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    Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    Big shocker.  I'm surprised he held this long, and didn't just bend and pardon him all together.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/libby.sentence/index.html
    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush has commuted the prison term of former White House aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who faced 30 months in prison after a federal court convicted him of perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators.

    Earlier Monday, a federal appeals court unanimously ruled that Libby could not delay his sentence.

    The charges relate to the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity.

    Libby was only weeks away from surrendering to a prison.

    Bush, who was under great pressure by Libby allies to pardon the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney.

    In a written statement issued hours after that ruling, Bush called the sentence "excessive." But he also rejected calls for a pardon for Libby.

    "The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting," Bush said.

    But he said Libby was given "a harsh sentence based in part on allegations never presented to the jury."

    Libby was the highest-ranking White House official ordered to prison since the Iran-Contra affair.

    The conviction remains and Libby will have to pay $250,000 fine.

    A commutation is a total right of the president and it cannot be challenged by any attorney or court. It means that Libby will still have the conviction on his record. Commutations are rarely granted.

    A pardon is a much more complete eradication of a record which makes it appear as if the person has never been convicted. It's possible that Bush could still grant Libby a full pardon

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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    I'm mad as hell to hear this, but not surprised.

    Maybe this'll get more coverage than Paris going to jail. I mean, it's more relevant.......
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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=8539.msg442200#msg442200 date=1183415606]
    I'm mad as hell to hear this, but not surprised.

    Maybe this'll get more coverage than Paris going to jail. I mean, it's more relevant.......
    [/quote]
    Nah, Scooter Libby isn't hot.  No one's ever seen his snatch.

    BTW CNN has a whole new look today!

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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=8539.msg442204#msg442204 date=1183415768]
    Nah, Scooter Libby isn't hot.  No one's ever seen his snatch.

    BTW CNN has a whole new look today!
    [/quote]Gotta check it out. Trying to recover from the weekend, and catch up on all my DVR recorded nonsense.
    I was about to post this, but I didn't think anyone would discuss it.
    Fucked up, eh?
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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=8539.msg442208#msg442208 date=1183415910]
    Gotta check it out. Trying to recover from the weekend, and catch up on all my DVR recorded nonsense.
    I was about to post this, but I didn't think anyone would discuss it.
    Fucked up, eh?
    [/quote]
    I care, Ron.  I care.

    What really pisses me off is that, scumbag that Libby is, he was hardly the lone wolf mastermind behind all this.  A lot of people walked away unscathed.  Outing a CIA agent is serious business.

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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=8539.msg442219#msg442219 date=1183416280]
    I care, Ron.  I care.

    What really pisses me off is that, scumbag that Libby is, he was hardly the lone wolf mastermind behind all this.  A lot of people walked away unscathed.  Outing a CIA agent is serious business.
    [/quote]Oh of course.
    He was a scapegoat that didn't even get to do any real scapegoating.
    But when a Democrat lies, heads must roll....remember?

    In the end this was a giant circle jerk strictly for political purposes.
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    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=8539.msg442237#msg442237 date=1183416959]
    Oh of course.
    He was a scapegoat that didn't even get to do any real scapegoating.
    But when a Democrat lies, heads must roll....remember?

    In the end this was a giant circle jerk strictly for political purposes.
    [/quote]

    Haha, I don't remember Clinton's head rolling. Just getting teased, lol. :lol:

    The honest truth is that be they Republican or Democrat, one side will always rail against the personal/political transgressions of the other, the punishment (in the eyes of their accusers) will never fit the crime, and the sun will rise the next morning over the Republic, with everyone going about their lives as normal.

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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=Mr. Blue Sky link=topic=8539.msg442255#msg442255 date=1183417892]
    Haha, I don't remember Clinton's head rolling. Just getting teased, lol. :lol:

    The honest truth is that be they Republican or Democrat, one side will always rail against the personal/political transgressions of the other, the punishment (in the eyes of their accusers) will never fit the crime, and the sun will rise the next morning over the Republic, with everyone going about their lives as normal.


    [/quote]

    I agree except that the republicans seem to dwell a lot more over the personal lives of others, whereas the democrats hammer home on the political transgressions.


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    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=8539.msg442256#msg442256 date=1183418050]
    I agree except that the republicans seem to dwell a lot more over the personal lives of others, whereas the democrats hammer home on the political transgressions.


    [/quote]

      Two words. Mark Foley. :lol:

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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=Mr. Blue Sky link=topic=8539.msg442264#msg442264 date=1183418414]
      Two words. Mark Foley. :lol:

    The only difference between politicians and sharks are the fact that politicians live above water.
    [/quote]
    But wasn't that with an underage boy?  That's different than airing the laundry of two consenting adults.

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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=8539.msg442268#msg442268 date=1183418729]
    But wasn't that with an underage boy?  That's different than airing the laundry of two consenting adults.
    [/quote]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...s#Sex_Scandals

    Plenty of that to go around, on both ends of the aisles.
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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    getting a blow job and lying about it hardly compares to outing a CIA agent or molesting children.

    re: topic at hand... i am utterly disgusted.
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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=saidgrace link=topic=8539.msg443289#msg443289 date=1183468666]
    getting a blow job and lying about it hardly compares to outing a CIA agent or molesting children.

    re: topic at hand... i am utterly disgusted.
    [/quote]But not surprised......
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    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=8539.msg443300#msg443300 date=1183469703]
    But not surprised......
    [/quote]

    actually, i kind of am... i'm dense about this stuff sometimes. always expecting people to have a shred of self respect even when there is absolutely no reason to expect that.
    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=4526.msg172502#msg172502 date=1170561506]<br />How can you have any lack of love for SG!?!?<br /><br />I tink shes more kewler then most!<br />[/quote]

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    [quote author=saidgrace link=topic=8539.msg443303#msg443303 date=1183469833]
    actually, i kind of am... i'm dense about this stuff sometimes. always expecting people to have a shred of self respect even when there is absolutely no reason to expect that.
    [/quote]

    Thanks. That was great.
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    [quote author=saidgrace link=topic=8539.msg443303#msg443303 date=1183469833]
    actually, i kind of am... i'm dense about this stuff sometimes. always expecting people to have a shred of self respect even when there is absolutely no reason to expect that.
    [/quote]

    Don't use &quot;politician&quot; and &quot;self respect&quot; in the same sentence.

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    i didn't.&nbsp; :lol:
    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=4526.msg172502#msg172502 date=1170561506]<br />How can you have any lack of love for SG!?!?<br /><br />I tink shes more kewler then most!<br />[/quote]

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    [quote author=saidgrace link=topic=8539.msg443311#msg443311 date=1183470564]
    i didn't.&nbsp; :lol:
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    [quote author=delta9 link=topic=8539.msg443315#msg443315 date=1183470739]
    :|

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    hahahaha! you're dead to me boy
    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=4526.msg172502#msg172502 date=1170561506]<br />How can you have any lack of love for SG!?!?<br /><br />I tink shes more kewler then most!<br />[/quote]

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    [quote author=saidgrace link=topic=8539.msg443317#msg443317 date=1183471069]
    hahahaha! you're dead to me boy
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    Where's your mom with my tacos?

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    [quote author=delta9 link=topic=8539.msg443323#msg443323 date=1183471278]
    Where's your mom with my tacos?
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    mom's always ready with the tacos.
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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    An e-mail I just got from Chuck Schumer (:lol:):

    Dear Friend,

    I’m outraged.&nbsp; President Bush commuted Scooter Libby’s prison sentence wiping away two and half years of jail time with the stroke of a pen.&nbsp; President Bush ignored Libby’s felony conviction for lying to investigators, ignored the jury’s guilty verdict, and ignored the rule of law that governs our nation.&nbsp;

    We expect more from our President.&nbsp; We expect honor and integrity, we expect moral leadership.&nbsp; We expect our President and his staff to be held to a higher standard.&nbsp;

    Tell President Bush that you are appalled by his actions.&nbsp; Sign our petition today letting President Bush know that this outrageous conduct won’t be tolerated by the American people.

    Sincerely,

    Chuck Schumer

    P.S. It’s at times like these that I realize just how important a strong Democratic Senate is to our nation.&nbsp; Democrats are fighting the Republican’s abuse of power but we can’t do it without your help.&nbsp; Tell President Bush that you are appalled by his actions.&nbsp; Sign our petition today letting President Bush know that this outrageous conduct won’t be tolerated by the American people.

    The petition:

    http://www.dscc.org/makeadifference/...0702_libby.htm

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    [quote author=bowieluva link=topic=8539.msg442268#msg442268 date=1183418729]
    But wasn't that with an underage boy?&nbsp; That's different than airing the laundry of two consenting adults.
    [/quote]

    actually, the boys were young but perfectly legal.&nbsp; not to say what he did wasn't wrong, it was.&nbsp; he was taking advantage of his position.

    i honestly thought there would be a full pardon for libby.&nbsp; 2.5 years of jail wasn't enough in the first place, not to mention that cheney should be the one behind bars, i mean how can you even pretend he is innocent after libby was convicted?&nbsp; fuggin' politics man...&nbsp; &nbsp;

    this shit still pisses me off...had the president not sent us to WAR under FALSE PRETENSES then we'd never be in this boat in the first place.&nbsp; they're all morons...&nbsp; ugh.

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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=jesserz44 link=topic=8539.msg443449#msg443449 date=1183477522]
    An e-mail I just got from Chuck Schumer (:lol:):
    ........
    [/quote]
    Why is my Senator writing you?
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    Re: Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    [quote author=Ron_NYC link=topic=8539.msg443460#msg443460 date=1183478181]
    Why is my Senator writing you?
    [/quote]

    hell, i got a xmas card from jimmy carter last year!&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp;

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