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Thread: Warriena Tagpuno Wright (26) allegedly fell from Gable Tostee's balcony and he is on trial for her death

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    Quote Originally Posted by TupeloHoney View Post
    Finally!

    The jury made the right decision. A conviction would have been a miscarriage of justice.



    That dipshit juror ... wth. I'm assuming some of the dumb jury questions came from her.
    No, I'm sure the idiot would've asked:

    1) Are there any pretty walls in the courthouse that I can take a picture of?
    2) Where's the best place to get a pretty cup of coffee?

    I hope that idiot learned her lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Thank god this is over and all the horrible posting in this thread can end. The mods are the real winners today.
    You totally jinxed it. Watch the arguments to retry pop up now
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    You cant argue to retry someone who was cleared of charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    You cant argue to retry someone who was cleared of charges.
    Cleared of THOSE charges. I wouldn't doubt with how crazy people got over this arguing that it should have been a mistrial because of the Chatty Cathy juror.

    ETA: Orrrrrr.... Do they have such a thing as Civil Suits there? Either way, I'm afraid it's not the last of this thread. We'll be hearing news about him. Question is will it be another offense? Or a reality show?
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouscat View Post
    No, I'm sure the idiot would've asked:

    1) Are there any pretty walls in the courthouse that I can take a picture of?
    2) Where's the best place to get a pretty cup of coffee?

    I hope that idiot learned her lesson.


    Yeah she's really proud of her new collection of garbage (used coffee cups).



    I was suspicious Monday when the jury asked about the object in GT's hand in the cctv footage after Warriena fell. That object became a very hot topic of conversation on the internet last Thursday or Friday (depending on which continent one resides). It made me wonder if one (or more) of the jurors spent the weekend Googling around and reading things they shouldn't have been reading ... especially since the judge had already explicitly said they should disregard everything GT did after she fell. Now that we know that numbskull was posting on social media about jury duty, I'm even more suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    Cleared of THOSE charges. I wouldn't doubt with how crazy people got over this arguing that it should have been a mistrial because of the Chatty Cathy juror.

    ETA: Orrrrrr.... Do they have such a thing as Civil Suits there? Either way, I'm afraid it's not the last of this thread. We'll be hearing news about him. Question is will it be another offense? Or a reality show?
    They have civil suits but the rest of the world is considerably less litigious in nature than the states.

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    Just to clarify, he can totally be retried for murder in Queensland. They have to have new evidence though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    They have civil suits but the rest of the world is considerably less litigious in nature than the states.
    This.

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    Just to clarify, he can totally be retried for murder in Queensland. They have to have new evidence though.
    And this.

    I think he might just slink away with this one though, her family seem to be ready to go and hide/deal/cope etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    Just to clarify, he can totally be retried for murder in Queensland. They have to have new evidence though.
    The new evidence would have to be quite compelling. Given the fiasco this whole thing has been I don't see anyone wanting to go another round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    Cleared of THOSE charges. I wouldn't doubt with how crazy people got over this arguing that it should have been a mistrial because of the Chatty Cathy juror.
    It could very well have ended in the jurybeing dismissed. Jurors are not allowed to discuss their involvement in a case on social media. The very experienced defence solicitor advocated ernestly for the jury to be dismissed because of it. So I don't think it is fair to say people are crazy for thinking that is the way it should have gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    But even the Tostee supporters point out Warriena's irrational, out of control & "extremely drunk" behaviour. His homebrew did that.
    she purchased beers before going to his apartment. Do you also think the beer manufacturer should face charges? The bottlo she purchased it from? The hops farmer? Tinder?

    Where do you draw the line? She got drunk of her own accord. He didn't force her to drink. She was responsible for herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouscat View Post
    No, I'm sure the idiot would've asked:

    1) Are there any pretty walls in the courthouse that I can take a picture of?
    2) Where's the best place to get a pretty cup of coffee?

    I hope that idiot learned her lesson.
    Unfortunately people like this are too stupid to learn their lesson. They were told directly by the judge not to discuss anything on social media. She simply couldn't grasp the concept that for a brief period of time, her duty to the administration of justice and her duty to the court outweighed her personal desire to publish her boring little life on line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by death2me View Post
    It could very well have ended in the jurybeing dismissed. Jurors are not allowed to discuss their involvement in a case on social media. The very experienced defence solicitor advocated ernestly for the jury to be dismissed because of it. So I don't think it is fair to say people are crazy for thinking that is the way it should have gone.
    By crazy people, I mean the rabid haters that are freaking out right now because he's been acquitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by death2me View Post
    Unfortunately people like this are too stupid to learn their lesson. They were told directly by the judge not to discuss anything on social media. She simply couldn't grasp the concept that for a brief period of time, her duty to the administration of justice and her duty to the court outweighed her personal desire to publish her boring little life on line.
    He tried to get her to drink more and she wouldn't. IMHO he was using his homebrew to make her more compliant. Here in the states it's actually considered rape to have sex with a woman as drunk as she was. If you're questioning whether it was the beer they shared versus the homebrew that got her to that state, I think it's obvious what the culprit was. Even Gable mentioned how amazed he was at how fucked up his brew made her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    By crazy people, I mean the rabid haters that are freaking out right now because he's been acquitted.
    Yeah plenty of that on twitter. I've also talked to a number of people here in Australia since the verdict and surprised at how many people felt he should be responsible for her death. They don't want to hear any logic, the media has done such a good job of painting Mr Tostee as the tinder killer that there are people who still seem to think he might have actually thrown her off the balcony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    He tried to get her to drink more and she wouldn't. IMHO he was using his homebrew to make her more compliant. Here in the states it's actually considered rape to have sex with a woman as drunk as she was. If you're questioning whether it was the beer they shared versus the homebrew that got her to that state, I think it's obvious what the culprit was. Even Gable mentioned how amazed he was at how fucked up his brew made her.
    It Australia it is rape if they can't consent due to being drunk or otherwise. Although she was clearly drunk and behaving poorly there was never any suggestion she didn't consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by death2me View Post
    It Australia it is rape if they can't consent due to being drunk or otherwise. Although she was clearly drunk and behaving poorly there was never any suggestion she didn't consent.
    I never got the impression that she didn't consent either, their prior conversations prove intent on her part.

    My view is pretty basic. They both hold some responsibility for what happened even if he didn't intend for her to die and if she didn't intend to die. People are going so far as saying she committed suicide.... C'mon.

    Both of them had terrible judgment, I just feel he should face some sort of punishment for creating a dangerous environment. He had other options, calling the police to have her removed, leaving his apartment and getting building security, letting her leave when she previously tried to. He fucked up and someone died. Normally that carries some kind of punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    Both of them had terrible judgment, I just feel he should face some sort of punishment for creating a dangerous environment. He had other options, calling the police to have her removed, leaving his apartment and getting building security, letting her leave when she previously tried to. He fucked up and someone died. Normally that carries some kind of punishment.
    I agree with you insofar as they both had terrible judgement but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    But I don't agree at all that he created a dangerous situation. The last thing that occured before her being put on the balcony was her striking him with the telescope or whatever it was. That gave him the right to remove her from the property to protect himself and his belongings. The balcony was the closest door and that is where he removed her. Now we can argue all day about whether he should have put her out the main door but the fact is the balcony is not an inferently dangerous place. She had to take specific actions to make it unsafe by climbing over the balcony.

    If he had left her out there for hours then I think the trial would have gone very differently but the fact is she made rmthe decision to climb over quite quickly when it was still a reasonable time to restrain her.

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    Yeaaaahhhh. I do see what you're saying, but my only argument with that would be if he felt his life was in danger and that he needed to separate himself from her, it's obvious that she was in a irrational state of mind. People keep saying that he couldn't have known that she would be so irrational to try to climb down from the balcony when it was her irrational behavior that led him to want to separate himself from her. So, I view it more as a really bad decision that he made when he had other options available to him.

    We just see the situation differently. I don't know if you're Male or Female, but if you're Male it could be because I'm Female and I know the state of panic that could lead to irrational decisions as a Woman feeling threatened. Being a Male, he may not have fully understood that. There's just some things that don't sit well with me. Him having her phone, him mentioning throwing her off the balcony etc. It makes me feel like at least part of his actions were driven by spite rather than only fear of her.

    BTW, I'm enjoying having a civil conversation about this. It's SO much better this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TupeloHoney View Post
    My guess is they didn't go after him for the alcohol because they couldn't. They said in court that Warriena's fingerprints were found on some of the beer bottles. They didn't say how many (unless I missed that), but, if her prints (or DNA) were on five of the bottles, I think it would be very difficult to prove that GT was solely responsible for her level of drunkenness.

    I don't know the abv of the beer she picked out, but, based on her size and her BAC, it seems possible she was already quite drunk on beer before she willingly started drinking the vodka. Would the vodka have made her more drunk? Sure, but even store-bought vodka would do that.

    Someone on WS (an Aussie) said the other day that it's not illegal to make or be in possession of homemade alcohol as long as you don't sell it. I'm not sure if that's accurate, but if it is, I don't know what charges police would be able to come up with in this situation. And it's just a very different case than homemade alcohol actually poisoning someone and killing them because it was made with industrial strength weed killer.

    It would be interesting to know if the authorities determined how much of the beer she drank, though.
    No, they could've. Even if they assumed she drank ALL of it herself, it would be pretty easy to calculate how much of it came from his home made stuff. & aside from that, even the beer she consumed within his home becomes relevant because householders can be held liable if a person is served alcohol on their premises & they become involved in an accident.

    I think I posted a link earlier re this. There are laws re the safe service of alcohol for bar staff, they can be charged if they continue to serve an intoxicated person who later becomes involved in an accident & that liability extends to private householders. He continued giving her alcohol after her behaviour had obviously changed & clearly states himself on the recording that he shouldn't have given her so much of his homebrew, so it's definitely something they could've pursued & IF this was a serious prosecution, it would've made more sense than the bullshit they went with.


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    & it's definitely illegal to produce it at all, police just don't often charge people unless they're caught selling because they don't realise it's being produced.


    The stills themselves are legal IF you use them to produce essential oils. So unless you're reported for selling homebrew, or they search your home in relation to something else & discover alcohol, not oils, in your still, you're unlikely to be caught.


    Edit 2 nah, actually I think my link was mostly civil liability. I don't know how social host liability re the beer would work for manslaughter, or even if it could. It could work with the homebrew depending on quantities. It definitely does NOT work for murder. That charge was ridiculous under the circumstances.

    & in answer to death2me, I draw the line at supply of spirits, illegally brewed & supplied within the producer's home - especially if they were presented to the deceased as "vodka" & not illegal moonshine.

    & it seems QLD courts do too, because they've already sentenced a man for manslaughter for supplying the same shit at his home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    & in answer to death2me, I draw the line at supply of spirits, illegally brewed & supplied within the producer's home - especially if they were presented to the deceased as "vodka" & not illegal moonshine.

    & it seems QLD courts do too, because they've already sentenced a man for manslaughter for supplying the same shit at his home.
    This has been referenced previously and I didn't bother replying because it isn't related in any way. The facts of that case were completely different and involved the consumption of methanol instead of ethanol, resulting in the deaths. He essentially poisoned them by suppyling the spirits.

    I have no idea why you think that case has a shred of relevance to Tostee.

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    I think it was safer for him to put her on the balcony rather than let her walk out the door. She could've stumbled into traffic, fell down a flight of stairs, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    It makes no sense they didn't focus on the alcohol consumption & go after him for putting her in that state with his homebrew. Especially when a man was recently found guilty of manslaughter in QLD for supplying the homebrewed spirits that led to 2 deaths.
    Lol are you even half serious? That guy "poisoned" his offspring because he didnt control the methanol content. Methanol is not legal to drink, alcohol is legal to drink.

    The chemical makeup of the alcohol in Wrights body was not introduced in court. So that tells you they they could not find an entry point for it into the trial. The alcohol must have been "clean". If her BAC was tainted by other substances, it would have been noted. But nothing. so it makes perfect sense not to pursue the alcohol angle.

    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    Different death circs, yes. But even the Tostee supporters point out Warriena's irrational, out of control & "extremely drunk" behaviour. His homebrew did that.
    Yep always have to play the female privilege/victim card, dont we? Here's the thing - Wright chose to drink alcohol that evening (if indeed it came from that still). It is not Tostee's job to be her daddy, and tell her what to do.

    Stop pushing responsibility onto the nearest male. Wright made bad choices, quite a few bad ones. That is her fault, no one elses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by death2me View Post
    Unfortunately people like this are too stupid to learn their lesson. They were told directly by the judge not to discuss anything on social media. She simply couldn't grasp the concept that for a brief period of time, her duty to the administration of justice and her duty to the court outweighed her personal desire to publish her boring little life on line.
    Yeah these jurors were told not to bother considering anything after the fall, so what do they do? Ask about what he was holding when he left the building. This jury is one of the dumbest I have ever seen, not surprising it took them 3 days to deliver a verdict most juries would have delivered in 4 - 8 hours.

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