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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Ok, who wants to take guesses on why they withdrew? Again, I don't know that much about this case. Are they court appointed or were they hired? It's not super easy to withdraw if you are court appointed.
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    They were public defenders, appointed to represent him. From what I can tell, this all stems from crime scene photos, which were leaked to the public. They were going to be removed from the case by the judge, but went ahead and withdrew before it came to that.

    He does not have funds for private counsel, so he will be assigned new public defenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewitchingstorm View Post
    They were public defenders, appointed to represent him. From what I can tell, this all stems from crime scene photos, which were leaked to the public. They were going to be removed from the case by the judge, but went ahead and withdrew before it came to that.

    He does not have funds for private counsel, so he will be assigned new public defenders.
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    A longtime defense attorney filed a motion on behalf of Richard Allen's own defense attorney on Thursday, arguing he should be allowed to remain counsel to the Delphi murders suspect in a new document submitted just hours before a scheduled status hearing in Fort Wayne on Thursday.

    Public defenders Andrew Baldwin and Bradley Rozzi are tasked with defending Allen against the charges he faces in the 2017 murders of Abigail Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14.

    The filing comes two days after Indiana State Police investigated a leak of sensitive evidence and documents related to the case that allegedly became public at the hands of an employee on Baldwin's team.

    "Attorney Baldwin did nothing wrong. He was snookered and abused," defense lawyer David Hennessy argued in the filing.

    Hennessy, a longtime defense attorney who has argued on behalf of lawyers throughout Indiana before, argued that a trusted friend to Baldwin was given access to the office space where he kept all Delphi-related items.

    "He was betrayed," Hennessy wrote, arguing that Baldwin has since kept "all Delphi-related items locked in a room or a locked fireproof cabinet."

    Defense counsel for Allen has reportedly put together a plan for action which stipulates no item related to Delphi will be left unattended for even any second in any unlocked room, the filing claimed.
    Full story here: https://www.wthr.com/article/news/cr...5-60b4d34fc2fd

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...s-s-rcna117468

    Theory that teens were killed in white nationalist sacrifice is 'fanciful,' prosecutors say
    Not entirely fanciful... take 764 for example. Global neo-nazi satanic cult preying on minors lured over social media for violent gore and other grody videos? Sounds crazy but it's true.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...c-cult-764-fbi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisychain View Post
    Not entirely fanciful... take 764 for example. Global neo-nazi satanic cult preying on minors lured over social media for violent gore and other grody videos? Sounds crazy but it's true.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...c-cult-764-fbi
    This.

    Also, the fact that they're trying to get the attorneys off the case that are presenting the possibility of cult involvement is suspect to me. Especially when it's being rumored that LE is possibly involved.

    IMHO, LE are tied up in this somehow and they found their sacrificial lamb to take the fall for it. They don't want some public defenders getting him off. The case has been grossly mismanaged from the beginning and now they're trying to throw his attorneys out?

    Some sneaky shit is going on here. Mark my words.
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    ETA: Since it's a double.

    I DO know this case really well. I remember one of the first reports to come out about the crime scene was that it looked cult like or ritualistic. So this isn't some new info.

    I used to think the cops were screwing the pooch on this case due to ineptitude. Now I'm thinking it's on purpose to cover for one (or some) of their own.
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    https://www.wthr.com/article/news/cr...7-365706603002

    Richard Allen's lawyers won't be able to present their ritual sacrifice theory to jury at Delphi murders trial

    For the second time in as many weeks, special Judge Frances Gull has issued a ruling against defendant Richard Allen that will have a significant impact on the upcoming Delphi murders trial.

    Wednesday morning, Gull granted a motion to block Allen’s defense team from introducing key evidence in his defense — prohibiting his attorneys from telling a jury about their theory that other men — not Allen — committed the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in a ritualistic sacrifice near Delphi’s Monon High Bridge in 2017.

    In response to evidence and testimony presented at that hearing, the judge issued her order Wednesday, stating the defense failed to produce admissible evidence demonstrating a clear link between Odinism, the alternate perpetrators and the murders.

    “The Court will not permit the evidence submitted by the defense in support of their arguments regarding third-party perpetrators in the trial of this cause as the probative value of such evidence is greatly outweighed by confusion of the issues and its potential to mislead the jury,” Gull wrote in her order.
    If he's convicted, I think this sets it up for the conviction to be overturned. I'm not really sure how they can prohibit him from saying it was someone else.

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    I see this as problematic for exactly what you shared, RBW. If he is convicted, his defense can claim it was because he was denied the ability to present evidence. The theory they want to present is stupid though, so there is that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewitchingstorm
    I see this as problematic for exactly what you shared, RBW. If he is convicted, his defense can claim it was because he was denied the ability to present evidence. The theory they want to present is stupid though, so there is that.
    Exactly. This is not a case I have ever really followed, and I have no real feeling one way or another on his innocence or guilt, but I find it odd how limiting they are being on what they are allowing him to argue. I have heard some crazy defense theories argued over the years, so not sure why they are saying he can't put it out there. They might be able to limit certain portions, but to not be able to say someone else did it seems like too much.

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    Exactly. This is not a case I have ever really followed, and I have no real feeling one way or another on his innocence or guilt, but I find it odd how limiting they are being on what they are allowing him to argue. I have heard some crazy defense theories argued over the years, so not sure why they are saying he can't put it out there. They might be able to limit certain portions, but to not be able to say someone else did it seems like too much.
    I have followed it a bit. He confessed multiple times to his family (wife, I believe) and others (maybe fellow inmates...not sure). Everyone deserves a fair trial, but the theory itself is far-reaching; however, it is still his right to have a defense present evidence (if there is any) that might challenge he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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    I havent been following this case either. Do they have more than his confession? Crazy people confess to shit all of the time.

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    Not getting a warm fuzzy about this case. Nothing is adding up. At first I thought maybe I was just being overly critical of LE, but the more I read, the more alarms went off.

    Lawyer Lee did a really interesting video on Allen's appeal and current living conditions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjFYUlRBuaI

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