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Thread: Family Of Three + Their Dog Found Deceased In Mysterious Circumstances On Hiking Trail Near Devil's Gulch. Hazmat Scene Declared

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge View Post
    It can enter through skin but they were clothed. Skinny dipping in the toxins? Still confused. Maybe there's still a twist here.
    What if the dog went into the water, or rolled in dried algae, became too sick to walk & they both took turns carrying him until they became too sick to walk too?

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    What bugs me about this is that usually with toxins, you froth at the mouth when you're dying. At least as far as I've known. They didn't find any evidence of that in the autopsy? Vomiting? Seizures? Nothing? Just, boom... Dead.
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    It's so weird, it kinda reminds me of this, except that there were obvious signs of poisoning in this case

    http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...ear-s-Day-1963
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    What bugs me about this is that usually with toxins, you froth at the mouth when you're dying. At least as far as I've known. They didn't find any evidence of that in the autopsy? Vomiting? Seizures? Nothing? Just, boom... Dead.
    Yes! Where's the irritation? The signs of toxin ingestion? Skin damage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge View Post
    Yes! Where's the irritation? The signs of toxin ingestion? Skin damage?
    It's fucking bizarre. I'm almost positive that they would have at least vomited or something. At least ONE of them out of the four, but all of them.... Nothing? No signs of poisoning at all? And how would the baby ingest water? Wouldn't the baby be drinking formula or be breast fed?

    ETA: Okay, the baby was a one year old so I guess she could have drank water too. For some reason I thought she was younger than that. But even still, a baby that small surely would have vomited or at least you would think so.
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    I was really expecting this to be a freak lightning strike .

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    Oooh, didn't consider that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge View Post
    Oooh, didn't consider that
    I was thinking indirect lightning strike by ground current. My dad lost several of his pet goats that way and he initially thought they were poisoned or drank bad water because there was nothing visibly wrong with the goats. The vet figured it out after a neighbor reported lighting striking in the pasture .

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    Awww, poor goats.

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    There's a lightning map - if someone wants to mess with the dates/times on it you could work out if there were strikes in the area when they were hiking. I'd do it myself but I'm on mobile & I need new glasses


    https://www.lightningmaps.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    I found this story from a few days ago and they are considering the lightning angle. I looked at Blighted's map though and I didn't see anything in that area for the time they were hiking, but maybe I'm not doing it correctly.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...a-16436964.php

    Another culprit weighed in deaths of California family found on Sierra National Forest trail
    What are the odds lighting strike would hit all family members and kill them all?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    What are the odds lighting strike would hit all family members and kill them all?
    If they were all close together and lightning struck, the odds are pretty good that they would all get hit, especially if they were touching each other and it could travel easily from one to the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    If they were all close together and lightning struck, the odds are pretty good that they would all get hit, especially if they were touching each other and it could travel easily from one to the other.
    Okay, I thought I read the wife was found a little bit away from the others. This case is just so odd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Okay, I thought I read the wife was found a little bit away from the others. This case is just so odd.
    Oh, I didn't go back and re-read and didn't remember that. If they are suspecting lightning maybe it traveled through their bodies and she was the last one and it threw her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Oh, I didn't go back and re-read and didn't remember that. If they are suspecting lightning maybe it traveled through their bodies and she was the last one and it threw her?
    That would be crazy! I don't really know much about lightning strikes, but doesn't it leave some sort of burn mark?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    That would be crazy! I don't really know much about lightning strikes, but doesn't it leave some sort of burn mark?
    When I was little 2 of my mom's friends died on a golf course. They were both touching the same tree. When I found out it was open casket, I refused to go in bc I thought they would look like crispy monsters apparently they didnt.

    I would think they would have burn marks though. And what about the dog?

    I know a guy who was struck by lightening twice and lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    AmIAnnoying said the goats that were struck didn't have any visible injuries.

    Plus this says not necessarily:

    https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/in...tning-injuries
    Interesting. Wouldn't an autopsy show anything? I'm so lost.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Interesting. Wouldn't an autopsy show anything? I'm so lost.
    Yeah you would think there would be some kind of internal indications of it.
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    Im not buying the lightning strike angle...unless the dog was on a leash and they were all holding onto a tree or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    Im not buying the lightning strike angle...unless the dog was on a leash and they were all holding onto a tree or something.
    At this point, it's as good a theory as any. ALL of the theories come down to them finding nothing in the autopsy. So I've come to the conclusion that the autopsy wasn't done by people that are thorough enough/didn't take the time to be intricate with it.

    We needed Baden or Dr. G on this one and we probably got overworked, State appointed people that just did the bare minimum because they're overworked and not paid enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    Im not buying the lightning strike angle...unless the dog was on a leash and they were all holding onto a tree or something.
    They wouldn't need to be in contact. Being close is close enough. I don't know that I buy lightning either, but there have been a number of cases where groups of people have been struck at the same time. I do think it's odd that none of them show signs of burn injuries if that's what happened. I also have trouble with any of the poisoning theories for the reasons discussed above.

    I imagine coroners have their hands full with all the covid deaths, but yeah. We need some answers here!

    A lightning strike killed at least 16 people and injured many more in Jaipur in northern India on Sunday.

    The victims were taking selfies in the rain on top of a watch tower at the city's 12th Century Amer Fort, a popular tourist attraction.

    Dozens have also died in lightning strikes in Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh states.

    Lightning strikes kill some 2,000 Indians on average every year, according to official data.

    A senior police officer told the media that most of the people among the dead at the fort's tower were young.

    Twenty-seven people were on the tower and the wall of the fort when the incident happened and some reportedly jumped to the ground.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57801398
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    Yes, everything I've considered would leave an indicator of some type. I'll agree with possible poor examination

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    Some general toxic algae info
    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...e-16461960.php

    And yet, there are no reported human deaths from toxic algae. This is largely due to the fact that adults do not often swallow large amounts of polluted water. Anatoxin also breaks down fairly quickly and easily; it doesn?t stay in tissues very long, according to Weiss. For that reason, he says, he?ll be surprised if anatoxins show up in the toxicology reports for Gerrish and Chung.
    Aside from drinking the water, SFGATE asked Weiss, are there other ways the family could have been exposed to a lethal dose of anatoxin?

    The short answer is yes. The compound resides within cyanobacterial cells and is released when those cells rupture. Stomach acid causes this to happen, which is why ingestion is so dangerous. But then, the death of the cells can also leak anatoxin into the water. The compound is then capable of aerosolizing, Weiss says.

    ?So if you?re near splashing water, like rapids or something like that, and you?re getting spray on you, or there?s mist in the air, that can convey it,? he says. ?They probably weren't foolish enough to drink the water ... but did the dog go into the water and come back? Did they pet the dog? The parents are probably holding the child ? and the dermal tolerance is not that high. Once you get it on your body it's likely to make its way into your body, and they were sweating a lot that day, I?m sure.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge View Post
    Sorry. I'm not buying ALL of them dying from this without any indication. If they did, then that's some badass algae.

    We also have to consider, it's not like they were the ONLY ONES that hiked that area that day. I'm sure there were plenty and with dogs. How were they the only ones affected? I wish we had an actual view of the area and how heavily it's normally traveled. I would think that if they put up warning signs for it that it's a used trail.
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    Yeah, that's a very good point. If it was algae or some other toxin it should've impacted someone besides them, or even birds/aquatic species etc

    I'm at a complete loss with this one

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