I don’t think his ego could take that. I bet he runs to Parler if anything.Originally Posted by curiouscat
I don’t think his ego could take that. I bet he runs to Parler if anything.
I read just recently that when Twitter suspended his account for 24 hours, he used one of his aides' accounts.
https://qz.com/1953830/trumps-near-c...itter-account/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...JwEiTwwVTMaJcM
Twitter on Friday permanently suspended President Donald Trump from the site, meting out its toughest punishment two days after a deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol “due to the risk of further incitement of violence.”
Twitter said Trump’s recent tweets — praising his supporters as “great American patriots” and announcing he would not attend the inauguration of Joseph Biden as the next president of the United States — together threatened to ratchet up tensions in a country still reeling from the violent, pro-Trump mob that stormed the House and Senate.
The suspension amounted to a historic rebuke for a president who had used the social-networking site to rise to political prominence. Twitter had been Trump’s primary megaphone, the tool he tapped to push his policies, drive political news cycles, disperse advantageous falsehoods, savage his critics and speak to more than 88 million supporters and critics almost every day.
Twitter had resisted taking action against Trump for years, even as critics called on the company to suspend him, out of a belief that a world leader should be able to speak to his or her citizens unfettered. But Trump’s escalating tweets casting doubt on the 2020 election — and the riot at the U.S. Capitol his comments helped inspire — led the company to reverse course.
In doing so, Twitter joined Facebook in punishing the president in the waning hours of his first term. Facebook said Thursday its suspension is indefinite, lasting at least the next two weeks, citing a similar belief that the risks are “simply too great” at a moment of transition for the country. Both tech giants previously joined Google-owned YouTube in removing or limiting access to Trump’s posts, including a video he shared earlier this week that once against advanced widely disproved falsehoods about the validity of the 2020 vote.
Twitter said it delivered its final banishment out of a concern that Trump’s tweets essentially amounted to a “glorification of violence.” The company said his stated intention to skip the inauguration essentially served as “further confirmation that the election was not legitimate.” Trump’s rallying cry to his supporters, meanwhile, served as “encouragement to those potentially considering violent acts“ — partly because the president made clear he would not be attending Biden’s official swearing-in ceremony.
The decision marked a dramatic departure from Twitter’s prior approach to Trump. And in considering how his supporters might read and interpret his messages, it potentially opened the door for the company to take a more aggressive approach on other content, including tweets from political leaders, in the future, experts said.
“That’s a standard that’s never existed,” said Alex Stamos, a former Facebook chief security officer, now head of Stanford Internet Observatory, a disinformation research group. “The ‘impact’ standard has never existed.”
Stamos added that Twitter’s action — and Facebook’s recent enforcement efforts — meant that "the right-wing social media ecosystem in America has been shattered.”
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The move comes amid a wave of criticism from Democratic lawmakers and Twitter’s own employees, who demanded in a letter written this week that the company’s leaders permanently suspend Trump’s account. In an internal letter addressed to chief executive Jack Dorsey and his top executives viewed by The Washington Post, roughly 350 Twitter employees requested an investigation into the past several years of corporate actions that led to Twitter’s role in the insurrection.
Facebook bans Trump indefinitely, CEO Mark Zuckerberg says
“Despite our efforts to serve the public conversation, as Trump’s megaphone, we helped fuel the deadly events of January 6th,” the employees wrote. “We request an investigation into how our public policy decisions led to the amplification of serious anti-democratic threats. We must learn from our mistakes in order to avoid causing future harm.”
“We play an unprecedented role in civil society and the world’s eyes are upon us. Our decisions this week will cement our place in history, for better or worse,” the employees added.
In a statement, Twitter spokesperson Brandon Borrman wrote, “Twitter encourages an open dialogue between our leadership and employees, and we welcome our employees expressing their thoughts and concerns in whichever manner feels right to them.”
Letter to Jack Dorsey from Twitter employees asking to permanently suspend Donald Trump’s account
Twitter on Wednesday initially labeled Trump’s tweets about the election as disputed. But a subsequent video from the president — calling for calm while continuing to peddle disinformation — prompted the company to step up its enforcement actions. Twitter ultimately locked the president out of his account for the first time, requiring him to delete his offending tweets — then wait 12 hours — in order to regain access. That came Thursday morning, and Trump issued his first public comments on the site later that night. Twitter said it would suspend Trump permanently if he continues to break its rules, putting users at risk.
The letter is addressed to “Staff,” company lingo for C-suite executives who report directly to Dorsey, including Vijaya Gadde, who leads the company’s legal, policy, and trust and safety divisions. During a virtual meeting on Friday afternoon, Dorsey and Gadde shared their thoughts on Twitter’s response, according to an employee, who requested anonymity for fear of retaliation.
After Twitter’s first-ever blockade of Trump’s account, chief executive Mark Zuckerberg announced Thursday morning that Facebook would also escalate its response to Trump. For the first time, Zuckerberg said Trump would be blocked from posting to his Facebook and Instagram accounts "for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete.”
Zuckerberg’s response also followed internal pressure, including questions from employees posted on an internal message board.
Oh my gosh, he never fails to surprise me! Ty!
Saturday Night Live is going to have a field day with this. He basically gives them their material.
I'm sure all the stuff going on has to be a blow to his Narcissistic ego.
"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin
He already tweeted somethings on the POTUS account and it was taken down, I think
And can you imagine the outrage on parler right now?
I would have loved to be the Twitter employee who got to press that button. They should have at least live streamed it.
I'm going to drop this here. Twitter used for good, rather than for evil.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1348249481284874240
Good video.
When Arnold compared Proud Boys to the Nazis, I thought of Trump as Hitler. He may not say it loudly, but the people he surrounds himself with makes me feel that if he got another four years, what would stop him from trying to rule another four or to make himself king?
I'm glad that Georgia turned blue. I'm sure all the women and minorities that normally don't vote stood up and said, enough is enough. We're not going to live another four years with this narcissistic tyrant in charge.
I must confess, I don't care about politics normally. I usually just go along with whatever candidate my husband likes, because to me, all the presidential candidates have sucked. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican or a Liberal.
But this time, I decided not to go with my husband's choice. I voted Biden.
My husband thinks of Trump as a businessman and not a politician. He says Trump doesn't feed us the same bull as politicians and he's done a lot of good. I'm not sure what good he's done?! Can someone play devil's advocate and tell me what good he's done?
I'm sorry, I can' help you in that. He has come in and destroyed all our protections for food, water, virgin land, national parks, etc. He has targeted immigrants, women, racial minorities. He has pulled us out of climate agreements. He gassed peaceful protestors for a photo op. He has expressed incestuous thoughts about one of his daughters. He has raised the debt in America by a far larger percentage than any president in history. For his own political gain he denied a pandemic, and railed against the only mediation means we had (masks) which resulted in his followers not wearing them and causing tens of thousands more to die. He palled around with dictators. Oh, ok...here's a positive for the LARGE business community...he lowered taxes for them, but the middle class paid for it.
People who think Trump is a non-politician, and 'drained the swamp' worry me. It makes me think they like the horrible things he has done, and want to couch their admiration for him under the guise of him being a good businessman.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...ntent-n1253648
Amazon suspends hosting Parler on its servers over violent content
Amazon will suspend social media site Parler from its server hosting service on Sunday over violent content that has also prompted Google Play and Apple to remove the platform from its app stores.
Parler, the “Twitter for conservatives,” was used by supporters of President Donald Trump to express hatred and threaten violence that culminated in Wednesday's riots at the U.S. Capitol, the tech giants said.
"Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms," Amazon Web Services trust and safety team said in a letter to Parler obtained by NBC News.
"It’s clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service."
Parler CEO John Matze, writing on his platform, called the decision by Amazon an "attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet."
"There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch," he wrote.
Matze accused the Silicon Valley tech giants of a "coordinated effort knowing our options would be limited and knowing this would inflict the most damage right as President Trump was banned from the tech companies."
Trump's son, Donald Trump, Jr., described the situation in a tweet as a "purge of conservative ideas and thought leaders."
Twitter permanently suspended the president on Friday, citing “the risk of further incitement of violence.” The next day, Apple's App Store joined Google Play in suspending Parler until it adopts stricter content moderation.
"We have always supported diverse points of view being represented on the App Store, but there is no place on our platform for threats of violence and illegal activity," Apple said in a statement Saturday.
Last edited by raisedbywolves; 01-10-2021 at 06:41 AM.
Good for you, I think you chose wisely!
Trump as a businessman, not a politician. Well yes. A failed business man, a slumlord, a predatory college owner. A.... OK, that's not what you asked. I'll try to answer.
*disclaimer. The "good" Trump has done is only good from certain points of view.
Tax relief for the top income brackets. If you were rich in 2016, you are richer now, most likely. Good for you!
Relief from burdensome regulations. If your company was forced (or about to be forced) to do expensive things to protect the environment, or at least minimize the damage you do, good news. You don't need to make those changes now, pollute away.
If your business model runs on the backs of marginalized workers, good news. OSHA and other agencys that protect workers have been gutted.
If it benefits you to have a heavily funded militarized police force, thank Trump for his help.
If you are an insurance company terrified that you'll be put out of business because universal health care and the ACA is costing you business, Trump was a godsend
If you are a medical provider terrified that universal health care will change your business model (providing elective, unnecessary care to the wealthy and well insured,) good news, we've gutted that messy mandate. Well it was good news until the pandemic came along bankrupting your liposuction practice.
If you like conservative judges, Trump and his gang got you 3 at the supreme level and 100s? 1000s? at the lower levels. (Conservative judges really are a not entirely terrible thing) Look how well they did stomping out the flames of election fraud.
And one thing that might have really been for the best. His operation "warp speed" initiative does seem to have yielded several viable vaccines that might well have taken longer to come to market under a more hands on administration.
So to sum up, he has done things, or more often NOT done things that did / do benefit certain groups and classes of people. The fact that he put the whole country, no the whole world, in greater danger, peril, distress, etc., notwithstanding.
Now if you're not a rich industrialist? You are decidedly not better off than you were before.
And finally, I like to push back on better a business man than a politician. Business people, by definition, try to do whats right for their business. That doesn't automatically translate to what's best for everyone, it doesn't even mean whats best for their customers or employees. It means what's profitable for the business. And Trump has never (multiple bankruptcies remember) been good at that.
A politician should be looking out for the best interests of the voters, a smart politician would look out for all voters, those that voted for her and those that did not. The common welfare as it's called. A dumb politician looks out only for his own voters. A crook goes into politics to benefit himself. Trump, is a crook.
Last edited by puzzld; 01-10-2021 at 07:00 AM.
Good list Puzz!
One point though, the first vaccine came from outside of the Warp Speed Operation...They did not take government money and were not part of the program, so it's arguable that the initiative made it truly happen earlier than it would have otherwise. Also, the Trump rollout of the vaccine now that it's here has been abysmal. What's the point in rushing to make it if the government overseeing it slows everything down to a halt and people aren't getting vaccinated?
I didn't touch on the great sell off of public lands to oil and mining interest. Clearly a win if you want to despoil millions of acres of pristine wilderness for personal profit. Breaks my heart.
I don't disagree on the vaccine front... but it could be argued, and has been by a semi sane R veterinarian that I know... "the government didn't get in the way of vaccine development" and I do agree with that. The first vaccine would still have been developed, but still be lingering awaiting approval had the FDA been acting more like the very cautious org that they have been in the past. I don't know that Trump did anything to help, but his inaction... Anyway.
Yes deployment is a flustercluck. Trump was going to use the military. What happened with that? Is he holding them in reserve to say invade the capitol? Overturn the election?
I'd like to add a disclaimer to Warp Speed.
It's not as if we wouldn't have needed the vaccines PRONTO either way, but he took actions that cost WAY more lives than had to happen in the first place.
Anyway, enjoy!
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
The fact that people on the Healthcare front are refusing to get vaccinated worries me. I don't think a lot of people understand that the vaccine doesn't contain the virus like the flu shot.
I'm honestly not understanding that either. You would think people in that field of work would understand what goes in to this vaccine. It's terrifying to think that some of them have also been brainwashed with this Qanon crap.
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
I say this with love for everyone risking their own live to help others. We have nursing students taking some of their classes on our campus. Many smart, sane,sensible people in the group. But also some of the flakiest, least sensible and just not very bright people too. They may be book smart enough and able to pass their classes, but some of them couldn't reason their way out of a paper bag. It doesn't surprise me that some of them make really lame decisions about their own health.
My cousin is in the healthcare field and she just got her second round. She got the vaccine, as she put it "to protect others". I admire that.
Happy Birthday! I hid a dead body in your backyard to celebrate. Good luck finding it under the cement. You can only use a stick to look for it.
Just wait until all of these yahoos figure out that a federal offense means they'll have to turn in their guns. They were right. They would be coming for their guns. They just didn't realize that it would be their own stupidity that made it happen for real.
In other news, Parler is fucked. They'll get sued every which way but Sunday by both government agencies and users.
You can take those Fleets and shove them up your ass
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/snapchat-trump-ban/
Along with other popular social media platforms, Snap last week temporarily banned President Trump from its platform. The company is now blocking Mr. Trump's Snapchat account for good.
"In the interest of public safety, and based on his attempts to spread misinformation, hate speech and incite violence, which are clear violations of our guidelines, we have made the decision to permanently terminate his account," Snap said in a statement.
The violent breach of the Capitol on January 6 by a mob of supporters of Mr. Trump, in which five people died, has led social media companies to examine their role in the spread of election falsehoods and other misinformation by the president and his administration.
Snapchat, a messaging app that lets users post photos, videos and messages that appear momentarily before being made inaccessible, said it stopped promoting Mr. Trump's account in June after he continued to post what the company described as dangerous rhetoric inciting violence and hate. Users at the time could still view the president's "snaps," but only if they searched for, or subscribed to, the president's account, which remained active.
Mr. Trump has since continued to violate Snapchat's guidelines dozens of times, according to the company. Snapchat, which has roughly 250 million daily users according to company data, said it removed each post and sent warnings to the president's social media team.
The company said it is worried about being a conduit for spreading misinformation mainly because the platform's news feed is unmoderated, meaning anyone can broadcast falsehoods to a wide audience. Closing Mr. Trump's account was in the long-term interest of all Snapchat users, the company said.
The Trump campaign did not respond to requests for comment on Thursday.
Cut off from social media
Mr. Trump has lost access to the nation's leading social media platforms in the final days of his presidency, including Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube.
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said its block on Mr. Trump's account would remain in place through the end of the president's term — and potentially indefinitely. The restrictions include use of Instagram, which is owned by Facebook.
YouTube said this week that it had removed content from Mr. Trump's channel and that it has banned him from uploading any new videos or livestreams for at least a week. User comments on the president's channel have also been banned indefinitely by YouTube.
In a series of tweets Wednesday, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey said that banning Mr. Trump was the right decision, while acknowledging that doing so deals a blow to free speech. Mr. Trump had amassed nearly 90 million followers on his @realdonaldtrump Twitter account just before the ban.
"Having to take these actions fragment the public conversation," Dorsey tweeted. "They divide us. They limit the potential for clarification, redemption, and learning and sets a precedent I feel is dangerous: the power an individual or corporation has over a part of the global public conversation."
Some experts said major social media players' efforts to tamp down on misinformation will have an impact, but are unlikely to stamp out the conspiracy theories and hate that have run rampant on the internet.
"We're going to see less opportunity to radicalize new people" on mainstream platforms, Kate Starbird, a leading misinformation expert at the University of Washington told the Associated Press. "But for those who are already radicalized, or already down the rabbit hole with conspiracy theories, this might not make a difference if the places they go become echo chambers."
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/wor...s-dad-can-use/
I call Bullshit on this one There is no fucking way Elon Musk wants to be boycotted from Tesla and SpaceX
US President Donald Trump may have had his Twitter account permanently suspended, but his son is already out here looking for an alternative to help his dad out.
In a recent Instagram video, Donald Trump Jr asked SA-born tech entrepreneur Elon Musk to help “save free speech”.
“I am not looking for a conservative echo chamber. I want a platform to argue my ideas vs someone else’s and not just people in a place telling me what I want to hear. Elon, why don’t you do that? Get out there and come up with a concept. I think you are literally the guy to save free speech in America.”
Elon has not yet responded to the request, but Trump Jr's request has sparked fierce debate on social media.
Musk recently endorsed messaging app Signal, amid concerns about WhatsApp's new privacy policy. The app is known for its stringent security and privacy settings.
Twitter on Friday deleted new tweets posted by Trump on the official US presidency account and suspended the account of his presidential campaign.
The company said accounts used by Trump to try to get around the ban could face permanent suspension, under its “ban evasion” policies.
“Twitter is not about free speech,” Trump wrote on the presidency's account, hinting at possibly building his own social media platform in the near future.
Trump has been banned from several other social media platforms, including Facebook, YouTube and Instagram, after his supporters stormed the US Capitol last week.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/business...lon-musk-tweet
Gab seems to know how to get people talking.
The social media platform, which is seen as an alternative to Twitter, sent out a cryptic tweet early Tuesday that showed a picture of a satellite in Earth’s orbit.
“Call me, Elon,” is written in green and the text reads, “It needs to happen. @ElonMusk.”
Emails from Fox News to Musk’s lawyer and Tesla were not immediately returned, but the post stirred debate online on what the potential could be if the world’s second-richest man—worth about $172 billion—decided to enter the social media game.
Musk responded to Big Tech’s recent crackdown on President Trump and his supporters in a tweet that read, “A lot of people are going to be super unhappy with West Coast high tech as the de facto arbiter of free speech.”
FOX Business reported that Musk once called out Amazon for reportedly censoring the publication of a book about the coronavirus.
Gab did not immediately respond to FOX Business' request for comment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...jan-6-capitol/
The chairwoman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Thursday asked the FBI to conduct a “robust examination” of the alleged role in the Jan. 6 Capitol siege of Parler, the now-disabled social media site that bristled with violent chatter before and after a mob stormed the Capitol in a rampage that left one police officer and four rioters dead.
Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.), the chairwoman, said the request is a step toward opening a formal committee investigation into sites that may encourage violence, including Parler. The site became prominent last year as a freewheeling alternative to Twitter, gaining popularity in particular among conservatives.
She said the committee will begin its own formal investigation of Parler and similar sites, and that it was a “top priority” for her to learn answers to a range of questions about Parler, including its alleged ties to Russia, as documented in news reports. Her letter to FBI Director Christopher A. Wray on Thursday singled out Parler’s use of a Russian-owned Web services company, DDoS-Guard, that also has Russian government clients and may leave Parler vulnerable to data requests by Russian agencies.
“I am going to get to the bottom of who owns and funds social media platforms like Parler that condone and create violence,” Maloney said in an interview with The Washington Post.
In response to Maloney’s letter, Parler Chief Operating Officer Jeffrey Wernick said in a statement to The Post, “Like other social-media platforms, we have been cooperating and will continue to cooperate with law-enforcement efforts to identify and prosecute those individuals responsible for organizing and carrying out the shameless Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. Parler welcomes Rep. Maloney’s call to have the Federal Bureau of Investigation conduct a robust examination of our policies and actions."
Parler previously has described its ownership and leadership as based in the United States, with conservative financier Rebekah Mercer and commentator Dan Bongino among its investors. It hired DDoS-Guard to protect it from cyberattacks after Amazon Web Services suspended Parler for having inadequate moderation policies, citing in a legal filing what it said was the site’s “unwillingness and inability” to remove content “inciting and planning the rape, torture, and assassination of named public officials and private citizens.”
The move knocked Parler offline, further clouding its future after Apple and Google also had removed it from their app stores for similar policy violations. It has struggled to get back online, but its officers have vowed to do so. Parler’s legal fight to force Amazon to restore its service suffered a setback on Thursday when a federal district judge in Seattle denied Parler’s request for a preliminary injunction.
Pro-Trump forums erupt with violent threats ahead of Wednesday’s rally against the 2020 election
“Our return is inevitable due to hard work, and persistence against all odds. Despite the threats and harassment not one Parler employee has quit. We are becoming closer and stronger as a team,” chief executive John Matze wrote in a post Monday. As the letter from Maloney noted, Matze is married to a Russian woman, a fact previously noted in numerous news reports that raised the issue without documenting improper influence over the company.
Conservative commentators Mark Levin and Sean Hannity, along with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), have posted words of support, but the site overall remained inoperative Thursday morning.
Maloney’s letter called on the bureau to “conduct a robust examination of the role that the social media site Parler played in the assault, including as a potential facilitator of planning and incitement related to the violence.”
The FBI national press office said in a statement to The Post, “We have received the letter and are reviewing.”
DDoS-Guard did not respond to a request for comment Thursday, but officials with the company said in a statement Tuesday, “At this time, Parler.com does not violate either our Acceptable Use Policy or the current US law to the best of our knowledge.”
Congress has wide-ranging authority to inquire about private companies, but Parler and other social media sites also enjoy broad legal immunity for what others post on their platforms through Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. While there is ample evidence of hateful conversation ahead of the attack on the Capitol and calls for violence against members of Congress, the posts were made by Parler’s users — many of them using pseudonyms — a fact limiting Parler’s responsibility.
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The company, based in Henderson, Nev., and founded in 2018, has engaged in limited moderation, using panels of users to review potentially problematic posts while portraying itself as a haven for free speech at a time of rising restrictions and enforcement on mainstream platforms such as Twitter, Facebook and YouTube.
Parler refused to remove accounts affiliated with Russian influence operations documented in October by research firm Graphika, saying that no government authority had asked it do so.
Maloney wrote in her letter: “The company was founded by John Matze shortly after he traveled in Russia with his wife, who is Russian and whose family reportedly has ties to the Russian government. Concerns about the company’s connections to Russia have grown since the company re-emerged on a Russian hosting service, DDoS-Guard.”
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She wrote that the Russian company “has ties to the Russian government and hosts the websites of other far-right extremist groups, as well as the terrorist group Hamas.”
DDoS-Guard stopped protecting the Hamas website in November, according to SITE Intelligence Group.
Parler and Gab, two conservative social media sites, keep alleged Russian disinformation up, despite report
The new Congress is only just forming, but Maloney made it clear in her interview with The Post that studying Parler is a priority for the investigative oversight panel. Maloney has a long-standing interest in possible foreign support of U.S. companies. In December, legislation she has championed for years was passed into law requiring more disclosure for shell companies.
The new law will require shell companies to provide the names of their owners or face stiff penalties and jail sentences. The Corporate Transparency Act mandates that information about shell companies be stored in a confidential database accessible to federal law enforcement and shared with banks, which are often unwitting accomplices to international corruption and terrorism.
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