Casey Anthony (22) is accused of murdering her two-year-old daughter

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=Nomad link=topic=15230.msg1128397#msg1128397 date=1230147276]
I wish they wouldn't publicize everything about these cases before they went to trail.  I mean, there's absolutely no way to get an impartial jusry out of this because you have to be living in a cave somewhere in the Rocky Mountains to not have heard of Casey Anthony.  I have my own opinions - I've already convicted her in my head and it's 100% based on what I've read through the media.

I think they should televise the trial, and that's it.  Leave it out of the media until it goes to trial, and then let people make up their minds.

But that'll never happen....


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are there really people that allow the media to make their minds for them?      

[bowieluva]

[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=15230.msg1128401#msg1128401 date=1230147431]
are there really people that allow the media to make their minds for them?      
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Yes. If the media had no power, there would be no media.

[spooksandmango]

[quote author=Nomad link=topic=15230.msg1128397#msg1128397 date=1230147276]
I wish they wouldn't publicize everything about these cases before they went to trail.  I mean, there's absolutely no way to get an impartial jusry out of this because you have to be living in a cave somewhere in the Rocky Mountains to not have heard of Casey Anthony.  I have my own opinions - I've already convicted her in my head and it's 100% based on what I've read through the media.

I think they should televise the trial, and that's it.  Leave it out of the media until it goes to trial, and then let people make up their minds.


But that'll never happen....


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In cases like though how would that work .... Is it not best to get the childs face out in the public's eye as much as we  can to try to help find her . Had no one knew she was missing her body might not have ever been found . This has  two sides you can not try to get help to find a lost child without the media attention and with that the media is going to ask questions . I do know somepeople  around me who have never heard of the case at all .

[Karalicious]

I would love for the trial to be televised but i highly doubt that would happen.

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1128404#msg1128404 date=1230147504]
Yes. If the media had no power, there would be no media.
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but the power to do what?  i dont allow the media to make up my mind.  i kinda dont understand that.

[bowieluva]

[quote author=Karalicious link=topic=15230.msg1128410#msg1128410 date=1230147733]
I would love for the trial to be televised but i highly doubt that would happen.
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Lots of judges loathe having courtroom procedures broadcast, although it is, tenatively, protected by the constitution. However, it tends to turn the trial into a circus, with attorneys competing over performance, and more importance is placed on how good an actor a lawyer is than the actual evidence. There are actual studies into how Law and Order has warped people's perspectives on what a trial should be.

[deeply shaded]

We all think everyone knows all about this because we know all about it, we have read every word and followed this case daily. I am willing to bet the farm, however, that I could walk up to 10 people in the next half hour and ask them about Casey Anthony and at least 7 of them would say, "Who?" And when I gave details there would still be at least one of them that would say they know little or nothing about it.

Not everyone has internet access, not everyone is fascinated by this kind of stuff and not everyone watches Nancy Grace. My parents don't even have cable. They would have no clue, and they aren't alone. Juries can always be found, no matter how far fetched that seems to us.

[Ron_NYC]

[quote author=spooksandmango link=topic=15230.msg1128407#msg1128407 date=1230147564]

In cases like though how would that work .... Is it not best to get the childs face out in the public's eye as much as we  can to try to help find her . Had no one knew she was missing her body might not have ever been found . This has  two sides you can not try to get help to find a lost child without the media attention and with that the media is going to ask questions . I do know somepeople  around me who have never heard of the case at all .
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What? Like no other child has gone missing since Caylee did? Don't kid yourself, this media attention is NOT about finding the kid. It's about getting the public riled up into a frenzy over Casey before she even goes to trial.


[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=15230.msg1128411#msg1128411 date=1230147761]
but the power to do what?  i dont allow the media to make up my mind.  i kinda dont understand that.
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I kinda don't understand Christianity, but that isn't stopping anyone from being influenced by it.

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=15230.msg1128414#msg1128414 date=1230147889]
We all think everyone knows all about this because we know all about it, we have read every word and followed this case daily. I am willing to bet the farm, however, that I could walk up to 10 people in the next half hour and ask them about Casey Anthony and at least 7 of them would say, "Who?" And when I gave details there would still be at least one of them that would say they know little or nothing about it.

Not everyone has internet access, not everyone is fascinated by this kind of stuff and not everyone watches Nancy Grace. My parents don't even have cable. They would have no clue, and they aren't alone. Juries can always be found, no matter how far fetched that seems to us.
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very, very true!!!!!

[Karalicious]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1128413#msg1128413 date=1230147886]
Lots of judges loathe having courtroom procedures broadcast, although it is, tenatively, protected by the constitution. However, it tends to turn the trial into a circus, with attorneys competing over performance, and more importance is placed on how good an actor a lawyer is than the actual evidence. There are actual studies into how Law and Order has warped people's perspectives on what a trial should be.
[/quote] Oh, i totally believe that. I think this case is already a circus enough, i think they'll deny cameras. what do you think?

[spooksandmango]

[quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=15230.msg1128414#msg1128414 date=1230147889]
We all think everyone knows all about this because we know all about it, we have read every word and followed this case daily. I am willing to bet the farm, however, that I could walk up to 10 people in the next half hour and ask them about Casey Anthony and at least 7 of them would say, "Who?" And when I gave details there would still be at least one of them that would say they know little or nothing about it.

Not everyone has internet access, not everyone is fascinated by this kind of stuff and not everyone watches Nancy Grace. My parents don't even have cable. They would have no clue, and they aren't alone. Juries can always be found, no matter how far fetched that seems to us.
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Your right I know atleast a half a dozen  people who have no clue about this case  and maybe 20 more that refers to Caylee as that missing girl ( no disrespect intended ). We all know though if she gets convicted that this card will be played by the defense . She did not get a fair trail  because of the jury .

[Nomad]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=15230.msg1128415#msg1128415 date=1230147965]
What? Like no other child has gone missing since Caylee did? Don't kid yourself, this media attention is NOT about finding the kid. It's about getting the public riled up into a frenzy over Casey before she even goes to trial.


I kinda don't understand Christianity, but that isn't stopping anyone from being influenced by it.
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They can publicize the search for the kid without reporting on everythign the mother does while in custody.  "Caylee Anthony still missing - mother takes two shits in same day."  I mean, let the local people conduct the search for the kid.  Publicize it there but don't give out ALL the details of the case. 

[LetzRyde]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=15230.msg1128415#msg1128415 date=1230147965]
What? Like no other child has gone missing since Caylee did? Don't kid yourself, this media attention is NOT about finding the kid. It's about getting the public riled up into a frenzy over Casey before she even goes to trial.


I kinda don't understand Christianity, but that isn't stopping anyone from being influenced by it.
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i'm speaking more in individual terms, to say that it isnt wise to allow the media or anyone else to influence what someone may think about any given topic or subject or person.  one should think and use their own mind, judgement, thoughts when they want to make a decision on something.  same thing goes with feelings and shit.  never allow another person to dictate how you feel.  or think!!!!    

[Nomad]

[quote author=LetzRyde link=topic=15230.msg1128425#msg1128425 date=1230148333]
i'm speaking more in individual terms, to say that it isnt wise to allow the media or anyone else to influence what someone may think about any given topic or subject or person.  one should think and use their own mind, judgement, thoughts when they want to make a decision on something.  same thing goes with feelings and shit.  never allow another person to dictate how you feel.  or think!!!!    
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How do you do that when every single detail of an issue or situation is coming from the media?  The media is the ONLY source most of the time, unless you know the people involved personally.  The media does kind of have the power to sway your opinions, because it can give you only the information it wants to.

[bowieluva]

[quote author=Karalicious link=topic=15230.msg1128420#msg1128420 date=1230148064]
Oh, i totally believe that. I think this case is already a circus enough, i think they'll deny cameras. what do you think?
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I agree. I also think Casey won't want cameras.  Some of these trials, the defendant really somehow thinks of themselves as victims/rock stars. So they want the trial aired because they want to preen for the camera. Casey is obviously a disturbed woman but hasn't been attempting to use the media to turn people towards her side.  Say a lot of things about her, but I will give her that.  And I will also say that is probably why the media have been so avid to convict her sans trial.  She's not working with them, so they are against her.

Honestly, things are amiss in this case.  While I do think she is most likely dumb and killed her kid, I don't understand why the body wasn't recovered after such extensive searches, or why she was so smugly confident that they would never find a body. And I certainly don't believe shit like suddenly finding Caylee's personal objects scattered around the property. Why would that ever happen?  If she killed the kid, it's not like she chased Caylee through the woods while Caylee dropped her possessions like breadcrumbs.

In the long run, the media and blogger attention this case received will be its undoing, IMO.  There's a lot of compelling arguments that would say, hey, why did all this shit just end up here after police didn't find anything?  It would be easy to argue a frame job and even easier to get evidence thrown out on the basis that it's tainted.  All they need is compelling proof that one excited vigilante internet person came on her property and into the house.

My guess is her defense will argue that Caylee was kidnapped and the kidnappers, who killed her, used the attention and lack of security around the 'crime scene' to dump the body AFTER they knew Casey would be the primary suspect.  Do I think this is true?  no.  Do I think it takes one sympathetic grandma or conspiracy theorist to hang a jury after hearing about the unprofessional way in which this search was conducted? Yes.

And that, sarcasm aside, is my take on this.

[spooksandmango]

[quote author=Nomad link=topic=15230.msg1128427#msg1128427 date=1230148481]
How do you do that when every single detail of an issue or situation is coming from the media?  The media is the ONLY source most of the time, unless you know the people involved personally.  The media does kind of have the power to sway your opinions, because it can give you only the information it wants to.
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This is more general but if you think about it we let others words dictate to us our feeling ..... Listen hear me out . Even here  we let what others post  paint us a picture of each other. We all know who is tuff who is an asshole and who we like and dislike .We judge each other not from just the person we are judging's words but from what other have said about them . Its easy to say we should not let it happen  but not so easy to do .

[*boogins*]

[quote author=spooksandmango link=topic=15230.msg1128430#msg1128430 date=1230148724]
This is more general but if you think about it we let others words dictate to us our feeling ..... Listen hear me out . Even here  we let what others post  paint us a picture of each other. We all know who is tuff who is an asshole and who we like and dislike .We judge each other not from just the person we are judging's words but from what other have said about them . Its easy to say we should not let it happen  but not so easy to do .
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True. Unfortunately, many people just can't seem to be independant and take truth in the quote:

"Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear." - Dinah Murlock Craik

ETA: originally this quote was from Benjamin Franklin - he was a smart man - people should really take heed to this to avoid misunderstandings.

[Mortis]

[quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=15230.msg1128414#msg1128414 date=1230147889]
We all think everyone knows all about this because we know all about it, we have read every word and followed this case daily. I am willing to bet the farm, however, that I could walk up to 10 people in the next half hour and ask them about Casey Anthony and at least 7 of them would say, "Who?" And when I gave details there would still be at least one of them that would say they know little or nothing about it.

Not everyone has internet access, not everyone is fascinated by this kind of stuff and not everyone watches Nancy Grace. My parents don't even have cable. They would have no clue, and they aren't alone. Juries can always be found, no matter how far fetched that seems to us.
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True enough...now through all the people who aren't registered to vote.... or haven't changed an address.  Most people who vote regularly, are more inclined to have seen or heard the news, especially people in Florida. (I would like to think anyway)

I could sit on it, and I'm pretty close to it geographically, so I'm saturated with it.

Not everyone has the same views on circumstance vs proof. 

I personally feel the probability she killed her child is high. I absolutely agree that her behavior following Caylee's disappearance was reprehensible. I have no doubt she was involved in the kids death and the cover up afterward.

I have yet to see the proof that she maliciously killed Caylee. Florida has the Death Penalty. Unless they can show me more than they have, and if the defense can show me even a half ass believable scenario, I could not in good conscience, sentence this girl to death. Negligent Homicide, Manslaughter, Obstruction of Justice, Various laws dealing with evidence, corpses, and such, can all be brought up undisputed for the most part.

Sorry before I kill someone, and sleep well at night, I have to be absolutely sure it wasn't some drunken accident, and idiotic cover up attempt.

Those events would be horrible, and tragic..... and she should pay.......but it's not worth killing her over.

[puzzld]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1128428#msg1128428 date=1230148541]

My guess is her defense will argue that Caylee was kidnapped and the kidnappers, who killed her, used the attention and lack of security around the 'crime scene' to dump the body AFTER they knew Casey would be the primary suspect.  Do I think this is true?  no.  Do I think it takes one sympathetic grandma or conspiracy theorist to hang a jury after hearing about the unprofessional way in which this search was conducted? Yes.

And that, sarcasm aside, is my take on this.
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Exactly.

I don't believe it's what happened, but I think its the best hope the defense has.

[Karalicious]

the fact that they found her book there is really puzzling to me. why would someone (casey, whoever) dumped the body AND personal items that are very publicly linked to Caylee. that's really odd.

[ashleyhope]

[quote author=deeply shaded link=topic=15230.msg1128414#msg1128414 date=1230147889]
We all think everyone knows all about this because we know all about it, we have read every word and followed this case daily. I am willing to bet the farm, however, that I could walk up to 10 people in the next half hour and ask them about Casey Anthony and at least 7 of them would say, "Who?" And when I gave details there would still be at least one of them that would say they know little or nothing about it.

Not everyone has internet access, not everyone is fascinated by this kind of stuff and not everyone watches Nancy Grace. My parents don't even have cable. They would have no clue, and they aren't alone. Juries can always be found, no matter how far fetched that seems to us.
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I believe this is true because i have mentioned several times recently to people around me that 'they found the little girl or they have identified the body' and they have no idea what im talking about or who Caylee or Casey is.

this seems so hard to believe...that people honestly dont know about whats going on....but you know they dont all watch the news, or even tv and alot of people dont care.  :|

[bowieluva]

[quote author=Karalicious link=topic=15230.msg1128525#msg1128525 date=1230155104]
the fact that they found her book there is really puzzling to me. why would someone (casey, whoever) dumped the body AND personal items that are very publicly linked to Caylee. that's really odd.
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It reeks of set up.  It sounds like some very stupid but determined follower of the trial was like aderrr this should make it iron clad aderrr.

[ashleyhope]

[quote author=Karalicious link=topic=15230.msg1128525#msg1128525 date=1230155104]
the fact that they found her book there is really puzzling to me. why would someone (casey, whoever) dumped the body AND personal items that are very publicly linked to Caylee. that's really odd.
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the book really seems out of place to me also. i just feel like its really random that out of the few photos or videos we have of Caylee....that the book we see in it is now part of the crime scene. that seems staged or something.

[Bama Star]

[quote author=ashleyhope link=topic=15230.msg1128535#msg1128535 date=1230155777]
the book really seems out of place to me also. i just feel like its really random that out of the few photos or videos we have of Caylee....that the book we see in it is now part of the crime scene. that seems staged or something.
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Well they say they didn't find the body during the searches because it was underwater but they did search around that area so where was the book then? If it was under water the entire time, you would think there would be very damaged... it doesn't look very damaged in the pictures posted on here, maybe a little dirty but not like it had been under water for almost 6 months..... AND if it wasn't under water then why was it just found?

[spooksandmango]

[quote author=Bama Star link=topic=15230.msg1128544#msg1128544 date=1230156977]

Well they say they didn't find the body during the searches because it was underwater but they did search around that area so where was the book then? If it was under water the entire time, you would think there would be very damaged... it doesn't look very damaged in the pictures posted on here, maybe a little dirty but not like it had been under water for almost 6 months..... AND if it wasn't under water then why was it just found?
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Maybe I am stupid or i have dealt with this with my kids , but my son has a bad habbit or trying to "read' in the tub .I know a fact that some books float. My first thought was if the book was with her it would have surfaced when the water was there. Books also mold very fast with water damage and stick together to one big glob of paper . I really do not see that book  being there for that length of time .