Warriena Tagpuno Wright (26) allegedly fell from Gable Tostee's balcony and he is on trial for her death

[hamdinger125]

I can understand why Gable called his attorney first.

My brother was the same way. Even if he wasn't in trouble- he would call his attorney or tell the cops to call his attorney. He had a HUGE mistrust of the cops. If I remember correctly, Gable had some run ins with the law.

I still think Gable was just a douche bag. I think WW and him hooked up for Kinky/rough/role playing sex. Most of the recording sounds like some type of sex game they were playing- then WW got a little rough. Maybe she was one of those girls who was into violent sex???? Maybe both of them were NOT on the same page as far as what each wanted in their sex game. I really do think Gable likes to be the "bitch" in bed and likes the girl to be the dominate person. "oooh you've been a bad boy. I'm gonna smack you around now" (Thanks Bones and Law and Order)

I don't fault him for calling his attorney. I'm just baffled by his statement that immediately calling his attorney before he even knew if she was OK or not is somehow the most logical thing to do.

I do kind of agree with the rest of your statement, though. I think he was a douche and maybe controlling, but I think WW probably attacked him, too. I think he didn't like not being in control. I don't think he chucked her off the balcony or anything. As for how culpable he is in her death...I'm not sure.

[Inferiortools]

I don't fault him for calling his attorney. I'm just baffled by his statement that immediately calling his attorney before he even knew if she was OK or not is somehow the most logical thing to do.

As for how culpable he is in her death...I'm not sure.

It is the most logical thing to do when you murder someone and want to play the 'I didn't do it' card.

He had numerous chances to throw her out the door, and instead he threw her out on the balcony, therefore attempting to commit kidnapping and forcible confinement.

What the hell did he think would happen? She would come back inside, apologize, and allow him to place her hand on his junk?

[Bert Stareson]

He had numerous chances to throw her out the door, and instead he threw her out on the balcony, therefore attempting to commit kidnapping and forcible confinement.

What the hell did he think would happen? She would come back inside, apologize, and allow him to place her hand on his junk?

Definitely NOT her climbing over his balcony within 10 seconds. Maybe try and calm her down, call someone to get her or whatever.

You think he put her out there for shits and giggles? You honestly think he tried to kidnap her? She was acting up in his own home, refused to leave immediately beforehand, instead trying to assault him further. What was he supposed to do? It's technically a citizen's arrest, and people have done it for far less than what he had to put up with. It's not his fault she did the unthinkable, there was zero reason nor sense in trying to scale the balcony.

[Seaglass]

This is the precedent for murder in this case.


Sydney Morning Herald, 1st May 1987


Kelly Healey was in the shower when her boyfriend broke down the bathroom door, grabbed her throat and punched her in the face.
Terrified and in fear of her life, Ms Healey is thought to have climbed out the window and fallen 21m to her death.
Her boyfriend, 33-year-old tattooist Kim William Royall, was found guilty of her murder: not because he necessarily threw her, but because she fell trying to escape him.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1227027462937

[PeaceBeWithMe]

Definitely NOT her climbing over his balcony within 10 seconds. Maybe try and calm her down, call someone to get her or whatever.

You think he put her out there for shits and giggles? You honestly think he tried to kidnap her? She was acting up in his own home, refused to leave immediately beforehand, instead trying to assault him further. What was he supposed to do? It's technically a citizen's arrest, and people have done it for far less than what he had to put up with. It's not his fault she did the unthinkable, there was zero reason nor sense in trying to scale the balcony.

Citizen's arrest? Are you kidding me?

1.After making a citizen?s arrest, you must deliver the person and any property belonging to the person to a police officer or proper authority without any delay;
2.You must only use reasonable force;
3.You must not subject the person arrested to embarrassment, indignity, or humiliation; and
4.You should be certain that a crime has been committed, and that the person you are arresting is the correct person.

If you are unsure about any of the above 4 points, you should refrain from making an arrest.

There is nothing technical about what he did. And people, for what it is worth, have not done it for far less than what he had to put up with as breach of peace is about as low on the totem poll as you can go for a citizen's arrest as far as misdemeanors are concerned.

I am consistently confused -- every single time I check this thread -- by the hard on some of these supporters for GT have. Hell, I don't think he's guilty of murder by any stretch of the imagination, but the lengths y'all go to in order to make him look like some poor slob who was in the wrong place at the wrong time is mindboggling.

[TupeloHoney]

(& I'd remind everyone blaming this all on Warriena & stating opinion as fact, that regardless of how you personally feel about the case, everything you say is hypothetical until the forensics etc are released during trial. The alcohol/drug content of his "vodka", hand or footprints facing the wrong way on the balcony exterior - any or all of those factors could negate every tiny detail you're obsessing over).

That is true for people on both sides of the debate, isn't it? And I don't think obsessing over tiny details is exclusive to one side or the other. (Pizza, anyone?)

Some people (and I don't mean just here at mds) are crossing their fingers in hopes police have evidence that proves GT is a murderer, but others prefer to presume his innocence based on known evidence rather than presume guilt based on evidence that might not even exist.

The police said GT was not on the balcony when she fell, and he is accused of committing "a life-threatening act by assaulting her and locking her on his balcony, causing her to fear for her life and try to escape." And although I understand Australian authorities tend to keep a lot of info to themselves during an investigation, I don't believe for a hot second that if GT had put WW on/over the railing, Prosecutor Ben Power would have said this: "In this case, the dangerous act was shoving the victim out onto a 14-story balcony and locking her out there."

He made that statement at the bail hearing in November ... long after the cherry picker was at GT's apartment building and long after prints would have been taken.

The authorities said during the same hearing that they will rely almost completely on the audio and the toxicology report (http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...-1227127491700); and, as our discussions here have shown, the recording seems to be open to interpretation. (And the toxicology report wasn't complete at the time of that hearing.)

I realize that some folks are banking on toxicology showing that GT either drugged her or that his home brew was a super-strong concoction, but I've known people who, with the right amount of (totally legal) alcohol, completely lose control and act like crazy people ... even with no drugs involved at all. So I'm not convinced that WW's behavior was a result of alcohol that was significantly stronger than what can be bought at the store (or drugs.) I guess we'll have to wait for that important piece of the puzzle.

[Inferiortools]

Definitely NOT her climbing over his balcony within 10 seconds. Maybe try and calm her down, call someone to get her or whatever.

You think he put her out there for shits and giggles? You honestly think he tried to kidnap her? She was acting up in his own home, refused to leave immediately beforehand, instead trying to assault him further. What was he supposed to do? It's technically a citizen's arrest, and people have done it for far less than what he had to put up with. It's not his fault she did the unthinkable, there was zero reason nor sense in trying to scale the balcony.

Uh, call the cops, leave, push her out the door, take control of the situation?

Pretty sure she had a good reason to try and escape from him, especially after he said he would throw her off the balcony. And shoving her onto the balcony, after she says she wants to go home and he says no, can be considered an attempt to commit kidnapping and forcible confinement.

Citizen's arrest? Really?

[Kelly-Jane]

Uh, call the cops, leave, push her out the door, take control of the situation?

Pretty sure she had a good reason to try and escape from him, especially after he said he would throw her off the balcony. And shoving her onto the balcony, after she says she wants to go home and he says no, can be considered an attempt to commit kidnapping and forcible confinement.

Citizen's arrest? Really?

If he could force her onto the balcony, he could force her out of the apartment. Men are meant to protect woman WTF was he thinking ?!

[Inferiortools]

She was afraid for her life. She panics and attacks him, but he is way bigger and stronger than her. He drags her out to the balcony (instead of out the front door) and leaves her there. She has no phone, neighbors are possibly asleep, she wants to scream for help but is afraid he will come out and finish her off, so while intoxicated decides to try and climb down to the balcony below. She slips and tragically falls to her death.

If you fear a person is going to murder you ("I just want to go home", "You've been a bad girl") and you die while trying to flee that person, that person can be charged with murder. Especially if that person flees the scene, and especially if the scene happens to be that person's house. He threatened her and she died while in his care. That is it. This is it. Boom.

This is the precedent for murder in this case.

Kelly Healey was in the shower when her boyfriend broke down the bathroom door, grabbed her throat and punched her in the face.
Terrified and in fear of her life, Ms Healey is thought to have climbed out the window and fallen 21m to her death.
Her boyfriend, 33-year-old tattooist Kim William Royall, was found guilty of her murder ? not because he necessarily threw her, but because she fell trying to escape him.

Titty boom-ba?

[Words Words]

If he could force her onto the balcony, he could force her out of the apartment. Men are meant to protect woman WTF was he thinking ?!

I should probably have reread what he claimed to have happened before posting this because I could be wrong, but didn't he explain that he would have put more effort into opening the front door than he did the balcony door?


This is all kinds of fucked the more I read, the more fucked it seems.

[Boston Babe 73]

I should probably have reread what he claimed to have happened before posting this because I could be wrong, but didn't he explain that he would have put more effort into opening the front door than he did the balcony door?


This is all kinds of fucked the more I read, the more fucked it seems.

That's what he claims. But it seems like a weak excuse. What would have been easiest was letting her leave earlier in the night instead of trying to convince her to stay. Before the big argument. He exacerbated the situation IMO .

[Inferiortools]

I should probably have reread what he claimed to have happened before posting this because I could be wrong, but didn't he explain that he would have put more effort into opening the front door than he did the balcony door?

He wouldn't have to use any effort if he just left and called the police.

Seems like he has an explanation for everything he does wrong, but his narcissism blinds him of the truth.

[Words Words]

Would you leave a crazy person in your house while they were already destroying it? Not that I am defending him, but I don't think that this would be such a hot topic if he wasn't so arrogant. Seeing if from the other side, if he were just a normal guy, she appears to be on drugs or something...so I could see where the bad decisions were coming from, especially with his being impaired.

[IzzyCooper]

If he could force her onto the balcony, he could force her out of the apartment. Men are meant to protect woman WTF was he thinking ?!

Men aren't meant to protect women. We aren't frail, fragile little girls. We are strong and fierce. We just need to make better choices regarding who we drink with and who we bang.

[Words Words]

Men aren't meant to protect women. We aren't frail, fragile little girls. We are strong and fierce. We just need to make better choices regarding who we drink with and who we bang.

^^^
THIS!

[Inferiortools]

We just need to make better choices regarding who we drink with and who we bang.

No we don't. That's why we invented criminal law.


And divorce.

[TupeloHoney]

He wouldn't have to use any effort if he just left and called the police.

Seems like he has an explanation for everything he does wrong, but his narcissism blinds him of the truth.

So ... he should have fled his own apartment? He should have let someone who was basically a total stranger drive him out of his home?







And are you suggesting he had something from which to flee?

[animosity]

yep. i'm going to let tupelo do all the talking because she's good at it.

[Inferiortools]

So ... he should have fled his own apartment? He should have let someone who was basically a total stranger drive him out of his home?

And are you suggesting he had something from which to flee?

He could have returned home, with the police to escort her out of the building.

Yes, a murder charge, when she fell from his place. If he would have left and called the cops, she would still be alive, and he wouldn't have his life crashing down on him. If he stayed after the incident and assisted with the investigation, and shown a morsel of remorse, he might have not been charged, and maybe gain some leniency towards his other charges for having to go through something so traumatic.

Instead he went to get a slice of pizza. Supreme that sh!t.

[Words Words]

So ... he should have fled his own apartment? He should have let someone who was basically a total stranger drive him out of his home?







And are you suggesting he had something from which to flee?

This is almost exactly what I said in my post that's waiting for approval from mods. She was throwing things and all that...I wouldn't want someone in my house with solid metal objects or even rocks damaging my stuff.

[superiorIntelligence]

If he could force her onto the balcony, he could force her out of the apartment. Men are meant to protect woman WTF was he thinking ?!

And women are supposed to act like ladies. What was she thinking?

[blighted star]

That is true for people on both sides of the debate, isn't it? And I don't think obsessing over tiny details is exclusive to one side or the other. (Pizza, anyone?)

Some people (and I don't mean just here at mds) are crossing their fingers in hopes police have evidence that proves GT is a murderer, but others prefer to presume his innocence based on known evidence rather than presume guilt based on evidence that might not even exist.

The police said GT was not on the balcony when she fell, and he is accused of committing "a life-threatening act by assaulting her and locking her on his balcony, causing her to fear for her life and try to escape." And although I understand Australian authorities tend to keep a lot of info to themselves during an investigation, I don't believe for a hot second that if GT had put WW on/over the railing, Prosecutor Ben Power would have said this: "In this case, the dangerous act was shoving the victim out onto a 14-story balcony and locking her out there."

He made that statement at the bail hearing in November ... long after the cherry picker was at GT's apartment building and long after prints would have been taken.

The authorities said during the same hearing that they will rely almost completely on the audio and the toxicology report (http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...-1227127491700); and, as our discussions here have shown, the recording seems to be open to interpretation. (And the toxicology report wasn't complete at the time of that hearing.)

I realize that some folks are banking on toxicology showing that GT either drugged her or that his home brew was a super-strong concoction, but I've known people who, with the right amount of (totally legal) alcohol, completely lose control and act like crazy people ... even with no drugs involved at all. So I'm not convinced that WW's behavior was a result of alcohol that was significantly stronger than what can be bought at the store (or drugs.) I guess we'll have to wait for that important piece of the puzzle.

I'm not banking on anything, at this point anything is possible - maybe she'd previously visited a lower level Gold Coast apartment, saw the water shining outside the window, forgot where she was & was drunk enough to mistakenly think the ground was closer?

I already explained a little of the history of QLD's police force - they were once known as the most corrupt & racist police force in Australia & it wasn't that long ago. Currently there are serious questions being raised about their impartiality but I won't fill the thread with it, people can read up themselves if they're interested.

Also, certain sections of QLD Police & their DPP appear to have taken a liking to the tv star-like following the recent Baden-Clay case brought them. They also continue to employ & support the only police officer EVER charged in the death of a black prisoner in Australia. So I read everything involving /from them with all of this in mind.

It's Gable's own words & the recording that make me lean toward Warriena's side in this, & the fact that QLD Police could've easily written this off as an accident & presented Warriena the way they usually present black girls in QLD.


I definitely understand there's a possibility Gable's been unfairly represented, but I don't think some his defenders here are willing to concede the same for Warriena. Ignoring everything else, in the final minutes/seconds, she pleaded to leave, he refused to let her & forced her to the balcony door rather than the hall. If there's no evidence we're not aware of that exchange is probably going to be the focus.

[bowieluva]

And women are supposed to act like ladies. What was she thinking?

Counteracting sexism with sexism?

[hamdinger125]

Blighted, are you saying that the PD might be going after this guy, who had a hand in the death of a minority woman, a little over-zealously to make up for their corrupt and racist past? (I'm genuinely asking).

[Bert Stareson]

Uh, call the cops, leave, push her out the door, take control of the situation?

Pretty sure she had a good reason to try and escape from him, especially after he said he would throw her off the balcony. And shoving her onto the balcony, after she says she wants to go home and he says no, can be considered an attempt to commit kidnapping and forcible confinement.

Citizen's arrest? Really?

How could he call anyone while being persistently peltered and assaulted? He restrained her, tried to make her leave, then as soon as he let her go she was at it again. He had to constrain her some way, and locking someone in a room is arguably the safest thing to do. Would you rather he retaliated with his fists or tied her up?

He didn't threaten to throw her off his balcony, he made (what later turned out to be a coincidentally poor choice of words) a comment to the effect of "you're lucky I'm so tolerant".