Casey Anthony (22) is accused of murdering her two-year-old daughter

[bowieluva]

[quote author=spooksandmango link=topic=15230.msg1128561#msg1128561 date=1230159085]
Maybe I am stupid or i have dealt with this with my kids , but my son has a bad habbit or trying to "read' in the tub .I know a fact that some books float. My first thought was if the book was with her it would have surfaced when the water was there. Books also mold very fast with water damage and stick together to one big glob of paper . I really do not see that book  being there for that length of time .
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It's not like she was swimming in there.  She was in a garbage bag with tape on her mouth. That kinda implies she was way dead prior to being dumped.

[AliciaDawn]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1128562#msg1128562 date=1230159222]
It's not like she was swimming in there.  She was in a garbage bag with tape on her mouth. That kinda implies she was way dead prior to being dumped.
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This is all getting alil fishy

[TinkerBelly]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=15230.msg1128415#msg1128415 date=1230147965]
What? Like no other child has gone missing since Caylee did? Don't kid yourself, this media attention is NOT about finding the kid. It's about getting the public riled up into a frenzy over Casey before she even goes to trial.


I kinda don't understand Christianity, but that isn't stopping anyone from being influenced by it.
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I said something similar earlier.  What about the other thousands of kids that are missing and got NO media attention but yet Nancy Grace dedicated one hour solely on Caylee for months?  Casey is a colorful character and picking her life apart has been a feeding frenzy for the media.

It would have been a great forum to showcase other missing children in the corner of the screen during Nancy's hour after hour coverage of one child.  Your average stay at home mom who didn't enter hot body contests and compulsivey lie would have NEVER stayed in the media this long.

[Bella]

[quote author=spooksandmango link=topic=15230.msg1128561#msg1128561 date=1230159085]
Maybe I am stupid or i have dealt with this with my kids , but my son has a bad habbit or trying to "read' in the tub .I know a fact that some books float. My first thought was if the book was with her it would have surfaced when the water was there. Books also mold very fast with water damage and stick together to one big glob of paper . I really do not see that book  being there for that length of time .
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When I first started doing fire repair in the 80s, a local high school library burned.
Just the water from the fire hoses, and sprinklers damaged most of the books. To be salvaged from warping, and mold, they were freeze dried to salvage what they could. It's not like these books were actually submerged for any period of time, and they still got moldy.

[Jonelle]

Eheeemmm - please Exsqueeze me in for just a moment ... I've been a pretty silent bystander over the past 6 - 8 mnts or so, just b/c of the constant petty nickering that goes on that is well opposed to when I first joined but what i would like to ask is this:

How many of you WOULD have been relieved to hear that the remains were in fact NOT Caylee's and were unfortunately some other unknown unnamed toddler ... who could not be identified or acknowledged ? Never to have a proper burial ? This is a big thing in our state - and I keep thinking how screwy people are to have said that they "hope the body doesnt turn out to be Caylee"

[Mortis]

[quote author=Jonelle link=topic=15230.msg1128730#msg1128730 date=1230183055]
Eheeemmm - please Exsqueeze me in for just a moment ... I've been a pretty silent bystander over the past 6 - 8 mnts or so, just b/c of the constant petty nickering that goes on that is well opposed to when I first joined but what i would like to ask is this:

How many of you WOULD have been relieved to hear that the remains were in fact NOT Caylee's and were unfortunately some other unknown unnamed toddler ... who could not be identified or acknowledged ? Never to have a proper burial ? This is a big thing in our state - and I keep thinking how screwy people are to have said that they "hope the body doesnt turn out to be Caylee"
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I wasn't involved in the conversations....  but that very subject has been broached in this thread a few times already.

I think people say that Jonelle, because after all the publicity, you have a look into these peoples lives and it makes it more personal.

Just as a for instance.... I don't know you, but if one of your loved ones was missing, and a body were found, would I be wrong in saying, "I hope it isn't Jonelle's family member"?.
No, of course I wouldn't, and it would not diminish the fact that someone else died. It's just that I feel a more personal connection to you, just by this forum we share, than I do a completely anonymous stranger.

[AliciaDawn]

[quote author=Jonelle link=topic=15230.msg1128730#msg1128730 date=1230183055]
Eheeemmm - please Exsqueeze me in for just a moment ... I've been a pretty silent bystander over the past 6 - 8 mnts or so, just b/c of the constant petty nickering that goes on that is well opposed to when I first joined but what i would like to ask is this:

How many of you WOULD have been relieved to hear that the remains were in fact NOT Caylee's and were unfortunately some other unknown unnamed toddler ... who could not be identified or acknowledged ? Never to have a proper burial ? This is a big thing in our state - and I keep thinking how screwy people are to have said that they "hope the body doesnt turn out to be Caylee"
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Honestly, i would have been relieved to hear it wasn't Caylee, but then again that does mean they do have evidence for another missing person and they could solve that case. Just cause we obsess over this case doesn't mean we don't realise that there are others out there.

I think I have figure out why this thread gets so much attention- it is because it is still on the front page of MDS. Just a thought though.

[Jonelle]

I completely get that part. I agree. And I've read where the topic of other childrens murders not being highly public in the media is not fair. I agree with that. But no one really brought up the point of "damn now I know that it's not 2 kids deaths" on my mind at night. I hope the sociopathic piece of crap mother (and I use the term LOOSELY) - Rots in jail. And no I dont think she deserves the death sentence. She is by far too narcissistic to get an easy way out. I have a 5 yr old and I cant imagine the pain it is causing.

Now to my viewpoint - I understand the human mind may feel connected to someone because of publicity. However for the amount of children kidnappings and rapes which have occurred in this state over the past 5 yrs . Also how many of them were made ridiculously public - I'd have to say that I was more curious to find out the results of their analysis but at no point in time would I have been saddened more by the fact that it was in fact Caylee. Part of me was relieved to know that this was not another child murder that has come to light. I think it was clear that the possibility of it not being her was slim to none. But I CAN say that I am happy in knowing that this is not ANOTHER baby killing.

[Mortis]

[quote author=Jonelle link=topic=15230.msg1128744#msg1128744 date=1230184781]
I completely get that part. I agree. And I've read where the topic of other childrens murders not being highly public in the media is not fair. I agree with that. But no one really brought up the point of "damn now I know that it's not 2 kids deaths" on my mind at night. I hope the sociopathic piece of crap mother (and I use the term LOOSELY) - Rots in jail. And no I dont think she deserves the death sentence. She is by far too narcissistic to get an easy way out. I have a 5 yr old and I cant imagine the pain it is causing.

Now to my viewpoint - I understand the human mind may feel connected to someone because of publicity. However for the amount of children kidnappings and rapes which have occurred in this state over the past 5 yrs . Also how many of them were made ridiculously public - I'd have to say that I was more curious to find out the results of their analysis but at no point in time would I have been saddened more by the fact that it was in fact Caylee. Part of me was relieved to know that this was not another child murder that has come to light. I think it was clear that the possibility of it not being her was slim to none. But I CAN say that I am happy in knowing that this is not ANOTHER baby killing.
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I don't think anyone here will disagree with with just about everything you said, and I'm glad it isn't another kid either.
But I myself don't lose sleep over other people's problems and issues. If it was my kid, or a friends kid then I would.

I try to keep from getting too attached to any case, or tragedy.  There are a couple exceptions, like I volunteered myself and my boat for Katrina, but was politely declined.
I got really wrapped up in an article on here once....  and it really fucked with me.

I also truly believe there is a lot more good in the world than most people think. For every Casey Anthony story, or anonymous missing kid story, there are stories of all the good that is done, that never gets reported.  What state are you talking about where all these rapes and kidnappings occur?

I live in florida, and most of our cases are pretty well publicized. Jessica Lunsford for instance....  No pretty Mommy, No money, Just a poor kid.... but she got publicity. There was a case of a Mexican migrant girl here who was abducted, and it was a family thing, and it got publicity. Whenever a kid anywhere in Florida is missing, every TV station, and Radio station puts out an Amber alert.

Everyone wants to say how shitty everything is, but there have been lots of steps taken in the last decade or so to really try to end this sort of thing.

[Jonelle]

Yes I know you do ... somewhere in the Tampa Bay area if I remember correctly lol. As at one point you were on my myspace friend list ... I am in Palm Harbor. I'm just SOOOO sick of the child murders related to this state. It seems every year if not twice a year there is some HUGE case about a child and a f*cked in the head adult that I'm happy when I find that theres not another crazy story coming to light :(

[48nascarfan]

[quote author=Mortis link=topic=15230.msg1128776#msg1128776 date=1230186009]
I don't think anyone here will disagree with with just about everything you said, and I'm glad it isn't another kid either.
But I myself don't lose sleep over other people's problems and issues. If it was my kid, or a friends kid then I would.

I try to keep from getting too attached to any case, or tragedy.   There are a couple exceptions, like I volunteered myself and my boat for Katrina, but was politely declined.
I got really wrapped up in an article on here once....  and it really fucked with me.

I also truly believe there is a lot more good in the world than most people think. For every Casey Anthony story, or anonymous missing kid story, there are stories of all the good that is done, that never gets reported.  What state are you talking about where all these rapes and kidnappings occur?

I live in florida, and most of our cases are pretty well publicized. Jessica Lunsford for instance....   No pretty Mommy, No money, Just a poor kid.... but she got publicity. There was a case of a Mexican migrant girl here who was abducted, and it was a family thing, and it got publicity. Whenever a kid anywhere in Florida is missing, every TV station, and Radio station puts out an Amber alert.

Everyone wants to say how shitty everything is, but there have been lots of steps taken in the last decade or so to really try to end this sort of thing.


Not to jack the thread, but where in FL are ya? Cause I swear, I am doing all I can to be there next week. Most likely Orlando, but I'd prefer like Coco Beach where we can swim. But my BIL works at Disney and can get us discount at any of their hotels and shit. And for DisneyWorld too but  been there done that  and so over it. Universal too.I just want to lay on a beach and tan. And be hot!
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[Jonelle]

I think the problem with a state like ours is that people move a lot of the time for desperate reasons. Nobody murder me b/c I understand this is not the reason for all people. Unfortunately often people move b/c of criminal records, bad relationships, financial difficulties etc etc.  And Mortis I do agree again ... Florida does take a LOT more precaution when it comes to children especially since the Lunsford episode.

Sadly our state is a melting pot for illegals who cannot be tracked easily when or if they commit a crime and on to people who are more likely to flee when they have an issue. Families are not as solid here. Jobs are not as solid and the rate of homes being lost is immense. This does effect our society as a whole. But it just seems that though there are a lot of upstanding citizens here - gradually the scum of the earth targets florida as a "new chance" and crime becomes ridiculous. Its sad really.

Hence all of the national publicity. Id like to hear less of these things than hope and pray on one situation. Thats all. Ciao 4 Now

[TinkerBelly]

[quote author=Karalicious link=topic=15230.msg1128525#msg1128525 date=1230155104]
the fact that they found her book there is really puzzling to me. why would someone (casey, whoever) dumped the body AND personal items that are very publicly linked to Caylee. that's really odd.
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Casey isn't that smart ya know.  I think she paniced driving around with the dead baby in her trunk and just needed to dump it ASAP and didn't give much thought to where or the possibility of incriminating eveidence.
I think she hoped they found the body sooner and she would have used the Zanny the Nanny did it - which I still think will be part of the defense strategy.

[azkarisma]

[quote author=ToyotaIQ link=topic=15230.msg1127967#msg1127967 date=1230112808]
They found her book in the woods.  :-(





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Is this confirmed as her book, or just speculation of the news media or whomever took that photo?  I am always interested in reliability of sources, for this reason:

[quote author=Hellbettie link=topic=15230.msg1128185#msg1128185 date=1230138737]
I was over at websleuths checking out their topics and stuff...they were blowing up pictures swearing to god they saw a skull and bag.  I'm out in the woods sometimes and your eyes play tricks on you.  I swear I'll see one of my kids faces, or even something skeletal near a tree cos I'm "looking" for it.  My eyes see what I want to see.  I thought it was kinda sad they were blowing up these pics so much though.  That's going beyond sleuthing I think.  Gave me nightmares last night, that I tripped on a skull walking in the woods. *shivers*
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I looked at the photos and "saw" the book too, not so much the skull.  But when I showed my husband (who doesn't follow the case), he didn't see either of them at all.  That, coupled with the other discussion that has been going on here about whether a book would survive in water for months, makes me want to know whether the ID of the book is official or just speculation.

[Ron_NYC]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1128534#msg1128534 date=1230155762]
It reeks of set up.  It sounds like some very stupid but determined follower of the trial was like aderrr this should make it iron clad aderrr.
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Is it bad if I laughed hysterically at this? :lol:

[Bama Star]

[quote author=azkarisma link=topic=15230.msg1128861#msg1128861 date=1230201277]
Is this confirmed as her book, or just speculation of the news media or whomever took that photo?  I am always interested in reliability of sources, for this reason:

I looked at the photos and "saw" the book too, not so much the skull.  But when I showed my husband (who doesn't follow the case), he didn't see either of them at all.  That, coupled with the other discussion that has been going on here about whether a book would survive in water for months, makes me want to know whether the ID of the book is official or just speculation.
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There is clearly a book in that picture. Whether or not it's Caylee's book or even the same book at all, I don't know.

[Mortis]

Well  I would say, judging from that picture, that it COULD be a book, but it could be a million things.....  I can show you pics where people see ghost heads and all kinds of shit. 
Once you hear it's a book, your head takes over to a point.  There are a lot of broad leafed plants around here, could be a piece of trash, could be a book.

If it is, then she wasn't there long.  Just the heat and humidity here, coupled with the insanely heavy rain the day before the discovery, and the bugs that will eat paper and glue...... a book would only last a matter of days in decent shape.

Honestly, I don't CLEARLY see a book... I see something that may be a book. I also think that info would have been released officially. When Jessica Lunsford was found, LEO's made a big deal of her stuffed dolphin.

[Hellbettie]

[quote author=TinkerBelly link=topic=15230.msg1128593#msg1128593 date=1230166878]
I said something similar earlier.  What about the other thousands of kids that are missing and got NO media attention but yet Nancy Grace dedicated one hour solely on Caylee for months?  Casey is a colorful character and picking her life apart has been a feeding frenzy for the media.

It would have been a great forum to showcase other missing children in the corner of the screen during Nancy's hour after hour coverage of one child.  Your average stay at home mom who didn't enter hot body contests and compulsivey lie would have NEVER stayed in the media this long.
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To be fair, Nancy did do this sometimes during the Casey Anthony coverage.

[Hellbettie]

[quote author=azkarisma link=topic=15230.msg1128861#msg1128861 date=1230201277]
Is this confirmed as her book, or just speculation of the news media or whomever took that photo?  I am always interested in reliability of sources, for this reason:

I looked at the photos and "saw" the book too, not so much the skull.  But when I showed my husband (who doesn't follow the case), he didn't see either of them at all.  That, coupled with the other discussion that has been going on here about whether a book would survive in water for months, makes me want to know whether the ID of the book is official or just speculation.
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I definitely see a book there.  With the area being flooded, any of her personal belongings would have settled whenever the water went down.  But I looked pretty hard at what they were pointing at and just bout went blind trying to see the skull. 

Someone mentioned if I'd been happy if it'd not been Caylee's body?  Harsh, but I wanted the family to have some closure, because I didn't want to think it, but I knew she wasn't with us anymore.  Sooner that justice is done, or undone.  Cos Bowie has a point.  The bloggers and their over analysis of the case is pretty high for this one.  I've lurked on many a board and haven't seen people go this nuts since Peterson.  Being Drew Peterson.

[AliciaDawn]

[quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=15230.msg1128935#msg1128935 date=1230229469]
Is it bad if I laughed hysterically at this? :lol:
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No it is perfectly fine. I did it too

[bowieluva]

You know, this woman may have killed her daughter (a trial will give us more insight) but I think in the wake of that evil fucking 'santa' who massacred a family this weekend, maybe everyone can calm down their bloodlust and how she's worse than Hitler and should be lynched sans legal system. 

[SinDee]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1129949#msg1129949 date=1230368387]
You know, this woman may have killed her daughter (a trial will give us more insight) but I think in the wake of that evil fucking 'santa' who massacred a family this weekend, maybe everyone can calm down their bloodlust and how she's worse than Hitler and should be lynched sans legal system. 
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But to be fair, the santa murderer offed himself, saving us the media-circus-filled court proceedings.

[bowieluva]

[quote author=SinDee link=topic=15230.msg1130163#msg1130163 date=1230403274]
But to be fair, the santa murderer offed himself, saving us the media-circus-filled court proceedings.
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And depriving the family members who survived any sense of justice.  :-(

[Ron_NYC]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1129949#msg1129949 date=1230368387]
You know, this woman may have killed her daughter (a trial will give us more insight) but I think in the wake of that evil fucking 'santa' who massacred a family this weekend, maybe everyone can calm down their bloodlust and how she's worse than Hitler and should be lynched sans legal system. 
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Yea, I always got the impression that she's just a goofy party girl that let her kid drown while she slept off a hangover. Not evil incarnate.


[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1130291#msg1130291 date=1230412917]
And depriving the family members who survived any sense of justice.  :-(
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Maybe they're the bloodthirsty types that want him dead no matter what. :-P

[wickedgirl]

[quote author=bowieluva link=topic=15230.msg1128305#msg1128305 date=1230144256]
It depends on what you think real ska is.  IF you think it's Reel Big Fish or early No Doubt, Fail. It's The Specials and the English Beat and The Selector and Madness, 2 tone stuff. There hasn't really been a genuine not annoying ska band since the early 80s.
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