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Thread: Gregory Ramos (15) strangled his Mom, Gail Cleavenger (46), and had friends stage a burglary and dump her body in a fire pit

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    Gregory Ramos (15) strangled his Mom, Gail Cleavenger (46), and had friends stage a burglary and dump her body in a fire pit

    https://www.wesh.com/article/teen-ki...s-say/24592122

    Officials with the Volusia County Sheriff?s Office said 15-year-old Gregory Ramos confessed to killing 46-year-old Gail Cleavenger by strangling her at the family?s home on Alicante Road late Thursday.
    https://www.wftv.com/news/local/15-y...-say/865720801

    According to investigators, Ramos and his mother got into a fight when she asked him about a D he got in a class after he came home from a police explorers event at the Volusia County Fairgrounds on Thursday evening.
    Once again, I stand my my prior statements that teenagers are the devil. Don't turn your back on them.
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    Uh oh. I'm surrounded

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    I can't imagine strangling someone for 30 minutes. One would think at some point the thought that this may be a bad idea would cross his mind.
    Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups

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    Oh shit, I assumed it was just the 2 of them.

    Now it reminds me a little of Jamie Silvonek, who by the way, is having a wonderful time getting herself published as "the voice of a precocious - but very contrite & reformed - juvenile criminal".

    She still irks me. A lot.

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    Gail's FB:https://www.facebook.com/gail.gorets...4t3Y&tn-str=*F

    This is Gail and the son that killed her:

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    What a little bastard

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    That he is.


    Check out the fire pit he buried her in. I was expecting a disused garbage pit hidden out the back of the property or something, but it's a bbq/social area ffs. & she was only 8-10 inches below the surface!

    Imagine if he hadn't got busted right away & the church decided to light it up & have a family friendly marshmallow roast over her body



    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...action_generic
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    His Facebook bio:

    Hey I'm Greg. Im a raging conservative with a passion for debate. Im 14 and go to University High.
    And his top post is a pick of him at Trump Tower to which his grandma, I believe, posts "That's great!".

    So, yep. He's just another weird little Nazi, in my eyes. Angriest people on the plant, those Trump supporters.


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    did you make her into a wallet Bill? cuz if you did I'm off team Bill.

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    Woo. Grandma posts:

    Cathy Williams Goretsky: Just please everyone, pray for my grandson. I'm sure he is feeling alone and frightened.
    Um, no. Fuck that shit.

    https://www.facebook.com/CathyWilliamsGoretsky

    It's comments under her profile picture.


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    did you make her into a wallet Bill? cuz if you did I'm off team Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBeWithMe View Post
    Woo. Grandma posts:



    Um, no. Fuck that shit.

    https://www.facebook.com/CathyWilliamsGoretsky

    It's comments under her profile picture.
    Well her grandson is a sociopath so...

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    God is trying to send a message to that church. First he destroys it with lightning, they ignore him & rebuild in the place that so displeased him.

    So now he sends them a murderous kid with a dead body to ruin their community BBQ pit.

    Will they listen this time ...?

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    I would like to believe if a friend of my two teenage sons asked them to help them cover up the murder of their mother they would tell them fuck no and call the cops. Wtf is wrong with people?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBeWithMe View Post
    His Facebook bio:



    And his top post is a pick of him at Trump Tower to which his grandma, I believe, posts "That's great!".

    So, yep. He's just another weird little Nazi, in my eyes. Angriest people on the plant, those Trump supporters.
    He’s even got Trump’s creepy smug smile and mantits. Maybe the boy is a Trump bastard in more ways than one.

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    Anyone want to rent a murder house?

    https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...ct/11_zm/1_fr/

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    Any news on his trial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SplatterTheHouse View Post
    Any news on his trial?
    On my cell.
    Trial starts August 10, 2020.
    https://debarylife.com/gregory-ramos...d-for-release/
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    I don't have a thousand dollars hanging around to buy a fart in a jar lol.

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    This is one of my fears.
    My son murdering me.
    I hope I raise him right and it doesn't happen, but man, peer pressure.
    I guess Gail remained unconscious after the first time he strangled her and that's why she didn't call 911?!
    R.i.p. Gail. I'm sorry your chubby cheeked baby turned out to be a sociopath.
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    I don't have a thousand dollars hanging around to buy a fart in a jar lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouscat View Post
    On my cell.
    Trial starts August 10, 2020.
    https://debarylife.com/gregory-ramos...d-for-release/
    This article hints the defense may argue an 'abuse excuse.'

    Earlier this year, the defense team for Ramos asked a judge for permission to release potentially "mitigating" information about the teen's background.

    "The defense team has exhausted all available resources and needs the assistance of the Court to obtain the Confidential Child Protective Team records for Defendant/Child to include: All case summary reports, psychological evaluations, any medical reports and any DVDs of interviews of [Ramos]," wrote Rosemarie Peoples, an assistant public defender, in a February motion.

    "Investigation by the defense team of Defendant/Child has verified a history of trauma; however, without access to CPT records there is no ability to present to the Court substantial and competent evidence of the prior childhood trauma," the motion said. Details of that alleged trauma have not been released to the general public.
    Last edited by KimTisha; 06-11-2020 at 07:07 PM.
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    I wonder what the two other defendants excuse will be? He held a gun to my head?
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    I don't have a thousand dollars hanging around to buy a fart in a jar lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouscat View Post
    I wonder what the two other defendants excuse will be? He held a gun to my head?
    So it looks like the guy who actually murdered Gail has a better opportunity to avoid jail then his two assistants. See? This is why I won't help a friend bury a body, it always comes back to bite you in the end.
    You are talking to a woman who has laughed in the face of death, sneered at doom and chuckled at catastrophe.
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    Good luck with that defense. Who strangles someone in self defense? No one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    So it looks like the guy who actually murdered Gail has a better opportunity to avoid jail then his two assistants. See? This is why I won't help a friend bury a body, it always comes back to bite you in the end.
    Uh-oh, what if you've already helped someone?

    Asking for a friend.


    Quote Originally Posted by marakisses View Post
    yes i said i will leave it under you storage he said cuddle with me i said shut up it over??? what am i doing wrong??
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    Happy Birthday! I hid a dead body in your backyard to celebrate. Good luck finding it under the cement. You can only use a stick to look for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Uh-oh, what if you've already helped someone?

    Asking for a friend.
    You are talking to a woman who has laughed in the face of death, sneered at doom and chuckled at catastrophe.
    ...Collector of Chairs. Reader of Books. Hater of Nutmeg...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBeWithMe View Post
    His Facebook bio:



    And his top post is a pick of him at Trump Tower to which his grandma, I believe, posts "That's great!".

    So, yep. He's just another weird little Nazi, in my eyes. Angriest people on the plant, those Trump supporters.
    Yup. I side eye the fuck out of kids who are conservative. They're usually little shit heads.

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