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Thread: Halyna Hutchins (42) Died After Alec Baldwin Discharged Prop Gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    I'm not in the mood to argue, so I will say this and I am done until they say one way or another what they are going to do.

    None of us know what they are going to do. I am not a fan anymore (used to really like him 30 years ago) but that has no bearing on how I feel.

    There was no intent. He was told it was a cold gun. Producer or not, he can't oversee everything on the movie...that's why you hire other professionals and they take on the responsibility.

    I'm a huge union supporter, but my guess is the replacement scabs were probably just as qualified, but with less ethics and morals. My guess is it would have happened no matter what was going on with the union. The safety accusations from before could very well back him up, because even then he was not the prop handler. If they had an issue it would have been with the props person(s), not him.

    I think he will not be charged (as happened with the Lee shooting) and her estate will sue him and the insurance on the movie will pay up.

    Sadly for her, life will move on and this will become another asterisk on an IMDB entry.

    I feel sorry for everyone involved. I look at it like when you are coming down a residential street and not paying full attention, but following the speed limit and other laws, and a toddler, whose mom looked away to answer her phone, shoots out of the driveway into the path of your car and you kill them. It's a horrible tragedy, and EVERYONE involved will have their life change and have to live with the consequences and guilt forever, but likely no one will be charged.

    So that's my $.02.
    I agree there was no intent. And there may well be no criminal charges, but I'm sure there will be civil liability. Halyna's family will sue and will get big bucks. Hopefully, for Baldwin's sake, the corners he cut didn't include skimping on liability insurance.
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    So they're going to argue that union members who were concerned for their colleague's safety decided to place their colleagues at even higher risk of workplace injury/fatality just to prove their original concerns over workplace safety were legit. Ok then

    Lawyers representing the woman who loaded Alec Baldwin's gun say an act of "sabotage" by disgruntled crew members may have caused the fatal shooting on the set of Rust.

    Key points:
    Lawyers for Hannah Gutierrez-Reed say she loaded the gun from a box of dummy rounds

    She then handed the weapon to Alec Baldwin

    Lawyers say the ammo could have been tampered with by disgruntled crew members

    Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was the armourer in charge of weapons on the set of the Western movie, where Mr Baldwin fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins after being told his firearm was safe to use.

    Ms Gutierrez-Reed's lawyers told the US television program Today that she had loaded the gun with ammunition from a box of dummy, or inert, rounds and had "no idea" where the live round that killed Ms Hutchins came from.

    "We're assuming somebody put the live round in that box ? which if you think about that, the person who put the live round in the box of dummy rounds had to have the purpose of sabotaging this set," Jason Bowles said.

    "There's no other reason you would do that. That you would mix that live round in with the dummy rounds."

    Prosecutors have refused to rule out criminal charges over the death of Ms Hutchins.

    Why prop guns?
    Prop guns are seen lined up in a row on a wall during an interview with a props expert.
    As police continue to investigate the fatal shooting of Ukrainian cinematographer Halyna Hutchins by actor Alec Baldwin, we take a look at the use of prop firearms in film productions and the protocols in place.

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    Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza has accused the film crew of "complacency" over safety.

    There have been multiple reports that Rust camera crew members resigned the day before the shooting, in part due to significant safety concerns surrounding firearms and explosives on set.

    Both Mr Baldwin and Ms Gutierrez-Reed are cooperating with the ongoing investigation.

    Pressed on why somebody would deliberately sabotage the production by disguising a lethal round as safe ammunition, Mr Bowles pointed to "unhappy" crew members who had walked out hours before the shooting.

    "We have people who had left the set, who had walked out because they were disgruntled," Mr Bowles said.

    "We have a timeframe between 11am and 1pm that day in which the firearms at times were unattended. So there was opportunity to tamper with a scene."

    When asked why Ms Gutierrez-Reed had left the firearms unattended, Mr Bowles said she had been asked by producers to shoulder additional duties as a "key props assistant," and was attending to those at the time of the shooting.

    Mr Baldwin reposted a message by wardrobe assistant Terese Magpale Davis on social media this week, disputing reports of chaos and a lax attitude toward safety on the set.

    "The story of us being overworked and surrounded by unsafe, chaotic conditions is bullshit," it read.

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