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    Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1258101/Mother-Celine-Lesage-killed-babies-hid-bodies-cellar.html

    A mother appeared in court today accused of murdering six of her newborn children in as many years and hiding their tiny corpses in a cellar.
    In one of the worst infanticide cases in history, 38-year-old Celine Lesage faces life in prison for 'aggravated homicide'.
    She is said to have strangled two of her children with a cord and choked four others by placing her finger in their mouths.
    Each of the babies had been delivered 'in secret' between August 2000 and September 2007, with Lesage 'putting the babies and their dirty clothes neatly in a sealed plastic bag and hiding them', according to Cherbourg prosecutor Michel Garrandaux.

    He told the court: 'Her attitude was wholly ambivalent. On the one hand she expressed her desire to have children, and then she refused to keep them.'
    He said Lesage - a 'modest and otherwise ordinary housewife' who has as surviving son aged 14 - had 'no idea' why she had effectively turned into a serial killer.
    Mr Garrandaux told La Manche Azzizes Court, in Cherbourg, it was the court's job to 'try to understand you, before judging you'.
    Lesage spoke only to confirm her name on the first day of the trial.
    Among those in the public gallery was Pascal Catherine, her 39-year-old former boyfriend who fathered the first five murdered children.
    He was originally arrested for not reporting a crime and hiding the corpses, before his lawyers successfully argued he had thought the babies had been still born or had been aborted.
    Police outside the building where the gruesome discovery of six bodies was made
    Lesage and Mr Catherine split up in the spring of 2006 after 15 years living as common law man and wife.
    Her horrific secret was uncovered a year later, on October 19, 2007, when a new boyfriend was taken to the decaying corpses by Lesage's teenage son.
    Mr Garrandaux said: 'He was led to the cellar by the terrible smell of decomposing corpses and found them wrapped up in their bags.'
    The second boyfriend, whose identity has not been released, later found his own baby son - the sixth murder victim - in a dustbin in the family home in Valognes.
    Gendarmes were called and Lesage admitted killing all her newborn children, but claimed diminished responsibility.
    Police throw up plastic sheeting to shield the scene from the public in 2007
    She told police that she had 'absolutely no explanation' for what she had done and was placed on remand in the nearby city of Caen, Normandy.
    Veronique Carre, defending, said: 'The facts of the case are not in dispute, but there is medical and psychological evidence to consider.
    'My client believes she is responsible, but not guilty.'
    Last year, another French mother Veronique Courjault was jailed for eight years for killing three babies.
    She was deemed to be suffering from severe psychological problems, which meant she was in denial about being pregnant.
    The trial continues.


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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    Okay, wow, there has to be something more going on here, obviously.  What the hell, hasn't this bitch ever heard of contraception?  How do you put your body through 6 pregnancies just to off the little buggers when they get here?  I understand postpartum (to some extent) having suffered from it myself, but you can't tell me that the first boyfriend didn't know there was something seriously wrong. 


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    Reminds me of a woman...I can't remember who, it was from the 90s, who murdered her babies and imitated crib death because she was addicted to the sympathy.

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    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24595.msg1564374#msg1564374 date=1268687135]
    Reminds me of a woman...I can't remember who, it was from the 90s, who murdered her babies and imitated crib death because she was addicted to the sympathy.
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    Marybeth Tinning?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marybeth_Tinning

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    [quote author=angelaiscaustic link=topic=24595.msg1564392#msg1564392 date=1268687792]
    Marybeth Tinning?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marybeth_Tinning
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    Yeahhhh.

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    OMFG. If I was the one that found those bodies, I would have killed that bitch. I feel sorry for her son.

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    [quote author=InTheNightWonderer link=topic=24595.msg1564418#msg1564418 date=1268688553]
    OMFG. If I was the one that found those bodies, I would have killed that bitch. I feel sorry for her son.
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    Right?  Poor kid.  Everybody's family is weird when you're a teenager, but can you imagine if your mom had zip lock baggies full of dead babies in the freezer (or basement or whatever).  :2eyesbleed:

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    The second boyfriend saw the bodies but didn't report her until she did it to his own son? 
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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    [quote author=irishkat link=topic=24595.msg1564372#msg1564372 date=1268686988]
    Okay, wow, there has to be something more going on here, obviously.  What the hell, hasn't this bitch ever heard of contraception?  How do you put your body through 6 pregnancies just to off the little buggers when they get here?  I understand postpartum (to some extent) having suffered from it myself, but you can't tell me that the first boyfriend didn't know there was something seriously wrong. 


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    little buggers?  :|
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    [quote author=neenerneener link=topic=24595.msg1564591#msg1564591 date=1268701990]
    little buggers?   :|
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    I say little buggers.  :2smiley:
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    [quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=24595.msg1564596#msg1564596 date=1268702265]
    I say little buggers.  :2smiley:
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    about murdered babies? 
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    [quote author=neenerneener link=topic=24595.msg1564602#msg1564602 date=1268702602]
    about murdered babies? 
    [/quote]

    Ahh, don't cry little bugger.

    I don't know. I didn't find it odd or disrespectful.
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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    [quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=24595.msg1564604#msg1564604 date=1268702712]
    Ahh, don't cry little bugger.

    I don't know. I didn't find it odd or disrespectful.

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    :2angry: :lol:

    meh, i found it a bit odd, but whatever.
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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    [quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=24595.msg1564547#msg1564547 date=1268698975]
    The second boyfriend saw the bodies but didn't report her until she did it to his own son? 
    [/quote]
    The way I read it was he saw the bodies and I guess he was in shock then he realized his own son was there and reported it. Not that he saw them and stayed with her and then at a later date saw his son and then reported it.

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    [quote author=Yomalex3 link=topic=24595.msg1569060#msg1569060 date=1269068870]
    The way I read it was he saw the bodies and I guess he was in shock then he realized his own son was there and reported it. Not that he saw them and stayed with her and then at a later date saw his son and then reported it.
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    Mr Garrandaux said: 'He was led to the cellar by the terrible smell of decomposing corpses and found them wrapped up in their bags.'
    The second boyfriend, whose identity has not been released, later found his own baby son - the sixth murder victim - in a dustbin in the family home in Valognes.


    I guess I was confused by the wording that he later found his own baby son in a dustbin, as opposed to the others that he saw in the cellar, but you're probably right. Looking at the dates it appears he would have found them all at once.
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    Mr Garrandaux said: 'He was led to the cellar by the terrible smell of decomposing corpses and found them wrapped up in their bags.'
    The second boyfriend, whose identity has not been released, later found his own baby son - the sixth murder victim - in a dustbin in the family home in Valognes.


    I guess I was confused by the wording that he later found his own baby son in a dustbin, as opposed to the others that he saw in the cellar, but you're probably right. Looking at the dates it appears he would have found them all at once.
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    They kinda did word it weirdly...now that I double read it, they do make it seem like he didn't report it that day but only after finding his own son later on.  :|

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    [quote author=Yomalex3 link=topic=24595.msg1569070#msg1569070 date=1269069782]
    They kinda did word it weirdly...now that I double read it, they do make it seem like he didn't report it that day but only after finding his own son later on.  :|
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    I can't really tell what they meant.
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    [quote author=neenerneener link=topic=24595.msg1564605#msg1564605 date=1268702819]
    :2angry: :lol:

    meh, i found it a bit odd, but whatever.
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    I don't find it the least bit weird, and it's certainly better than anything I call babies. :lol:
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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1259126/Celine-Lesage-sentenced-15-years-jail-murdering-6-babies.html

    A ‘serial killer’ mother has been jailed for 15 years for murdering six of her newborn children in as many years and hiding their tiny corpses in a cellar.

    In one of the worst infanticide cases in history, 38-year-old Frenchwoman Celine Lesage strangled two of her children with a cord and choked four others by placing her finger in their mouths.

    ‘Yes, I killed the babies,’ she said during cross examination at La Manche Correctional court in Cherbourg, Normandy, yesterday.

    With her voice quivering, and in floods of tears, she said: ‘I did it but I can't explain it why I did it.’
    Each of the babies had been delivered 'in secret' between August 2000 and September 2007, with Lesage 'putting the babies and their dirty clothes neatly in a sealed plastic bag and hiding them'.

    Prosecutors – who described her as a ‘serial killer’ - had sought a 16-year prison sentence for Lesage with no early release before half the term was served, but accepted 15. 

    Lesage was arrested in 2007 after her partner at the time, Luc Margueritte, discovered the tiny corpses decomposing in plastic garbage bags in the basement of their apartment building in Valognes, south of Cherbourg.

    He was the father of the last newborn and a prosecution witness in the case.


    Veronique Carre, defending, said: 'The facts of the case are not in dispute, but there is medical and psychological evidence to consider.’
    Prosecutor Michel Garrandaux told the court: 'Her attitude was wholly ambivalent. On the one hand she expressed her desire to have children, and then she refused to keep them.'

    He said Lesage - a 'modest and otherwise ordinary housewife' who has as surviving son aged 14 who was taken into care after her arrest - had 'no idea' why she had effectively turned into a serial killer.
    Police outside the building where Celine Lesage hid the bodies of her six babies after she killed them
    Among those in the public gallery was Pascal Catherine, her 39-year-old former boyfriend who fathered the first five murdered children.

    He was originally arrested for not reporting a crime and hiding the corpses, before his lawyers successfully argued he had thought the babies had been still born or had been aborted.

    Lesage and Mr Catherine split up in the spring of 2006 after 15 years living as common law man and wife.
    Her horrific secret was uncovered a year later, on October 19, 2007, when a new boyfriend was taken to the decaying corpses by Lesage's teenage son.
    Mr Garrandaux said: 'He was led to the cellar by the terrible smell of decomposing corpses and found them wrapped up in their bags.'
    Gendarmes were called and Lesage admitted killing all her newborn children, but claimed diminished responsibility.
    She told police that she had 'absolutely no explanation' for what she had done and was placed on remand in the nearby city of Caen, Normandy.
    Last year, another French mother Veronique Courjault was jailed for eight years for killing three babies.
    She was deemed to be suffering from severe psychological problems, which meant she was in denial about being pregnant.


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    15 years for killing 6 babies? You've got to be kidding.
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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    [quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=24595.msg1570130#msg1570130 date=1269194616]
    15 years for killing 6 babies? You've got to be kidding.
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    I forgot to make this bit bold

    Prosecutors – who described her as a ‘serial killer’ - had sought a 16-year prison sentence for Lesage with no early release before half the term was served, but accepted 15.
    I wonder if this means she will be able to ask for parole in 8 years?

    If she had killed 6 children or adults, i wonder if she would have got the same sentance? It does seem extremly low sentance especially as she has been labelled a serial killer
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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    Just had a quick look on wiki for the french law with murder

    In the French Penal Code murder is defined by the intentional killing of another person. Murder is punishable by [1] a maximum of 30 years of criminal imprisonment (no more than 20 years if the defendant is not sentenced to 30 years).[2] Assassination (murder with premeditation)[3] and murder in some special case (if the victim is a child under 15, parents, people with disabilities, police officer etc.)[4] are punished by a jail time up to life imprisonment (no more than 30 years if the defendant is not sentenced to life). In France except for recidivist[5] the minimum sentence in criminal prosecution is one or two year of imprisonment, which may be suspended if the term of the sentence is under 5 years.[6] Manslaughter is punishable by 15 years imprisonment, or 20 years with aggravating circumstances (the same that make a murderer eligible for life in jail).

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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    So why did she get 15 years for doing it 6 times? Seems so not fair.
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    Re: Celine Lesage (37) Killed her 6 babies & hid them in the cellar

    [quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=24595.msg1570165#msg1570165 date=1269195813]
    So why did she get 15 years for doing it 6 times? Seems so not fair.
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    :lol: What I love about you is I can't tell if you're outraged by how short the sentence is or how long.

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    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=24595.msg1570186#msg1570186 date=1269196235]
    :lol: What I love about you is I can't tell if you're outraged by how short the sentence is or how long.
    [/quote] :lol:  I'm outraged by how short it is in this case.
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