The basement was locked with only a code he knew. The wife was probably suffering because her daughter went missing for 24 years. Where out of that story does the wife have to be mentally ill and riding the short bus?
 
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ALL of the crimes I have read involving sexual sadism and incest have involved a female partner who wasn't all there. Watch, you'll see.....

[bowieluva]

[quote author=aprilcarter29 link=topic=13948.msg832157#msg832157 date=1209350357]
ALL of the crimes I have read involving sexual sadism and incest have involved a female partner who wasn't all there. Watch, you'll see.....
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I dunno, I've read about several where the woman was a willing participant.

[Nocturnity]

This is some seriously twisted Flowers in the Attic kind of shit  :-o

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

I'm just wondering how sound proof the basement was. She gave birth 6 times and not a peep? I dunno, something sounds fishy with the wife... Mentally slow, willing participant, or just so wrapped up in her the idea her child is missing. It'll probably come out soon enough. I'm leaning to towards mental issues.

BTW, the Flowers in the Attic thing. Anyone else notice VC Andrews books always have the same theme. Makes ya wonder....

[Hayalet]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,30000-1314205,00.html

This link has photos of the children, mother, and house.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1097344.ece

This one has a drawing of how basement is layed out.

Can't post them as they are copyrighted and i don't know how to get round it!!

They have just shown a new photo of him and the hidden door :s

His sick daughter that was taken to hospital had a note in her pocket from her mother which is why they was hunting for her and as for the noise the place looks pretty sound proof, the house is big.

[leapfreak]

If I get arrested Lozz I'm naming you as an accomplice :lol:

[Hayalet]

Hahaha! When i clicked it, i was denied!!

As he has confessed... we can see his eyes... creepy

[leapfreak]

[quote author=Lozz*in*Wonderland link=topic=13948.msg832601#msg832601 date=1209381478]
Hahaha! When i clicked it, i was denied!!

As he has pleaded guilty... we can see his eyes... creepy


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So did I.  I accidentally right clicked again whilst the warning was up and it brought up the picture properties.  If anyone asks, I didn't see any warning and have no idea what we are talking about  ;)

He does have really creepy eyes.

[titoswifey]

[quote author=leapfreak link=topic=13948.msg832585#msg832585 date=1209380042]
If I get arrested Lozz I'm naming you as an accomplice :lol:


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Wow its the size of a 3 bedroom apartment!

[Hayalet]

Photos of it don't make it look so big.... waiting for bbc to update so i can put them on here.

[Hayalet]

Locked door way, i believe is looking from inside

More photos here-
http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,30200-1314205,00.html

I can't save them either!

[deeply shaded]

[quote author=TheFavoriteDaughter link=topic=13948.msg832536#msg832536 date=1209368143]
I'm just wondering how sound proof the basement was. She gave birth 6 times and not a peep? I dunno, something sounds fishy with the wife... Mentally slow, willing participant, or just so wrapped up in her the idea her child is missing. It'll probably come out soon enough. I'm leaning to towards mental issues.

BTW, the Flowers in the Attic thing. Anyone else notice VC Andrews books always have the same theme. Makes ya wonder....
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And babies cry. He either had this place totally soundproofed or the wife and neighbors were deaf.

[Circe]

WTF Austria? Their second top story: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1052785.ece

[Hayalet]

Yeah she was found a year or so ago after being missing for 8 years. She wasn't the first and she won't be the last.
Austria has a high number of crimes like this, quite a few well known serial killers too. Such a beautiful country tho.

[TheFavoriteDaughter]

The picture of the bathroom made me sad. Someone had tried to make it more cheery by putting drawings on the wall