From RBW post:Originally Posted by Pidge
they packed their own water. What are the chances that they went swimming in the water?Water samples from the area -- along with samples of the drinking water the family packed
From RBW post:they packed their own water. What are the chances that they went swimming in the water?Water samples from the area -- along with samples of the drinking water the family packed
"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin
This is what I don't get. Even if only the dog went in the water and shook off on them, how would it be so lethal that it kills ALL of them? Wouldn't you have to ingest it? Did they lick the dog dry?
It can enter through skin but they were clothed. Skinny dipping in the toxins? Still confused. Maybe there's still a twist here.
At this point, I'm wondering if they were eating sheep dip... It's just so odd.
What if the dog went into the water, or rolled in dried algae, became too sick to walk & they both took turns carrying him until they became too sick to walk too?
What bugs me about this is that usually with toxins, you froth at the mouth when you're dying. At least as far as I've known. They didn't find any evidence of that in the autopsy? Vomiting? Seizures? Nothing? Just, boom... Dead.
It's so weird, it kinda reminds me of this, except that there were obvious signs of poisoning in this case
http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...ear-s-Day-1963
Last edited by blighted star; 09-07-2021 at 07:52 PM.
Yes! Where's the irritation? The signs of toxin ingestion? Skin damage?
It's fucking bizarre. I'm almost positive that they would have at least vomited or something. At least ONE of them out of the four, but all of them.... Nothing? No signs of poisoning at all? And how would the baby ingest water? Wouldn't the baby be drinking formula or be breast fed?
ETA: Okay, the baby was a one year old so I guess she could have drank water too. For some reason I thought she was younger than that. But even still, a baby that small surely would have vomited or at least you would think so.
I was really expecting this to be a freak lightning strike .
Oooh, didn't consider that
I was thinking indirect lightning strike by ground current. My dad lost several of his pet goats that way and he initially thought they were poisoned or drank bad water because there was nothing visibly wrong with the goats. The vet figured it out after a neighbor reported lighting striking in the pasture .
Awww, poor goats.
There's a lightning map - if someone wants to mess with the dates/times on it you could work out if there were strikes in the area when they were hiking. I'd do it myself but I'm on mobile & I need new glasses
https://www.lightningmaps.org/
I found this story from a few days ago and they are considering the lightning angle. I looked at Blighted's map though and I didn't see anything in that area for the time they were hiking, but maybe I'm not doing it correctly.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...a-16436964.php
Another culprit weighed in deaths of California family found on Sierra National Forest trail
Another possibility is being investigated in a case that one sheriff has called the most mysterious of his career.
John Gerrish, 45, Ellen Chung, 30, and their 1-year-old daughter Miju — as well as their family dog Oski — were found dead Aug. 17 in the Devil's Gulch area in the south fork of the Merced River in the Sierra National Forest.
Responding agencies treated the scene as a hazmat situation because of uncertainty about the cause of the fatalities, and everything from toxic algae to dangerous mine gasses to murder has been probed. According to a New York Times feature on the family, now lightning strikes have been added into the mix.
Law enforcement are "investigating possible lightning strikes in the area" at the time of the deaths, the Times reported.
According to the National Weather Service, being struck by lightning is "primarily an injury to the nervous system, often with brain injury and nerve injury. Serious burns seldom occur." Death, which is extraordinarily rare, can be due to cardiac arrest. NWS data from 1989-2018 shows that 10% of people hit by lightning die, averaging 43 fatalities per year in the United States.
What are the odds lighting strike would hit all family members and kill them all?
Happy Birthday! I hid a dead body in your backyard to celebrate. Good luck finding it under the cement. You can only use a stick to look for it.
If they were all close together and lightning struck, the odds are pretty good that they would all get hit, especially if they were touching each other and it could travel easily from one to the other.
Okay, I thought I read the wife was found a little bit away from the others. This case is just so odd.
Happy Birthday! I hid a dead body in your backyard to celebrate. Good luck finding it under the cement. You can only use a stick to look for it.
Oh, I didn't go back and re-read and didn't remember that. If they are suspecting lightning maybe it traveled through their bodies and she was the last one and it threw her?
That would be crazy! I don't really know much about lightning strikes, but doesn't it leave some sort of burn mark?
Happy Birthday! I hid a dead body in your backyard to celebrate. Good luck finding it under the cement. You can only use a stick to look for it.
When I was little 2 of my mom's friends died on a golf course. They were both touching the same tree. When I found out it was open casket, I refused to go in bc I thought they would look like crispy monstersapparently they didnt.
I would think they would have burn marks though. And what about the dog?
I know a guy who was struck by lightening twice and lived.
"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin
AmIAnnoying said the goats that were struck didn't have any visible injuries.
Plus this says not necessarily:
https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/in...tning-injuries
Symptoms of Lightning Injuries
After a person has been struck by lightning, the heart may stop beating (cardiac arrest ) or may beat erratically. When the heart stops or beats erratically, breathing often stops. The heart may beat again on its own, but if breathing has not restarted, the body is deprived of oxygen. The lack of oxygen and, possibly, nervous system damage can cause the heart to stop beating again.
Brain injury usually causes loss of consciousness . If brain damage is severe, coma may develop. Typically, the person awakens but does not remember what happened before the injury (amnesia ). The person may be confused, think slowly, and have difficulty concentrating and remembering recent events. Personality changes may occur and can be permanent.
The eardrums are often perforated. Many eye injuries can develop, including cataracts . Often both legs become temporarily paralyzed, blue, and numb (keraunoparalysis). The skin may show no marks at all or may have minor burns that have a feathering, branching pattern, consist of clusters of tiny pinpoint spots like a cigarette burn, or consist of streaks where sweat has been turned into steam. Numbness, tingling, and weakness may develop because the nerves branching out from the spinal cord have been damaged (peripheral neuropathy).
Interesting. Wouldn't an autopsy show anything? I'm so lost.
Happy Birthday! I hid a dead body in your backyard to celebrate. Good luck finding it under the cement. You can only use a stick to look for it.
Yeah you would think there would be some kind of internal indications of it.
Im not buying the lightning strike angle...unless the dog was on a leash and they were all holding onto a tree or something.
"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin
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