Phoebe Jonchuck, 5, Thrown Off Bridge by Father

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Seconded. I have a friend with MS who parents her child fine, considering the challenges.

Well to be fair there is a whole range of MS from "I get tired easily, have numbness and worry a lot about the future" to "sometimes I'm strong enough that I can hold a spoon"

Most people with MS manage their kids (especially kids who are 5 or older) just fine. But I can certainly imagine a situation where caring for a small child would be impossible. I don't know how long Dad has been so very off of his rocker but he could have appeared to be better able to care for poor Phoebe at the time the decision was made.

Sad, sad situation.

[Boston Babe 73]

Well to be fair there is a whole range of MS from "I get tired easily, have numbness and worry a lot about the future" to "sometimes I'm strong enough that I can hold a spoon"

Most people with MS manage their kids (especially kids who are 5 or older) just fine. But I can certainly imagine a situation where caring for a small child would be impossible. I don't know how long Dad has been so very off of his rocker but he could have appeared to be better able to care for poor Phoebe at the time the decision was made.

Sad, sad situation.

I think most people are referring to this particular Woman's condition. The "Having a hard time holding a spoon" type of MS is mainly Primary Progressive. It's safe to say this Woman has Relapsing Remitting. Which is much more common and able to be managed. This isn't to say that people with RR don't experience debilitating relapses. But the initial reports on the Mother was that she gave the child to the Father because she suffered from "Debilitating MS". That's clearly not the case in this situation and I think that's what people are pointing out.

Yes I do have sympathy for her because she lost her daughter and it was he, not her that killed her. But I stand by my statement that the girl didn't have a chance. And that she's a disgusting example of the disease. How many people who can't walk, talk, eat WISH they had the abilities she has and she uses it as an excuse. JMO

[PeaceBeWithMe]

I think most people are referring to this particular Woman's condition. The "Having a hard time holding a spoon" type of MS is mainly Primary Progressive. It's safe to say this Woman has Relapsing Remitting. Which is much more common and able to be managed. This isn't to say that people with RR don't experience debilitating relapses. But the initial reports on the Mother was that she gave the child to the Father because she suffered from "Debilitating MS". That's clearly not the case in this situation and I think that's what people are pointing out.

Yes I do have sympathy for her because she lost her daughter and it was he, not her that killed her. But I stand by my statement that the girl didn't have a chance. And that she's a disgusting example of the disease. How many people who can't walk, talk, eat WISH they had the abilities she has and she uses it as an excuse. JMO

Welp, she's obviously well enough to glue on pasties and hold a camera. That's for sure.

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Welp, she's obviously well enough to glue on pasties and hold a camera. That's for sure.

But that's MS for you. You can be fine one day and unable to get out of bed the next, and almost as good as new the day after that. I'm not saying that this is the case with Phoebe's Mom, but you can't judge an MS patient by their appearance in pictures. My Mom has MS. She's been sick for 45 years or so. Now there is no doubt that she's a very sick lady. In the 70's, most days she was fine, no one would notice a problem, but there were days when she'd have had to find care for me if I'd been a young child.

[PeaceBeWithMe]

But that's MS for you. You can be fine one day and unable to get out of bed the next, and almost as good as new the day after that. I'm not saying that this is the case with Phoebe's Mom, but you can't judge an MS patient by their appearance in pictures. My Mom has MS. She's been sick for 45 years or so. Now there is no doubt that she's a very sick lady. In the 70's, most days she was fine, no one would notice a problem, but there were days when she'd have had to find care for me if I'd been a young child.

Oh, I'm not judging her for her MS. I'm judging her for her poor taste.

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Oh, I'm not judging her for her MS. I'm judging her for her poor taste.

Well yeah. There's plenty of that. And even if you personally can't take care of your kid, you can scream your head off when the crazy x gets really crazy. Poor little girl.

[PeaceBeWithMe]

Well yeah. There's plenty of that. And even if you personally can't take care of your kid, you can scream your head off when the crazy x gets really crazy. Poor little girl.

That's why I'm so gutted about this. There is no way she did not know this guy was questionable, at best. My 7yo grandson has a father who constantly does drugs and is in and out of jail.

He gets phone contact.

And if my daughter had MS, he'd be cycling all contact through me.

There is ZERO chance we would allow him to have custody of this little boy. Period.

She lives in my home with him, and we're his family unit. I gather him from daycare when she's working and I babysit him each and every weekend so his mom can earn the money to buy him the things he needs.

I'd starve before I let this asshole get his hands on this little boy.

God, this story is just so horrible.