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    Ghost plane crashes in Virginia

    A wayward and unresponsive business plane that flew over the nation?s capital Sunday afternoon caused the military to scramble a fighter jet before the plane crashed in Virginia, officials said. The fighter jet caused a loud sonic boom that was heard across the capital region.

    The Federal Aviation Administration says the Cessna Citation took off from Elizabethtown, Tennessee, on Sunday and was headed for Long Island?s MacArthur Airport. Inexplicably, the plane turned around over New York?s Long Island and flew a straight path down over D.C. before it crashed over mountainous terrain near Montebello, Virginia, around 3:30 p.m.

    It was not immediately clear why the plane was nonresponsive, why it crashed or how many people were on board.

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    I imagine this will turn out to be hypoxia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    I imagine this will turn out to be hypoxia.
    Like Payne Stewart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Like Payne Stewart.

    Exactly. We followed that one pretty closely. The crash actually happened within a couple of miles of my brother's house so yeah. And this strikes me the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    Exactly. We followed that one pretty closely. The crash actually happened within a couple of miles of my brother's house so yeah. And this strikes me the same way.
    My husband was flying the exact same plane and was on a flight when this happened. I was working for a small family owned business and I was very close to the owners. They heard about it and came to the office to talk to me because they were scared it was him. I didn't even know about it at the time. Luckily he was in a different country picking up cargo, so I knew it wasn't him right away. He said it was very easy to potentially make the mistake that those pilots did with that type of plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    My husband was flying the exact same plane and was on a flight when this happened. I was working for a small family owned business and I was very close to the owners. They heard about it and came to the office to talk to me because they were scared it was him. I didn't even know about it at the time. Luckily he was in a different country picking up cargo, so I knew it wasn't him right away. He said it was very easy to potentially make the mistake that those pilots did with that type of plane.
    Scary! Apparently, the emergency checklist didn't start with "put your oxygen mask on" when this happens. They seem to think the co-pilot was aware that something was going on and she, or the pilot did the first couple of actions on the list but didn't make it to the oxygen mask part. If they had they could have descended to the point where the air was OK and they could have landed safely.
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    A wayward and unresponsive business plane that flew over the nation?s capital Sunday afternoon caused the military to scramble a fighter jet before the plane crashed in Virginia, officials said. The fighter jet caused a loud sonic boom that was heard across the capital region.

    Hours later, police said rescuers had reached the site of the plane crash in a rural part of the Shenandoah Valley and that no survivors were found.
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    The plane that crashed was registered to Encore Motors of Melbourne Inc, which is based in Florida. John Rumpel, who runs the company, told The New York Times that his daughter, 2-year-old granddaughter, her nanny, and the pilot were aboard the plane. They were returning to their home in East Hampton, on Long Island, after visiting his house in North Carolina, he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    Scary! Apparently, the emergency checklist didn't start with "put your oxygen mask on" when this happens. They seem to think the co-pilot was aware that something was going on and she, or the pilot did the first couple of actions on the list but didn't make it to the oxygen mask part. If they had they could have descended to the point where the air was OK and they could have landed safely.
    I had watched a documentary about something similar happening. Where putting the oxygen mask on wasn't first on the list. It seems that it should be the absolute first thing you do.
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    One of the victims was Adina Azarian whose father was an NRA executive and MAGA donor. Her two-year-old daughter and their nanny were also killed.

    Adina's FB: https://www.facebook.com/adina.azarian

    Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-daughter.html

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    So I was reading about the sonic boom thar happened.,.the fighter jets flew faster than the speed of sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    So I was reading about the sonic boom thar happened.,.the fighter jets flew faster than the speed of sound?
    Yeah, they do all the time. We hear them break the sound barrier out here all the time.

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    What the hell is a ghost plane?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    What the hell is a ghost plane?
    One in which the pilot/pilots are incapacitated and it's just flying on auto pilot. These folks were all passed out or dead and the plane was flying itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewitchingstorm View Post
    One of the victims was Adina Azarian whose father was an NRA executive and MAGA donor. Her two-year-old daughter and their nanny were also killed.

    Adina's FB: https://www.facebook.com/adina.azarian

    Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-daughter.html
    By looking at her Facebook, she didn't seem to hold the same values as her Father. She at least seems to have been pretty Liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    One in which the pilot/pilots are incapacitated and it's just flying on auto pilot. These folks were all passed out or dead and the plane was flying itself.
    Thanks, that sounds terrifying!

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    By looking at her Facebook, she didn't seem to hold the same values as her Father. She at least seems to have been pretty Liberal.
    I would hope no one would judge me based off my dad's beliefs. He is a trumper and I most certainly am NOT.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Thanks, that sounds terrifying!



    I would hope no one would judge me based off my dad's beliefs. He is a trumper and I most certainly am NOT.
    Same. He's not a Trumper but might as well be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Thanks, that sounds terrifying!



    I would hope no one would judge me based off my dad's beliefs. He is a trumper and I most certainly am NOT.
    Take a look at this video for a detailed look at this sort of crash.

    or this one for the TLDR version
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Yeah, they do all the time. We hear them break the sound barrier out here all the time.
    Wow. I've never even thought of experiencing this. I know nothing about this type of science. I didn't know that everyone on a plane could die from hypoxia and the autopilot keeps going.


    Cars are pretty much self driving now. Because of my foot injury I rely on cruise control and auto pilot. The car stays in the lane will slow down when it's near the car in front. Basically it can drive itself for a while. Then it bugs you to put your hands on the steering wheel.

    Thanks for the links.
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    Jeff Hefner was the pilot.

    John Rumpel and his wife were on their way to see a waterfall when the phone rang from an unknown number. It was the Federal Aviation Administration. The agency, Rumpel said, had been trying to reach the man piloting his private plane, but no one could get through. The caller asked Rumpel if he knew another way to contact the plane.

    They didn?t say why.

    At first, Rumpel, 75, paid little mind to the call. A former pilot himself, he knew that radio systems sometimes glitch. Plus, he was still in a good mood from the four days he had spent relaxing with his daughter and 2?-year-old granddaughter, whom he tried to convince to call him ?Grandpa,? though she insisted on ?Pop Pop.? He had dropped them off at the airport 90 minutes earlier, sending them back home to East Hampton, N.Y., in his plane with a hug and a kiss.

    About an hour later, the phone rang again. It was the FAA, this time with news. His plane had gone down. Rumpel felt like his heart was going to come out of his chest.

    Amid the rubble, he learned after praying all night, police found body parts.

    Authorities said they were the remains of all four people on board.

    The Cessna Citation and its pilot were supposed to carry Rumpel?s daughter, granddaughter and their nanny to their home in East Hampton. Instead, an hour after taking off from Elizabethton, Tenn., the plane turned around and headed back toward Washington, for reasons officials are still investigating. After authorities could not reach anyone inside, fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the plane ? causing a sonic boom that reverberated across the D.C. area. The plane went down near Montebello, Va., a few hours after Rumpel bid farewell to his daughter, Adina Azarian, and his granddaughter, Aria Azarian. Authorities said there were no survivors.

    ?That?s the end of my family,? Rumpel said, his voice breaking. ?It?s just my wife and I now.?

    What causes a sonic boom, and is it harmful?

    On Monday, National Transportation Safety Board investigators arrived at the scene of the crash, beginning what officials said will be a days-long process of sifting through ?highly fragmented? wreckage to determine what happened inside the plane. Authorities have released little about the nature of the incident, though Rumpel said police told him the plane may have crashed after losing pressurization, which might have caused those inside to lose consciousness.

    Two people familiar with the situation, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation, said the pilot of a military jet that scrambled to intercept the plane saw its pilot sitting in the left seat slumped over to the right.

    Rumpel identified the pilot as Jeff Hefner. Records show he had an airline pilot rating that qualified him to fly Boeing 737 jets, among other aircraft, and had a top-level medical certificate as recently as October. Authorities have not released the name of the nanny.

    Dan Newlin, an attorney in Florida, said in an email Monday that Hefner had flown for him in the past. Newlin described the pilot as a ?highly accomplished and skilled Aviator? who was survived by his wife and three kids.

    Rumpel said he had never had any issues with the Cessna Citation plane ? which he used last month to fly from his home in Florida to a second home in the mountains of North Carolina ? or with the pilot, who had been flying his planes on and off for more than five years. He said that one of his other planes recently had a problem with pressurization, but that a pilot caught it on a test flight and sent it in for maintenance.

    For Rumpel, who retired from flying 30 years ago, the purpose of the small planes was to bring his family together. That had been a chief priority in his life ever since he lost his first daughter, Victoria, in a scuba diving accident when she was 19 years old.

    Years later, Rumpel said he met a woman who reminded him exactly of his daughter. It was Azarian, a real estate agent in New York. After they got to know her, Rumpel and his wife decided to adopt her when she was 40 years old.

    ?They had the same fire in their bellies, and they were loving, caring children,? Rumpel said of Victoria and Azarian, 49. ?We had no one else, and we loved her.?
    Rumpel said Azarian wanted nothing more than to be a mom herself, and he watched her go through a years-long in vitro fertilization process to become pregnant with her daughter. He described Azarian as the best mother he had ever seen.

    Photos on Azarian?s Facebook show her and Aria in matching dresses, kissing on the lips and dressed up together on Mother?s Day. In Facebook posts, friends described her as a ?beloved part of the NY real estate community? and a ?devoted mother.?

    After the first FAA call, Rumpel said, he returned home and received more calls from the transportation agency, but he could not recall exactly what authorities told him. He said his mind wandered to how his family had been talking about installing a system that allowed passengers to text and call from the air. It had seemed expensive at the time.

    He pulled up a flight map on his computer, he said, and saw her flight take a mysterious turn in New York. He said his worry intensified, knowing that the plane did not have enough fuel to make it back.

    Jeff Guzzetti, a former FAA and NTSB investigator, said flight-tracking data suggests that the pilot was not in control of the private jet long before it reached New York.

    That afternoon, as he sat in his home in the mountains of North Carolina, Rumpel said, he turned on the news and heard people talking about the sonic boom. He said his heart rate quickened, as he realized from his years of experience as a pilot that the sound could be related to his plane.

    Some time later, he said, authorities confirmed it had crashed.

    Rumpel said he spent all night praying that his family had miraculously survived. He thought mostly of Aria, who he knew was strapped into a car seat.

    He thought she had the best chance.

    Over the weekend, he had watched Aria play hide-and-seek and take interest in a number of art projects. He had seen her decide to draw exclusively in red and yellow after she had taken particular liking to a red gumball in a gumball machine.

    He had worn a homemade shirt that read ?Pop Pop.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queenatoo View Post
    Wow. I've never even thought of experiencing this. I know nothing about this type of science. I didn't know that everyone on a plane could die from hypoxia and the autopilot keeps going.


    Cars are pretty much self driving now. Because of my foot injury I rely on cruise control and auto pilot. The car stays in the lane will slow down when it's near the car in front. Basically it can drive itself for a while. Then it bugs you to put your hands on the steering wheel.

    Thanks for the links.
    The Air Force/Space Force comes out over the ocean and breaks the sound barrier, and we also hear the sonic boom when they launch Space-X and bring the rockets back into the atmosphere for landing. We used to hear a double sonic boom when the space shuttle would come into land from the west side of the state.

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    I read John and his wife lost their other daughter in a scuba accident in 1994. This was their only remaining daughter

    RBW what does the sonic boom sound like? Im curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    I read John and his wife lost their other daughter in a scuba accident in 1994. This was their only remaining daughter

    RBW what does the sonic boom sound like? Im curious.
    The article Puzz posted above talks about them losing their other daughter, and then they met this woman and adopted her when she was an adult because she reminded them of their daughter.

    It sounds like a really loud boom and and it shakes the glass in the windows/doors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    The article Puzz posted above talks about them losing their other daughter, and then they met this woman and adopted her when she was an adult because she reminded them of their daughter.

    It sounds like a really loud boom and and it shakes the glass in the windows/doors.
    Oops sorry Puzzld I miss that.

    I dont think Ive ever heard one, I think I would know if I did.

    There is no chance that the pilot died of a heart attack and the passangers were still alive is there? I shutter to think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    Oops sorry Puzzld I miss that.

    I dont think Ive ever heard one, I think I would know if I did.

    There is no chance that the pilot died of a heart attack and the passangers were still alive is there? I shutter to think that.
    No. The radio mic in all planes is easy to identify and the plane was flying off course for some time. If the pilot was incapacitated and the other passengers were still conscious, I have no doubt they would have gotten on the radio and tried to get help. There is no barrier to getting into the cockpit in that plane, it's small. Our dearest friend ever flew one for 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post

    It sounds like a really loud boom and and it shakes the glass in the windows/doors.
    We used to hear them on the regular from Ellsworth. Now once in a rare while you still do. It's so loud it'll loosen the fillings in your teeth.
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