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    Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    Cassidy's Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/65883468

    Cassidy Grigg, 16, said the man walked in, fired a warning shot at the floor and ordered the students to line up. He told some to leave and others — all girls — to stay.


    "You could tell that he wanted the females," Cassidy said on NBC's "Today" Thursday. "He tapped me on the shoulder and he told me to leave the room. I told him, 'I don't want to leave.'"


    "He told me that if I didn't go then he would pretty much kill me," Cassidy told ABC's "Good Morning America.""I noticed that he wanted to keep the females in the class. That's the main reason why I didn't want to go because I'm sure the girls would have felt more support if there would have been some males in the class with them."


    No one recognized the man, who seemed to be dressed as a student, Cassidy said.


    "He was just an old guy who came on a mission, and I think he got what he wanted," he told "Today."

    Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...a015820D15.DTL
    Unfortunately the one fatality, Emily Keyes, did not leave us a myspace page to ponder over... RIP poor Emily.

    Maybe the shooter will come to light soon with some satanic blog.
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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    Turns out this Cassidy kid made up his entire story about being involved... he just came out with the truth... after he was on the today show and everything!
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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    [quote author=Luvbeers link=topic=1761.msg61187#msg61187 date=1159514787]
    Turns out this Cassidy kid made up his entire story about being involved... he just came out with the truth... after he was on the today show and everything!
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    Hmm is that true??  What a little shithead if it is!  Have a link?

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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    http://ww2.wpri.com/Global/story.asp?S=5473303
    http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_271190428.html
    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5027867,00.html
    http://www.regrettheerror.com/2006/09/boy_falsely_cla.html
    http://www.regrettheerror.com/2006/09/boy_falsely_cla.html

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    [quote author=Lauryn link=topic=1761.msg61218#msg61218 date=1159524936]
    http://ww2.wpri.com/Global/story.asp?S=5473303
    http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_271190428.html
    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5027867,00.html
    http://www.regrettheerror.com/2006/09/boy_falsely_cla.html
    http://www.regrettheerror.com/2006/09/boy_falsely_cla.html

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    Thanks!

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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    [quote author=holly link=topic=1761.msg61224#msg61224 date=1159527021]
    [quote author=Lauryn link=topic=1761.msg61218#msg61218 date=1159524936]
    http://ww2.wpri.com/Global/story.asp?S=5473303
    http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_271190428.html
    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5027867,00.html
    http://www.regrettheerror.com/2006/09/boy_falsely_cla.html
    http://www.regrettheerror.com/2006/09/boy_falsely_cla.html

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    Thanks!
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    No problem.
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    "...all those kids were my friends and I just wanted so much to help them. I guess I just made it up in my mind. I just wanted it to be true so bad."

    I am sorry but you just don't go on The Today Show and tell the world that you tried to protect all those girls and the gunman almost killed him... and then when the truth comes out that he probably ran like a bitch at the get go, say that, "I guess I just made it up in my mind"..

    what a little lying pussy.
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    [quote author=Luvbeers link=topic=1761.msg61237#msg61237 date=1159531744]
    "...all those kids were my friends and I just wanted so much to help them. I guess I just made it up in my mind. I just wanted it to be true so bad."

    I am sorry but you just don't go on The Today Show and tell the world that you tried to protect all those girls and the gunman almost killed him... and then when the truth comes out that he probably ran like a bitch at the get go, say that, "I guess I just made it up in my mind"..

    what a little lying pussy.
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    True.  There's no way he believed that in his mind.  The only thing he wanted was the attention and to be called a hero...  He let it get wayyy too far - now his face and lies are all over national news.  I'd have a breakdown if that were me - though, I wouldn't have lied in the first place.

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    http://www.regrettheerror.com/2006/09/boy_falsely_cla.html
    Yeah its quite rough. Especially now that shooting itself was quite straight forward with motives and identities... there is not much else for the media to pick up on except for "WHY DID THE BOY LIE???"... It has already become a bigger story than the shooting.

    I have a feeling he will make another statement soon because no one is buying the "I guess I just made it up in my mind. I just wanted it to be true so bad."

    Anyone find the clip from the today show where they interview him?
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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    there is a clip here... http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=dba8564a-7337-4a46-a116-f2c4cbd796e5&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&t=m5&amp ;rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633/&fg=

    the last 20 seconds have some parts of his story.
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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    It seems one of shooter's (Duane Morrison) guns belonged to the Morrison's relative who claimed he recieved a suicide note from Duane...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml


    also...

    "The sheriff also said that investigators are checking into a rumor that Morrison may have targeted his victims by trolling through the website myspace.com and looking at the home pages for students at Platte Canyon."
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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    [quote author=Luvbeers link=topic=1761.msg61237#msg61237 date=1159531744]
    "...all those kids were my friends and I just wanted so much to help them. I guess I just made it up in my mind. I just wanted it to be true so bad."

    I am sorry but you just don't go on The Today Show and tell the world that you tried to protect all those girls and the gunman almost killed him... and then when the truth comes out that he probably ran like a bitch at the get go, say that, "I guess I just made it up in my mind"..

    what a little lying pussy.
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    that is quite possibly the rudest thing i have ever seen.Â* 
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    I hate to jump on the clinical bandwagon all the time, but I'm just gonna throw this out there and you guys can think about it, or tear it up depending on how it strikes you.

    When incidents like school shootings happen, many of the students experience what we call an &quot;Acute Stress Response.&quot; This is a precursor to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder...it doesn't always result in PTSD, but it is a precursor. Anyway, it's not unusual for the survivor guilt to consume a young person to the point where they develop &quot;hero fantasies&quot; about the incident.

    It's not that they don't know it didn't happen that way, it's just that the compulsion to say it outloud is so powerful, they speak without really realizing how the whole thing is going to play itself out (media involvement, etc.)

    I actually feel really sorry for this kid. He responded to an intense emotional experience in a way that has now cast him in the national media as a liar. If they keep cranking up the pressure, this child will be a very high risk for suicide.

    I sure am glad none of the lies I told at 16 ended up on &quot;Good Morning America.&quot;

    Just a thought.
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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    [quote author=psygrad link=topic=1761.msg61469#msg61469 date=1159548038]
    I hate to jump on the clinical bandwagon all the time, but I'm just gonna throw this out there and you guys can think about it, or tear it up depending on how it strikes you.

    When incidents like school shootings happen, many of the students experience what we call an &quot;Acute Stress Response.&quot; This is a precursor to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder...it doesn't always result in PTSD, but it is a precursor. Anyway, it's not unusual for the survivor guilt to consume a young person to the point where they develop &quot;hero fantasies&quot; about the incident.

    It's not that they don't know it didn't happen that way, it's just that the compulsion to say it outloud is so powerful, they speak without really realizing how the whole thing is going to play itself out (media involvement, etc.)

    I actually feel really sorry for this kid. He responded to an intense emotional experience in a way that has now cast him in the national media as a liar. If they keep cranking up the pressure, this child will be a very high risk for suicide.

    I sure am glad none of the lies I told at 16 ended up on &quot;Good Morning America.&quot;

    Just a thought.
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    thank you, psygrad.&nbsp; people around here are so f'ing quick to judge people.&nbsp; it makes me sooooo angry that some one would call him a lying pussy and say that he probably ran away like a bitch.&nbsp; i know for a FACT that the person who said that has LIED at least once in their life (and probably ran away from a scary situation &quot;like a little bitch&quot;).&nbsp; no doubt in my mind.

    it took a whole lot of courage to come forward and admit that he lied.&nbsp; he probably wanted to save that poor girl.&nbsp; he just went through something so sad and tragic... something that most people on this planet can not even begin to relate to.&nbsp; so for you, luvbeers, i say FU on behalf of Cassidy Griggs. he surely doesn't derserve to be called any names at this point.
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    [quote author=holly.go.lightly link=topic=1761.msg61485#msg61485 date=1159548612]
    [quote author=psygrad link=topic=1761.msg61469#msg61469 date=1159548038]
    I hate to jump on the clinical bandwagon all the time, but I'm just gonna throw this out there and you guys can think about it, or tear it up depending on how it strikes you.

    When incidents like school shootings happen, many of the students experience what we call an &quot;Acute Stress Response.&quot; This is a precursor to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder...it doesn't always result in PTSD, but it is a precursor. Anyway, it's not unusual for the survivor guilt to consume a young person to the point where they develop &quot;hero fantasies&quot; about the incident.

    It's not that they don't know it didn't happen that way, it's just that the compulsion to say it outloud is so powerful, they speak without really realizing how the whole thing is going to play itself out (media involvement, etc.)

    I actually feel really sorry for this kid. He responded to an intense emotional experience in a way that has now cast him in the national media as a liar. If they keep cranking up the pressure, this child will be a very high risk for suicide.

    I sure am glad none of the lies I told at 16 ended up on &quot;Good Morning America.&quot;

    Just a thought.
    [/quote]

    thank you, psygrad.Â* people around here are so f'ing quick to judge people.Â* it makes me sooooo angry that some one would call him a lying pussy and say that he probably ran away like a bitch.Â* i know for a FACT that the person who said that has LIED at least once in their life (and probably ran away from a scary situation &quot;like a little bitch&quot;).Â* no doubt in my mind.

    it took a whole lot of courage to come forward and admit that he lied.Â* he probably wanted to save that poor girl.Â* he just went through something so sad and tragic... something that most people on this planet can not even begin to relate to.Â* so for you, luvbeers, i say FU on behalf of Cassidy Griggs. he surely doesn't derserve to be called any names at this point.
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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    Well excuse me... and to put you at ease I have lied many times, and I have ran too... but I don't go on national television with a straight face and proclaim myself some sort of wannabe hero then have mom bail me out with the media when the cops start questioning. I think it is quite insulting to the girls that actually had to endure this psycho's sexual and mortal abuse. I believe 100% in Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, but if this fuck actually had it, he would be crying in the back of the FBI school bus and not on the couch with Matt Lauer...&nbsp; right back at you.
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    [quote author=Luvbeers link=topic=1761.msg61810#msg61810 date=1159570731]
    Well excuse me... and to put you at ease I have lied many times, and I have ran too... but I don't go on national television with a straight face and proclaim myself some sort of wannabe hero then have mom bail me out with the media when the cops start questioning. I think it is quite insulting to the girls that actually had to endure this psycho's sexual and mortal abuse. I believe 100% in Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, but if this fuck actually had it, he would be crying in the back of the FBI school bus and not on the couch with Matt Lauer...Â* right back at you.
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    Fine, but what are your qualifications to make these kinds of judgments?&nbsp; Psygrad is a PSYCHOLOGY GRAD (get it), and trauma is her area of specialization.&nbsp; Not that she is innoculated from error because of that, but she generally knows what she's talking about.&nbsp; As for holly.go.lightly, I don't know her or defend her position.&nbsp; But I would encourage you to have an open mind for the things that psygrad shares - they are often accurate, and at the very least informed by years of study and research.

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    He didn't even see the incident... how could he develop trauma so fast? He lied to his parents who went straight to the media... you don't have to be &quot;Psygrad&quot; to figure that out. I understand that his &quot;fib&quot; snowballed a bit faster than he expected, but he should have revealed the truth before he went on the TV the next morning. Who knows... maybe he has stage parents.
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    from another forum....but I think describes what psychgrad was saying:

    &quot;There's a book I read about kids under extreme trauma.. hold on.. &quot;Too Scared to Cry&quot;, and it details reactions like these. When the kid is is scared, one of the responses is to delude themselves into beleiving some heroic thing would or could or did happen to save them.

    Russian hostage kids fantasized about Harry Potter coming to save them. (Actually that was from a PBS special). The kids who were buried alive in a bus- the most traumatized ones- who were reduced to tears later had imagined themselves heroes.&quot;

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    What about the kids who were no where near the bus??? Do they still percieve themselves heros?

    Correct me if I am wrong... but Cassidy Griggs, according to reports, had left the classroom berfoe Morrison even arrived! He didn't even know about the crisis until reports of hostages evacuated the school... which is fishy to me as what was he doing in the classroom and what made him leave before hand? And the reports say that Morrison had some sort of list of people and, from Griggs own words, a &quot;mission&quot;. Was it Griggs that supplied this man, living out of his jeep, a computer print-out?????

    I am yet to belive that Cassidy is some poor victim of trauma...
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    Just to amend my previous post... I don't want to be conspiracy theorist, as I highly doubt he had ANYTHING to do with wht happen. I just don't think any psychoanalysis is necessary. Basically a lot of attention was happening around him and he felt left out. When his dad called he made up a story in order to receive some as well. I guess thats quite understandable... He is a bit too small to play on the football team. Maybe he can be a hero, if not an &quot;all-american&quot;. From the way his father ran to the press, it seems he is pressured to make his father proud someway... and he nearly did, if only he was there in that classroom. What a wonderful mother he has to help him bite the bullet!
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    [quote author=Luvbeers link=topic=1761.msg61856#msg61856 date=1159574019]
    What about the kids who were no where near the bus??? Do they still percieve themselves heros?

    Correct me if I am wrong... but Cassidy Griggs, according to reports, had left the classroom berfoe Morrison even arrived! He didn't even know about the crisis until reports of hostages evacuated the school... which is fishy to me as what was he doing in the classroom and what made him leave before hand? And the reports say that Morrison had some sort of list of people and, from Griggs own words, a &quot;mission&quot;. Was it Griggs that supplied this man, living out of his jeep, a computer print-out?????

    I am yet to belive that Cassidy is some poor victim of trauma...
    [/quote]

    This is the problem here.&nbsp; You don't understand that psychological reactions NEVER happen to everyone.&nbsp; For example, not every combat veteran has PTSD, not every person that tries heroin becomes addicted, not every teenage girl that's berated for her size becomes anorexic.&nbsp; Survivor guilt is huge, and it can make you do some fucked up things.

    I don't know why he left the classroom, or where Morrison got his list from (didn't someone else say he was trolling myspace?).&nbsp; Irregardless, if he were there, he could have this survivor guilt, or not.&nbsp; And everyone else there that lived could have it, or not.&nbsp; The thing is that its conceivable that one could have it in this particular situation.

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    [quote author=Peavey link=topic=1761.msg61865#msg61865 date=1159575077]
    I don't know why he left the classroom, or where Morrison got his list from (didn't someone else say he was trolling myspace?).Â* Irregardless, if he were there, he could have this survivor guilt, or not.Â* And everyone else there that lived could have it, or not.Â* The thing is that its conceivable that one could have it in this particular situation.
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    The more I read about this the more I am convinced it was his father who blew his lie out of proportion with the media... His father original released Cassidy's comments with the AP... thus being booked on every morning news talk show. I can see the boy's pressure to maintain his story and I apologize I was a bit quick to judge, but the pstd I am not so quick to believe. Who knows maybe they got an appearance fee from Today.

    There were many rumors about the myspace thing, but I think in this day and age that is there first thing the media goes to create controversy.

    The guy was 53 and living in his car... I couldn't find Emily Keyes on there (until someone made a memorial)... and myspace doesn't have class schedules. When the suicide note came to light and a reporter asked if the note was delivered via email or regular mail to the relative, you could tell that the press were fishing for Morrison's internet expertise.
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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    all i wanted to get across was that it was uncalled for to call him a lying pussy.&nbsp; :|

    we don't know the whole story yet....

    i am retracting my FU.&nbsp; that was uncalled for as well...&nbsp; :roll:

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    Re: Bailey, CO - School Shooting - Survivor Cassidy Griggs

    [quote author=Peavey link=topic=1761.msg61820#msg61820 date=1159571302]
    [quote author=Luvbeers link=topic=1761.msg61810#msg61810 date=1159570731]
    Well excuse me... and to put you at ease I have lied many times, and I have ran too... but I don't go on national television with a straight face and proclaim myself some sort of wannabe hero then have mom bail me out with the media when the cops start questioning. I think it is quite insulting to the girls that actually had to endure this psycho's sexual and mortal abuse. I believe 100% in Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, but if this fuck actually had it, he would be crying in the back of the FBI school bus and not on the couch with Matt Lauer...Â* right back at you.
    [/quote]
    Fine, but what are your qualifications to make these kinds of judgments?Â* Psygrad is a PSYCHOLOGY GRAD (get it), and trauma is her area of specialization.Â* Not that she is innoculated from error because of that, but she generally knows what she's talking about.Â* As for holly.go.lightly, I don't know her or defend her position.Â* But I would encourage you to have an open mind for the things that psygrad shares - they are often accurate, and at the very least informed by years of study and research.
    [/quote]

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