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    Death of Jordan Neely (30) on 5/1/23 on a NYC subway ruled a homicide

    Full story here: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...stice/4301660/

    The death of a homeless man who allegedly had threatened passengers aboard a New York City subway and was put into a chokehold by one of the riders has been deemed a homicide, according to the medical examiner.

    Investigators had said they were waiting on the report to determine whether or not it was the chokehold that killed 30-year-old Jordan Neely at the Broadway-Lafayette station Monday afternoon. However, no charges have yet been filed against the 24-year-old passenger who put Neely in headlock.

    Some are now calling for justice for Neely, who was homeless and struggled with mental illness, and the the person who was initially hailed as a good Samaritan to be arrested.

    The NYPD said it was called to the NoHo station around 2:25 p.m. after a report of a physical fight in a northbound F train.

    Witnesses and law enforcement sources said Neely got on the train and started acting very aggressively toward other riders, threatening to harm them. Police sources told NBC New York that Neely told riders on the train that he wanted food, that he wasn't taking no for an answer, and that he would hurt anyone on the train.

    "The man got on the subway car and began to say a somewhat aggressive speech, saying he was hungry, he was thirsty, that he didn't care about anything, he didn't care about going to jail, he didn't care that he gets a big life sentence," said Juan Alberto Vazquez, who was in the subway car and recording part of what happened afterward. "That 'It doesn't even matter if I died.'"

    Vazquez said he was scared, and believes others on the train were as well. It was then that a 24-year-old rider came up behind Neely and put him in a chokehold, holding him on the ground. Two other men stood over them and also helped subdue him, video showed.

    "If there was fear, the people who...were there where he separated everything, moved from their place. I stayed sitting in my place because it was a little further away, but obviously in those moments, well, one feels fear. One thinks he may be armed," Vazquez said.

    He said that the chokehold lasted about 15 minutes as they waited for police to respond, and it was held even as the train stopped at the subway station and the doors opened. That's when Vazquez said most of the people who were inside the train car left, with a few exceptions, including the three who had been working to subdue Neely.

    Neely was unconscious on the car floor when officers arrived, and died at the scene.

    Vazquez said no one thought the man would die, even after he went limp.

    I think no one though he was in a risky situation because he was defending himself all the time, all the time he moved, he tried to remove his arm," said Vazquez. "Then when they had it on his side, he kept kicking, so we thought that's him defending himself."

    One person in the video of the incident can be heard questioning whether Neely had been fatally injured, pointing out that defecation is a sign that he had died. Vazquez said he was conflicted over whether he thought the rider who subdued Neely went too far.

    "It's difficult, it's a very big dilemma. And after two days, I still think it's complicated. It's difficult to judge," said Vazquez.

    The 24-year-old who delivered the chokehold was questioned and later released, the NYPD said. He has not yet been charged, and it was not clear if he would face charges.

    The Manhattan district attorney's office is conducting an ongoing investigation into the incident, saying in a statement "we will review the Medical Examiner's report, assess all available video and photo footage, identify and interview as many witnesses as possible, and obtain additional medical records."

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    Full story here: https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/12/us/jo...rge/index.html

    Daniel Penny, a US Marine veteran who held homeless street artist Jordan Neely in a fatal chokehold on a New York subway train earlier this month, has surrendered to police to face a felony second-degree manslaughter charge.

    Penny’s attorneys said they are confident he will be “fully absolved of any wrongdoing” and said he risked his life for others on the subway on May 1.

    “When Mr. Penny, a decorated Marine veteran, stepped in to protect himself and his fellow New Yorkers, his well-being was not assured,” the law firm of Raiser and Kenniff, PC, said in a statement. “He risked his own life and safety, for the good of his fellow passengers. The unfortunate result was the unintended and unforeseen death of Mr. Neely.”

    Penny restrained Neely, 30, on a Manhattan subway after Neely began shouting he was hungry, thirsty and had little to live for. Neely was pronounced dead at a hospital.

    His death was ruled a homicide, though the designation doesn’t mean there was intent or culpability, a spokesperson for the New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner said earlier this week, noting at the time it was a matter for the criminal justice system to determine.

    Neely had been “acting erratically” before the incident but had not attacked anyone on the train before being put in the chokehold, a witness who recorded the encounter told CNN earlier this month.

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    Since when is shouting about being hungry considered a weapon? He was a hyped up Marine that attacked a mentally ill homeless man and killed him because we all know that homeless people aren't considered human beings.
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    I thought chokeholds were supposed to be used a relatively short amount of time to incapasitate a person. Not for 3+ minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    I thought chokeholds were supposed to be used a relatively short amount of time to incapasitate a person. Not for 3+ minutes.
    This is exactly it. He didn't need to use this kind of force when the guy wasn't assaulting anyone. He was having a mental episode, not physically harming anyone. So, I guess yelling during a mental break is now grounds for being killed.
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    A New York City judge on Wednesday declined to dismiss the case against Daniel Penny, the Marine veteran who placed a Black subway rider, Jordan Neely, in a fatal chokehold last year.

    Penny is due back in court on March 20.
    Full story here: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...eho-rcna134264

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ely-rcna180775

    Daniel Penny was acquitted Monday of criminally negligent homicide in the chokehold death of Jordan Neely, a 30-year-old homeless man with a history of mental illness whose final moments on a New York City subway train were captured on bystander video that set off weeks of protests and drew national attention.

    The decision, on the fifth day of deliberations, came after the jury deadlocked Friday on the more serious charge of manslaughter, leading the judge to dismiss it. Penny faced up to four years in prison.

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