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    PSA Airlines (AA owned regional) 5342 crashed into by an army Black Hawk helicopter while on approach to DCA

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...e03cfe1dc&ei=8

    An American Airlines regional jet went down in the Potomac River near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport after colliding with a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter, Wednesday night, prompting a multi-agency search-and-rescue operation, according to officials.

    The Federal Aviation Administration said preliminary information indicates a PSA Airlines Bombardier CRJ700 regional jet collided in midair with the helicopter while on approach to the airport around 9 p.m. local time.
    The airline confirmed that 60 passengers and four crew members were on board.
    I am putting this here because I can't imagine that there won't be fatalities on a crash into the Potomac River in January.

    ATC of the crash: https://archive.liveatc.net/kdca/KDC...2025-0130Z.mp3

    There's video out there of the crash and disintegration of the helicopter and plane. it's pretty brutal.
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    Was there lack of communication with air traffic control? Or does a helicopter not have to report to them? I dont know these things.

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    rump fired 400 FAA senior officials, the TSA head, and 3,000 air traffic controllers just 8 days ago. From what I've seen, however, the helicopter was flying dark and not broadcasting it's ads-b-data. (from this article https://www.oneindia.com/internation...n-4057135.html) This whole thing is a cluster fuck and we have the biggest asshole possible in the WH deliberately destroying our departments of the government so the truth will never be out. This will not be the last needless death count for us.
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    Yeah, it's looking like no survivors as far as I've heard. This time we really CAN blame Trump the way the righties like to blame Biden for everything. Fucking baffoon.

    If they were flying dark, should they have visually seen the commercial plane and/or had it on their radar. I'm not understanding how this could even happen. Apparently the plane was full of ice skaters from both the U.S. and Russia.
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    I don't understand how the collision happened in the first place. Clearly it was human error, but still.

    There are no survivors.

    Twenty-seven bodies from the American Airlines passenger jet and one from the military helicopter have been recovered. There were believed to have been 64 people onboard the passenger jet and three on the helicopter.
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/pla...-25/index.html

    Members of the US and Russian figure skating teams (skaters and coaches) were onboard.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/plane-c...ters-on-board/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    Was there lack of communication with air traffic control? Or does a helicopter not have to report to them? I dont know these things.
    They do, all aircraft do. They were advised of the plane's location and acknowledged it at one point.


    https://apnews.com/article/ronald-re...df5a4e5553b2e9

    A few minutes before the jet was to land, air traffic controllers asked American Airlines Flight 5342 if it could do so on a shorter runway, and the pilots agreed. Controllers cleared the jet to land and flight tracking sites showed the plane adjust its approach to the new runway.

    Less than 30 seconds before the collision, an air traffic controller asked a helicopter if it had the arriving plane in sight. The controller made another radio call to the helicopter moments later, saying “PAT 25 pass behind the CRJ” — apparently telling the copter to wait for the Bombardier CRJ-701 twin-engine jet to pass. There was no reply. Seconds after that, the aircraft collided.

    The plane’s radio transponder stopped transmitting about 2,400 feet (732 meters) short of the runway, roughly over the middle of the Potomac.

    The body of the plane was found upside-down in three sections in waist-deep water, officials said. The helicopter’s wreckage was also found.
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    Here are the names of victims thus far.

    Vadim Naumov (55) and Evgenia Shishkova (52) - husband/wife, figure skating coaches
    https://www.facebook.com/vadim.naumov.37
    https://www.facebook.com/evgenia.shishkova.18

    Alexandr Kirsanov (46) - figure skating coach
    https://www.facebook.com/alexandr.kirsanov.505

    Brielle (12) and Justyna Beyer(42) - daughter (figure skater) and mother
    https://www.facebook.com/justyna.beyer.5

    Jinna Han (16) and Jin Han - daughter/mother, figure skater

    Spencer Lane (16) and Christine Lane (49) - son/mother, figure skater

    Everly Livingston (14) and Alydia Livingston (11) - sisters, figure skaters

    Wendy Jo Shaffer - mother of two young children
    https://www.facebook.com/wendy.jo.9
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/in-wendys...ource=facebook

    Jonathan Campos (34) - AA Pilot
    https://www.facebook.com/CamposJ4935

    Samuel Lilley (29) - AA First Officer

    Danasia Elder - AA Flight Attendant

    Ian Epstein - AA Flight Attendant

    Ryan O'Hara- on helicopter, Georgia resident

    Andrew Eaves - on helicopter, Mississippi resident
    https://www.facebook.com/andrew.eaves1
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    @BWS, I edited your list above and added a few more people. Do you mind looking for socials for them?

    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/pla...-25/index.html

    Another flight to Reagan National was forced to go around due to helicopter traffic 1 day before collision

    One day before the fatal midair collision over the Potomac River, another jet approaching Reagan Washington National Airport was forced to abort its first landing and go around after a helicopter flew near its flight path, according to air traffic control audio.

    Republic Airways Flight 4514 was descending through 1,600 feet on its approach to the airport’s runway 19 when air traffic control warned of a helicopter nearby.

    The controller told the flight that “There’s a helicopter over Georgetown northbound 300 feet,” according to audio from LiveATC.net.

    A moment later, the twin engine Embraer ERJ 175 began a climbing right turn away from the airport, according to FlightAware, a flight tracking website.
    Black Hawk helicopter's altitude was nearly 200 feet off, former NTSB investigator says

    The altitude of the US Army Black Hawk helicopter involved in the collision was nearly 200 feet off, said Greg Feith, a former National Transportation Safety Board investigator.

    “Why were the military pilots almost 200 feet off the restricted altitude? The ceiling on those routes is 200 feet. And if they had been at 200 feet, they would have passed underneath the [regional jet] because the [regional jet] was at about 400 feet,” Feith told CNN’s Jim Sciutto Thursday night.

    Why the military pilots were operating at about 300 feet could be part of the NTSB’s investigation into the collision, Feith said, citing radar data for information on the helicopter’s altitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    They do, all aircraft do. They were advised of the plane's location and acknowledged it at one point.


    https://apnews.com/article/ronald-re...df5a4e5553b2e9
    It sounds like there was an issue with the controller contacting the helicopter. Or it was the helicopter being reckless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    It sounds like there was an issue with the controller contacting the helicopter. Or it was the helicopter being reckless.



    From what I've read they were working w/ one controller instead of two at that time, I'll go backwards in my computer history and try to find a link.
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    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/wash...report-7599949



    "Staffing was thin in the air traffic control tower at Washington's Reagan National airport at the time of the deadly crash between a passenger jet and an army helicopter, US media reported Thursday.

    Staffing was "not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic" according to an internal preliminary Federal Aviation Administration safety report quoted by The New York Times.

    "The controller who was handling helicopters in the airport's vicinity Wednesday night was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways," the report said.

    "Those jobs typically are assigned to two controllers, rather than one." "
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    God dammit thats not a job you skimp out on. People's lives are in their hands. I smell a lawsuit.

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    trump's bullshit about this is pissing me off. Ugh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    @BWS, I edited your list above and added a few more people. Do you mind looking for socials for them?

    Thank you, RBW.

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    Two new angles of video that I hadn't seen before today. The 2nd view shows it really well.




    The helo pilot was apparently a woman and now all these RWNJ's are running wild with that.
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    That video gave me chills. The helicopters should not be flying around the airplanes if they are not going to respond to ATC or if they are going to fly too high, or not fly the directed path. Also the helicopter doesnt have more lights? The commercial airplane is well lit, how did they not see it?

    Sounds like the ATC issue was not out of the norm.

    It looks like it happened so fast, those poor souls dont know what happened to them.

    I dont think these divers need to risk their safety to get the bodies. We know they are dead.

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    Okay, so I'm hearing that the flight ceiling for the helicopters over the Potomac is 200 feet. The collision took place close to 400 feet. I'm being told that the helicopters routinely break that regulation in the area, thus why there have been so many near misses in the past. It's set to that because of the airport and the planes approaching and departing. WHY THE FUCK are they allowed to do that shit.

    It's definitely the Blackhawk at fault.
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ea...d5f5affa&ei=92

    'Earned her place': Friends grieve Rebecca Lobach, US Army pilot killed in DC crash

    The crash, among the worst aviation disasters in modern history, left no survivors. The Army identified those killed alongside Lobach in the helicopter as Staff Sgt. Ryan Austin O’Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Georgia, and Andrew Loyd Eaves, a 39-year-old chief warrant officer 2 from Great Mills, Maryland.

    And for the people who loved Lobach, it left a gripping sorrow and the memories of a brilliant mind, dedicated servicemember and a loving friend.

    Lobach, a 28-year-old aviation officer assigned to the 12th Aviation Battalion, was the only female pilot on the flight. In an unusual move, the Army granted her family's request to hold her name before it was released on Saturday evening. It came after President Donald Trump, with little explanation, pointed the finger at DEI, or diversity, equity, and inclusion, practices as a factor behind the crash.

    "Not only did she deserve what she achieved, but she was overqualified most of the time for what she was able to accomplish," said Capt. Bilal Kordab, who recruited Lobach to the North Carolina National Guard. "Nothing was just handed to her."

    "I am hoping that people can look past the political aspect of the whole situation and look past her race and her gender," Bell said. "I hope that she's remembered more for the impact that she had on other people's lives."

    Lobach's friends say excellence was her natural state of being.

    A Durham, North Carolina, native, Lobach enlisted in the state's Army National Guard in December 2018.

    She was commissioned as an active duty aviation officer months later. She quickly skyrocketed through the ranks, and latched onto piloting like a bird to air.

    Lobach graduated from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill with a degree in biology in 2019. A distinguished military graduate, she was in the top 20% of cadets in the nation, according to the Army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Two new angles of video that I hadn't seen before today. The 2nd view shows it really well.




    The helo pilot was apparently a woman and now all these RWNJ's are running wild with that.
    How far in is the second view? I am not watching 10 mins lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    How far in is the second view? I am not watching 10 mins lol.
    It's not too far in.

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    https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...hawk-altitude/

    The scope being used by the controller working both the American Eagle flight and Army Black Hawk helicopter that collided Thursday in Washington, D.C., showed the helicopter about 125 feet lower than the CRJ700 it met over the Potomac River. At a press briefing on Saturday, NTSB member Todd Inman said the flight data recorder and ADS-B data put the regional jet at 325 feet AGL at the point of impact, plus or minus 25 feet, while the controller's console showed the helicopter at 200 feet, the ceiling of the flight corridor it was flying at the time. Inman said the discrepancy would likely be reconciled Sunday when results of FDR analysis from the Black Hawk are complete, but he did note that radar altitude displays have less fidelity than the recorders.

    He also said there were five controllers in the Reagan National tower at the time of the crash, which he said was normal even though it wasn't a full complement. Inman told reporters the CVR recorded a "verbal reaction" to the impending collision and the FDR indicated the plane pitched up slightly just before impact. About a second before the collision a flight deck alarm of "traffic, traffic, traffic" was recorded.

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