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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    Boycot! No mask no shop.
    That's pretty much how I feel. Any place that bans masks is a HUGE no for me!

    Also, I meant Stand Your Ground above...obviously I cannot spell anymore.

    Are most of the people wearing them where you guys are? I would say only about 20% of people are wearing them here in the Orlando area from what I have seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    That's pretty much how I feel. Any place that bans masks is a HUGE no for me!

    Also, I meant Stand Your Ground above...obviously I cannot spell anymore.

    Are most of the people wearing them where you guys are? I would say only about 20% of people are wearing them here in the Orlando area from what I have seen.
    Depends on the place. I've seen lots of people wearing masks at Walmart, but virtually no one wearing them at Target. I even saw one Target employee not wearing one.
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    Jumping to conclusions here, but I guess these NFL players didn't save their BIG paychecks for a rainy (coronavirus) day.
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    https://www.southbendtribune.com/new...def841019.html

    A 7-Eleven store manager was assaulted Wednesday morning after she told a customer he had to put on a face mask before being served.

    The incident comes nine days after a St. Joseph County Health Department order requiring masks be worn in all businesses and enclosed public spaces where social distancing of at least 6 feet can’t be maintained.

    About 9 a.m. Wednesday, police say, a black male, about 5-foot-9 and 150 pounds, entered the 7-Eleven on North Main Street and tried to buy a cup of coffee. When the man was told he wouldn’t be served because he was not wearing a face covering, he threw the coffee in the manager’s face and left.

    The man returned to the store and punched the employee, knocking her to the ground, and continued punching and kicking her before leaving the store, she told police.

    Mishawaka police Lt. Tim Williams said the woman sustained minor injuries and refused emergency medical treatment on scene.

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    My friend works at a Mavericks. The other night a couple of women came in with 1/2 dozen kids. Let them run all over the store touching things, kids are sniffy and snotty and coughing, as kids do. Friend asked if one of the women couldn't pay for the gas and make purchases for the whole carload, while the other one took the kids back to the car to wait. The commenced... but at least friend didn't get shot or punched. She did spend the rest of her shift wiping down candy bars and anything else the party touched.
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    lol at Nestle being some vicious smiter, she's the nicest person on this site besides probably puzzld. Or at least the last person to resort to smiting.
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    What is this shit I'm hearing that COVID isn't easily spread through contaminated surfaces? I thought it lived on surfaces for days?

    I don't even know what to believe anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    What is this shit I'm hearing that COVID isn't easily spread through contaminated surfaces? I thought it lived on surfaces for days?

    I don't even know what to believe anymore.
    I swear, I have heard so many things (like it's not even airborne) that contradict everything I have learned about it. It's so hard to know what is true and what isn't. I am still going to continue acting as if it's super contagious in every way. Better safe than sorry.


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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...id=recommended

    A man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after opening fire on a Waffle House employee who told him he needed to wear a mask, authorities in Colorado said.

    He was arrested Monday. The attack happened early Friday at a restaurant in the Denver suburb of Aurora, police said in a statement. Officers responding to a report of a fight and possible shooting found the employee with a gunshot wound, the Aurora Police Department said.

    "The victim was transported to the hospital and is recovering from his injury," police said.

    Television station KVDR in Denver obtained information from an arrest affidavit that alleges the suspect, 27-year-old Kelvin Watson, attempted to purchase takeout food when he was told by a cook that he could not order without a mask.

    The suspect allegedly returned later that night with a mask, which he was not wearing, and was again turned away by the same cook. He then placed a gun on the counter and threatened to "blow your brains out," according to the report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    What is this shit I'm hearing that COVID isn't easily spread through contaminated surfaces? I thought it lived on surfaces for days?

    I don't even know what to believe anymore.
    Outside. If it's out in the sunshine it seems to be much less contagious. Inside still considered to be risky. Or so I've heard.
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    Social distancing is a joke.
    My brother and his gf are in town so we went out to eat.
    We were sitting outside on this super long bench and this family sat less than 4 feet from my baby's carrier. There was still room on the bench much further down. I kept wanting to move, but my husband acted like I was dumb for freaking out.
    Also, this restaurant said they were doing limited seating and following the 6 feet apart rule.
    Yeah right. We were sat outside right next to another table. Also, every table inside was filled.
    I think Governor Kemp should have to go to each business and personally train them for several weeks on the reopening guidelines.
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9513346.html

    Disgraced former British doctor Andrew Wakefield is at the forefront of efforts by anti-vaccine activists in the US to use the coronavirus pandemic to try and persuade Americans vaccines are unsafe.

    As the number of global infections from the coronavirus passes 4.3 million and the death toll approaches 300,000, dozens of drug companies and nonprofits are searching for a vaccine. Most officials agree access to a safe and effective treatment is the only way to end the pandemic, restore public confidence and restart the economy.

    Yet the virus and the search for a vaccine are being used as a rallying cry by activists who claim, contrary to the evidence, that vaccines are unsafe, that they can cause autism, and that the likes of Bill Gates, co-founder of the Gates Foundation, are part of a global, self-serving partnership to hype the dangers of the disease and gain financially from finding a vaccine.

    Last month, activists held an online “Health Freedom Summit” at which Wakefield and other prominent figures in the anti-vaccine world spoke, denouncing vaccines and suggesting people were exaggerating the danger represented by Covid-19.

    The summit was organised by Alana Newman and Stephanie Lind, who said they brought together 30 activists, writers and medical professionals.

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    According to The Washington Post, Wakefield told those watching: “One of the main tenets of the marketing of mandatory vaccination has been fear. And never have we seen fear exploited in the way that we do now with the coronavirus infection.”




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    He added: “We are seeing a destruction of the economy, a destruction of people and families, and unprecedented violations of health freedom. And it’s all based upon a fallacy.”

    Newman, who has three children, told The Independent that if a vaccine for the coronavirus was found, she would not take it herself or give it to her children. If they became infected, she said she would be rather take therapeutics, which she claimed included a high dose of vitamin C, and the controversial anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine, which Donald Trump has touted as a treatment, despite his own experts saying there is little evidence it works.

    “We’re not in this for money. We’re trying to keep our kids healthy,” said Newman, who lives in Louisiana.




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    “If they don’t want it, you can’t force them to take it. It’s medical rape. It’s not cool to force people to inject something into their bodies or the bodies of their children against their will. You’re going to get a war if you try to do that.”

    Asked if she was talking about peaceful protests or actual violence, she said: “Americans are prepared to fight physically for things that they feel are important.”


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    The campaign against vaccines is nothing new, yet it has gained more traction since Trump was elected to office. During a Republican Party primary debate in 2015, the then candidate raised doubts about the safety of vaccines, saying: “You take this little, beautiful baby and you pump – I mean it looks just like it’s meant for a horse, not for a child.”

    After he was elected, Trump met with four high profile anti-vaccine campaigners at his estate in Florida, inducing Wakefield. For a period, it appeared Trump was set to announce a commission into vaccine safety, which was to be chaired by another anti-vaccine activist, Robert F Kennedy.

    Wakefield is known in the UK as the paediatrician who in 1998 used a press conference called to publicise a paper published in The Lancet, to claim researchers had found a link between autism and the MMR vaccine, given to children to guard against measles, mumps, and rubella.

    The claims caused a firestorm. Trust in the vaccine and its subsequent use plunged. Yet other experts were unable to match the results. The Lancet later retracted the paper and Wakefield was subsequently found guilty by the British General Medical Council (GMC) of three dozen charges, including dishonesty and abuse of children, and struck off the medical register.

    Twenty years on, Wakefield has remade himself in the US, where he lives in Texas, and continues to press his debunked claims. He does so despite overwhelming evidence and the publication of more than 18 peer-reviewed papers that found no link.

    The Centres for Disease Control (CDC), the US’s pre-eminent health body, says vaccines are safe and that only a small number of children, such as those known to have a weakened immune system, should not get the MMR jab.

    Wakefield has been linked to several outbreaks of measles in the US, including one in 2018 among the Somali-American population of Minneapolis, to whom he spoke and showed his film Vaxxed, which claims to expose a case of fraud at the CDC.

    Other activists are also using the pandemic as a chance to push their anti-vaccine message. Ty and Charlene Bollinger, from Oregon, have made a series of films in which they claim vaccines are dangerous.

    In episode nine of The Truth About Vaccines, they claim Gates, 64, the former Microsoft CEO and co-founder of the Gates Foundation, is set to gain financially by the discovery of a vaccine. They also suggest the public is being misled about the true death toll from the virus.

    The couple did not immediately respond to enquiries. Wakefield also did not respond to questions. In a 2018 interview he told The Independent: “I was discredited in the eyes of those who wanted to see me discredited. In other words, those who had an interest in maintaining the status quo.”

    Mark Suzman, CEO of the Gates Foundation, said in a statement, he was concerned about “conspiracy theories being spread online and the damage they could cause to public health”.

    “At a time like this, when the world is facing an unprecedented health and economic crisis, it’s distressing that there are people spreading misinformation when we should all be looking for ways to collaborate and save lives,” he said. “Right now, one of the best things we can do to stop the spread of Covid-19 is spread the facts.”

    Washington state has emerged as one of the front lines in the debate about vaccines. Until last year, parents could claim one of three exemptions to demand their child not be given the MMR vaccine and still attend state schools.

    Yet amid an outbreak of measles in Clark County on the southwest border with Oregon, state legislators passed a law stopping a parent citing personal or philosophical reasons for their child to be exempt. Medical exemptions are still permitted.

    State legislator Monica Stonier, one of the sponsors of the bill and whose district includes the Washington state city of Vancouver, which was struck by the measles outbreak, said it was frustrating that people were seeking to undermine efforts to try and combat the pandemic.

    “They talk about health freedom. I don’t have any problems with that except when it undermines the freedom of others,” she said. “People feel the government should not be telling them what they should be doing to stay healthy, and certainly not mandating a vaccine. However, in the absence of herd immunity in a global pandemic, the broader community, which include [people] that have compromised immune systems, its freedoms are highly imposed upon. For some reason that is lost in the conversation.”




    Damn Andrew Wakefield is now named as a leader of the COVID-19 conspiracy theory.

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/5220726002/

    Now 100k Deaths are reported in the USA.

    Coronavirus deaths in the United States have surpassed 100,000, more than any other country in the world, according to the Johns Hopkins University data dashboard.

    The death toll has led to one somber question: What could the country's leaders have done to prevent this from happening?

    While many doctors, scientists and epidemiologists may have their own answers, the truth is that not much was known about COVID-19 when U.S. cases were first recorded in February. The models, studies and data we have now were simply nonexistent three to four months ago, which made it difficult to understand what we were up against.

    When combating a new disease, information is everything. Here are 10 facts we wish we would have known 100 days ago.
    1. The virus was spreading faster than we realized

    SARS-CoV-2 is an extremely transmissible virus, as models and reports from China have made clear.

    Similar to influenza, the coronavirus can be spread from person to person through droplets in the air.

    However, one key difference is that COVID-19 can also "spread through the airborne route," according to Johns Hopkins Medicine. This means tiny droplets remaining in the air could infect someone even after the sick person isn't around, its website said.

    The coronavirus incubation period, the time between infection and the appearance of symptoms, is also longer. Influenza's incubation period is about three days, while the coronavirus is about five days. More research is needed to confirm if it's possible to shed the virus presymptomatically, but a study form China published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature found that patients were more contagious one or two days before symptoms appeared.

    "This damn virus is going to keep going until it infects everybody it possibly can," Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said May 11 during a meeting with the USA TODAY Editorial Board. "It surely won’t slow down until it hits 60 to 70%" of the population, the number that would create herd immunity and halt the spread of the virus.

    Early studies from China have also indicated the R0 (pronounced R-nought), or the number of people one sick person can infect, was as high as 5.7 in late January. It's important to note that R0 is not a constant number.

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    2. The virus can live on surfaces for days, but it's not easily spread that way

    While respiratory droplets continue to be the virus' preferred method of transmission, researchers discovered that it could also live on surfaces for days introducing another possibility for infection.

    A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine in March found that the coronavirus could be detected up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has always warned that "it may be possible" to become infected with the coronavirus by touching contaminated surfaces or objects.

    It just "does not spread easily" in that manner, the agency now says.

    "COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning about how it spreads," says the CDC's recently updated guidelines. "It may be possible for COVID-19 to spread in other ways, but these are not thought to be the main ways the virus spreads."

    Although the likelihood of infection is minimal, the NEJM study increased hand hygiene awareness and underscored the importance of not touching your eyes, nose and mouth.

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    3. Pets can test positive, too

    As coronavirus cases climbed, another COVID-19-related concern came to light: What about my pets? Although animal transmission is still unclear, officials have reported a few cases.

    The most famous case was reported out of the Bronx Zoo. Nadia, a 4-year-old Malayan tiger, was tested after her sister Azul, two Amur tigers and three African lions developed a dry cough. Officials believed the animals became sick after being exposed to a zoo employee who was "actively shedding virus."

    A few weeks later, a pug from North Carolina tested positive for COVID-19, possibly the first dog in the United States to be diagnosed with the virus. The family said their pet, Winston, didn't display any severe symptoms, but he was coughing a lot and didn't eat his breakfast one morning.

    Both Nadia and Winston have since recovered.

    While a study published May 13 found that cats can get infected by the coronavirus and transmit it to other cats, most veterinarians say there isn't too much for owners to worry about when it comes to the family pet and the coronavirus.

    Jessica Romine, DVM specialist in small animal internal medicine at Specialty and Emergency Pet Hospital in Southfield, Michigan, said the risk of any pet having a severe case of the coronavirus, the way humans are experiencing, is low.

    "There seems to be no evidence that pets can be giving it to people, so they shouldn't be a risk for them licking us or getting it from them," she said. "If anything, it would be the other way around, that a sick person could give it to their own cat or dog potentially."
    4. People can shed the virus without any symptoms

    Another late discovery was the possibility of transmission via asymptomatic patients, or people who are infected with the virus but don't exhibit any symptoms.

    Mass testing at a state prison in Goldsboro, North Carolina, found that more than 90% of the newly diagnosed inmates displayed no symptoms, meaning the deadly virus could have remained hidden had the state followed federal guidelines that largely reserve testing for people displaying common symptoms.

    “We would never have known,” North Carolina Department of Public Safety spokesman John Bull said.

    According to officials at Marion Correctional Institution in Ohio, 152 prisoners were tested in one dormitory and 39% tested positive for COVID-19 even though they displayed no symptoms.

    Experts quickly realized scanning, testing and public regulations needed to be changed to accommodate the possibility that people can transmit the virus without having any common symptoms.
    5. Wearing masks: CDC said no, then yes

    This led to changing mask recommendations.

    For months, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention urged the mass public not to wear a mask unless they were sick or caring for a COVID-19 patient, citing concerns about supply and effectiveness.

    They reversed that guidance in early April. Now, the CDC recommends people wear homemade or cloth masks in public.

    "With increasing evidence for asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission of COVID-19, the argument for wearing a face covering is becoming more compelling," said Dr. Robert Glatter, emergency physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.

    Officials recommend wearing masks in public settings where social distancing measures are difficult to maintain, such as grocery stores and pharmacies. Many cities and states require masks in public, including New York, New Jersey and Los Angeles.

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    https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-619/

    If you want the update on COVID-19 listen to microbe tv's "This Week In Virology", Immune and this week in evolution

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    https://abc7.com/health/when-will-we...cases/6217478/

    SAN FRANCISCO -- Health officials have long been warning of a second wave of coronavirus cases to come sometime in the fall, but a global spike may come even sooner.

    While new infections may be on the decline in Europe, Asia and North America, the World Health Organization's Dr. Mike Ryan warned that trend may change with loosened restrictions.

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    Ryan predicted we may see a "second peak" even before the expected second wave in the fall.

    "We need also to be cognizant of the fact that the disease can jump up at any time. We cannot make assumptions that just because the disease is on the way down now, it is going to keep going down," he said. "We may get a second peak in this (first) wave."

    He advised leaders to "continue to put in place the public health and social measures, the surveillance measures, the testing measures and a comprehensive strategy to ensure that we continue on a downwards trajectory and we don't have an immediate second peak," as reported by Reuters.

    In addition to a potential more imminent peak, epidemiologists also believe we'll see a wave of new COVID-19 infections in the fall and winter, as is typical with other strains of coronavirus.

    Marc Lipsitch, a Harvard epidemiology professor, said in an interview with the American Medical Association he expects warm, summer weather to contribute to a decline in coronavirus transmission, but only by about 20%.

    "That's only enough to slow it down, but not enough to stop it," said Lipsitch. "We will have a harder time controlling coronavirus in the fall ... and we will all be very tired of social distancing and other tactics. The hard thing will be to keep enough of it to protect our ICUs and keep the number of cases from flaring up."

    In California, Gov. Gavin Newsom has emphasized the state is prepared to return to stricter stay-at-home measures if the rate of COVID-19 transmission increases.

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    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-...d-19-quackery/

    A partial list of COVID-19, SARS-COV-2 quackery that has come out since the pandemic has started.

    The COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic is the most significant public health event of a generation. Its worldwide spread has totally disrupted our old (early 2020) way of life. At time of writing there are 5.5 million confirmed cases and 350,000 deaths, across 217 countries. A vaccine, if an effective one is ever developed, is many months (more likely years) away. This is the most frightening event many people may ever have experienced. While we now understand a lot about the structure of virus itself, there are many aspects of COVID infections that remain unclear, including transmission and treatment. Uncertainty is frightening, but that is what we are dealing with. Different countries are taking different approaches. It is not surprising that in the absence of robust science and consistent public health advice, COVID pseudoscience has exploded.

    Quackery, or health fraud, is a health practice that is ignorant or fraudulent. It can include a diagnosis, a test, or a treatment. A quack is someone that promotes these types of therapies. However, just because something is unproven does not make it quackery. An absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence. Plausibility matters. The contributors to this blog are Bayesians which in short means that our assessment of “new” data, evidence, or claims is informed by the existing evidence; this includes, in the case of medicine, our understanding of basic science. In evaluating a medical claim, we ask, “Is this plausible, based on what we already know?” It is no different in a pandemic with a novel virus. In the case of COVID, while much is unknown about the infection, there is also a tremendous amount that is known – including human biochemistry, physiology, coronaviruses (in general), and how virus-based infections are transmitted or can be prevented.

    Plausible therapies that are unproven may not be quackery. They could be considered experimental until better evidence emerges. However, many therapies that are currently being promoted for COVID-19 are clearly quackery. Unbound by evidence and driven by a combination of ignorance, hyperbole and usually grift, the number of products and interventions touted as useful to prevent or treat COVID infections continues to grow. Here is a list of what I’ve encountered so far, and a bit about each one where there is some information to share. If I missed anything, please leave it in the comments, and I’ll do a follow-up or add to this list over time.
    Hydroxychloroquine

    If you asked me in March, I wouldn’t have put this on the list. Hydroxychloroquine started out as perhaps weakly plausible based on poor, but promising, evidence. But as more and more evidence has emerged, it is now difficult to accept that there is any “there” there. Not only is there no evidence of benefit, there is now increasingly convincing evidence of harm. If this therapy was simply abandoned given it is ineffective, it wouldn’t be quackery. While some clinical trials are being shut down, it continues to be prescribed and promoted despite the lack of any convincing evidence it can prevent or treat COVID infections. That’s why it’s becoming quackery. David Gorski has more in posts here and here.
    Bear bile and other forms of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM)

    Despite the Chinese government’s endorsement and promotion of bear bile injections and other forms of TCM, there is no credible evidence that it is effective. Bear bile extraction is exceptionally cruel, as Jann Bellamy documents, and there is no proven role for TCM in COVID. The tactics on display by the Chinese government are part of an ambitious strategy by the Chinese government to build the reputation of TCM as equal to “Western” medicine. Yes there are papers in the scientific literature that tout TCM. Regrettably, one of the biggest enablers and promoters of TCM outside China is the World Health Organization.
    Bleach (when ingested)

    I’ll set aside the more obvious warning about injecting disinfectant to mention a more pernicious quackery that has been around for some time. Chlorine dioxide is an industrial bleach product that has been promoted for years as a medical product. Branded as “Miracle Mineral Solution” or “MMS“, this blog has covered this quackery extensively. It is now being promoted as a COVID treatment by conspiracy theorists and grifters. The FDA has issued warning letters to vendors.
    Colloidal silver

    Colloidal silver has been covered previously at Science-Based Medicine. Silver is used medicinally in some drug products and devices, but when consumed will not have any beneficial antiviral properties. It can, however, turn you blue.
    Chaga mushroom blends

    I had a delicious tea today. It contained chaga mushrooms. I bought it for an alternative to all the coffee I’ve been drinking, and didn’t realize it’s also touted as some sort of anti-viral. Even for a fungi, chaga doesn’t look that attractive, and I gather it has a long history of unwarranted fame as some sort of health panacea (spoiler alert: probably not). While some manufacturers claim chaga will help with your immunity, there is no credible evidence to substantiate these claims.
    Oil of oregano

    Oil of oregano has been a perennial quack remedy for more than a decade. It is perhaps not surprising that it’s being positioned as an antiviral. Which I supposed it could be, if you dripped the oil directly on a virus. I get emails regularly touting how oil of oregano is effective, based on in vitro (petri dish) studies. But by that argument, drinking margaritas should be an effective COVID strategy, because alcohol-based hand sanitizers are indeed antiviral, when used properly. Doses matter. The delivery method matters. By consuming it, we dilute it, and it’s not going to have any meaningful effects. Save your oregano for your pizza.
    Homeopathy

    Homeopathy is the air guitar of medicine – it looks like a drug, but it’s usually just pure water (sometimes sprayed on little balls of sugar). Not surprisingly, it hasn’t been shown to be effective for any medical condition, except perhaps thirst. Despite its German origins, homeopathy is big in Cuba. Edzard Ernst noted that homeopathy is being given in Cuban eldercare facilities, apparently to protect against COVID infection.
    Aquarium water (drinking it)

    Despite a CBC story that cautions against it, I couldn’t find any other endorsements of this admittedly bizarre strategy. It may be referring to the consumption of the drug chloroquine which is sold for the treatment of various fish infections. Consumption can be fatal. Chloroquine is not the same as hydroxychloroquine, but both seem ineffective at treating COVID infections. See also the tonic water, below.
    Zinc

    Zinc has been touted as a cold remedy for decades, but the evidence supporting these claims is mixed. If it does work, the effectiveness is modest and side effects are common. A chiropractor made a video touting tonic water (see the next item) and zinc which apparently garnered 21 million views. There is no credible evidence to support the claim that zinc has any role in preventing or treating COVID infections.
    Tonic water

    This may be based on confusion between chloroquine (no evidence for COVID) and quinine, a completely distinct drug. Both have roots as anti-malarial medications but your more common exposure to quinine is the tiny amount added to tonic water. Interestingly, tonic water used to be medicinal, but there is no reason to expect that today’s tonic water will have any health benefits, unless you derive medicinal benefits from its combination with gin.
    Chiropractic adjustments

    Jann Bellamy covered this in a prior post. In some jurisdictions, regulators have taken action against chiropractors who are making claims about the effectiveness of chiropractic adjustments for preventing COVID infections. You can’t “boost” your immune system with chiropractic, or any other physical intervention, for that matter.
    Elderberry

    Harriet Hall blogged about this at the end of December 2019 (how long ago that feels now) and she felt the evidence for elderberry product was promising, but that more research was required. Like a lot of natural-based products, the active ingredient (if there is one) hasn’t been identified, and the products may not be free of side-effects. While some cold viruses are coronaviruses, there is no research that examines elderberry and COVID.
    Juice fasting

    Juice can be delicious but existing solely on juice sounds like some form of punishment. Depriving your body of a balanced diet isn’t a good idea even when there isn’t a pandemic. Why put your body at risk through dietary deficiencies?
    Methanol

    Drinking methanol is a bad idea for any reason. Methanol is not ethanol. This quackery has killed over 700 Iranians so far. If it doesn’t kill you, it may leave you blind.

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    Jon Yewdell returns to explain studies on detection of antibodies and T cell epitopes in patients who have recovered from COVID-19.

    Twiv does an update on COVID-19.

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    A Democratic state lawmaker in Pennsylvania released a profanity-laced video Wednesday accusing several Republican colleagues of covering up their COVID-19 status, potentially putting others at risk. He called for those GOP legislators to be investigated and prosecuted by the state attorney general.


    State Representative Brian Sims claims Democrats weren't told that a Republican lawmaker they served with tested positive and that four others had self-quarantined after being exposed.

    "Holy s****. Holy s****, exposing all of us up here to this crap," Sims said in a 12-minute video he posted on his Facebook page. "While covering up what was going on, while simultaneously telling people, telling families that it was safe to be outside, that it was safe to be interacting with other people, while you were testing positive, while you were quarantining the people around you, while you were doing contact tracing."

    Sims, who represents a district in Philadelphia, said that some of the GOP lawmakers who hid their exposure to the virus are the same ones pushing for Pennsylvania's economy to reopen and insisting it's safe for the public.

    "I never ever, ever knew that the Republican leadership of this state would put so many of us at risk for partisanship to cover up a lie," he said. "And that lie is that we're all safe from COVID."

    Sims disclosed that he had donated a kidney earlier this year, which could leave him more susceptible to coronavirus complications.

    "I didn't donate my kidney to save somebody's life so that I could die at the hands of Republicans who are being callous liars," he said.

    In the video, Sims said Democrats learned that at least one Republican had tested positive for coronavirus but kept coming to the state capitol for at least a week afterward.
    Republican state Representative Andrew Lewis announced Wednesday that he had tested positive for coronavirus earlier this month, but said he had stopped coming to the capitol a week before, CBS Philly reports. He said he "only interacted with a couple of people" and he did not reveal his diagnosis earlier because he wanted to "protect their privacy."

    Lewis told CBS Harrisburg affiliate WHP he had a "very light" case of the virus, and that his experience supports the calls from Republicans for reopening workplaces during the pandemic.

    "If anything, my experiences have shown that this is something that is doable — to get back to work," Lewis said.

    He added that he informed human resources about his diagnosis before alerting the public.

    Sims also singled out Republican state Representative Russ Diamond, whom he said had been quarantining for weeks even as he led the push for reopening the state.

    Diamond responded on Twitter: "Lefties whine because I self-quarantined but didn't get tested after possible COVID 'contact.' Confirmed by my doc: No reason for testing, even if I could get tested without symptoms."

    Sims said the Republican House leader should resign and there should be a "full-blown" investigation by Attorney General Josh Shapiro. Another Democrat, state Representative Kevin Boyle, sent a letter to Shapiro asking him to investigate House GOP leadership and "any other potentially infected House Republican members who failed to duly notify Members and staff."

    The state's attorney general has not announced an investigation.

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