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    Election 2020-get your popcorn ready!

    As much as I don't want to start this thread, it's already ramped up. Post all your election 2020 crap here!

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    Trump 2020. Keep the cash flowin'....its been a great 3 years.....almost like the Clinton years in the 90's. Cash flow for all! Trump 2020.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ue-ncna1000501

    By Jessica Levinson, professor at Loyola Law School
    Playing dirty has long been a popular strategy in politics, including digging up dirt on your opponents. If the person you are running against is losing, you are winning. But in the era of #MeToo, a disturbing tactic may be getting more common: sexual assault smear campaigns. The latest example of this gross maneuver is the apparent attempt to gin up false sexual assault accusations against Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg. The allegations, which have since been retracted, were apparently orchestrated by the same conservative activists who claimed to have information about allegations against special counsel Robert Mueller.

    The allegations against Mueller, like the ones against Buttigieg, quickly fell apart. But in the zero-sum game of politics, the truth doesn’t always matter. Putting aside the patent immorality of such tactics, is there anything Buttigieg can do legally in this situation? It’s an interesting question.

    Putting aside the patent immorality of such tactics, is there anything Buttigieg can do legally in this situation?

    Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, knows the stakes. One of the best ways to try to destroy opponents is to lodge or surface allegations of sexual misconduct against them. This misconduct can range from unwanted advances (inappropriate but not criminal) to sexual assault (criminal). Just ask former Sen. Al Franken, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, former Arizona Congressman Trent Franks or former Congressman John Conyers — to name just a few.

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    The caveat here, of course, is that these often politically fatal allegations have not seriously harmed our current president. President Donald Trump has been caught on tape all but admitting to sexual assault, has been accused by almost two dozen women of sexual misconduct, and it appears to have done little to hurt his popularity, at least with his base.

    While the conventional rules of politics do not apply to Trump, they are more likely to apply to his opponents. At least that is what the son of one of Trump’s campaign surrogates, David Wohl, appears to believe. Wohl’s son, Jacob Wohl, helped surface the accusations against Buttigieg alongside conservative lobbyist Jack Burman. Never mind that these accusations now appear to be fabricated.

    Wohl and Burkman’s attempts to smear Buttigieg have been ineffective largely because of ineptitude. But the next person attempting to spread false accusations of sexual misconduct against a politician may not be quite so bumbling.

    So what can Buttigieg, or any other candidate subject to false accusations of sexual misconduct, do in this scenario from a legal perspective?

    The short answer is not much. If Buttigieg can demonstrate that Wohl and Burkman spread lies about him, in this case by posting the lies on a social media, he may be able to sue for libel, a form of defamation.

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    Anyone but Trump 2020
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    I thought the exact same thing. Poor Brennen Tammons.
    Oh well, back to gum.
    ....or exchanging Puke's wang for spicy nuts.
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    I know, right? What the fuck, puke? Willing to take in Boston, an Irish dude and like, 17 dogs but not Ron? poor Ron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    Anyone but Trump 2020
    Monty Brewster 2020

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/willia...ost-a-photo-op

    Prince Harry and his brother Prince William have successfully denied Donald Trump the opportunity of appearing in a photo with either of them or their glamorous and popular wives during his state visit to the U.K., which would have been invaluable PR for his 2020 re-election campaign, after the president used the word “nasty” while discussing Harry’s wife, Meghan Markle.

    Trump subsequently attempted to deny having said Meghan herself was “nasty,” despite being clearly heard using the word on a recording, suggesting instead that he was describing what she said about moving to Canada if he got elected as a “nasty” comment.

    Prince Harry is thought to have been angered by the undiplomatic remarks, made to a reporter from The Sun newspaper, and although he did not pull out of a scheduled private luncheon with Trump and his family on Monday, he had a face like thunder when he was pictured shortly afterward processing into a specially curated exhibition of American artifacts from the Royal Collection.

    Prince Harry is like “Nuh uh gonna keep my distance from thr creep who said my wife is nasty and that he could have nailed my mother.” pic.twitter.com/VhgCLQB6mP
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    Harry appeared to be escorting Trump’s daughter Ivanka; however, when the prince appeared to realize the walkthrough of the exhibit was being filmed, he quickly ducked out of the event.

    Trump, however, has been left unable to complain and demand a photo call with Harry or William, because he has been given several moments with the queen and Prince Charles, who significantly outrank Harry, who is sixth in line to the throne, and therefore not obligated to take part in state occasions.

    Trump’s cold-shouldering by William and Kate is arguably a more provocative move on the part of the young royals.

    As second in line to the throne, it could be argued that William and his wife do have a responsibility to greet Trump one-on-one in front of the cameras, but so far they have studiously avoided doing so.

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    Both of them are better looking than Melania. Melania looks like an alien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S281Saleen160 View Post
    Both of them are better looking than Melania. Melania looks like an alien.
    That is totally what I base my votes on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumaki15 View Post
    That is totally what I base my votes on...
    LoL

    I'll be voting for Trump again based on how my bank acct and portfolio look! Its good times, surplus cash for everyone. It feels like the mid-90's when Clinton was running shit.

    Trump 2020!!!!!!!!

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.445260b8f0a8

    . Jack Burkman and Jacob Wohl — a pair of boundlessly eager, profoundly unrepentant aspirants to the dankest depths of political chicanery — were watching television together the other day when something caught Burkman’s eye.

    There on the screen was Don McGahn, President Trump’s former White House counsel.

    It was at that very moment when Burkman remembered that McGahn had connected the unlikely duo — Burkman, the 53-year-old Washington lobbyist, and Wohl, a 21-year-old Californian trailed by investment scandals.

    Yes, it was McGahn, they agreed, who had put them together a year ago by sharing Wohl’s cellphone number with Burkman. That was before their spree of bungled smears — including a disappearing sexual assault accuser against special counsel Robert Mueller (announced at a news conference that Burkman conducted with his pants zipper down) and a botched attempt last month to paint Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg as a sexual predator.


    Alas, Burkman’s juicy origin story about the formation of their partnership didn’t check out. That tends to happen a lot in their world.

    McGahn said through his attorney that he doesn’t know Wohl or Burkman.

    As it turns out, the truth or falsity of a Burkman-Wohl-concocted story is merely an inconvenience. Let the media’s “puritanical” fact-checkers puzzle it out: That’s the view of this twosome who fancy themselves as sub rosa players in the 2020 presidential contest and busy themselves trafficking in Internet rumors they hope will damage Democratic candidates.

    Like notorious dirty tricksters before them, they operate in a realm where it matters little whether their claims are proved — they hardly ever are — but only whether they somehow slip into a corpuscle or two of the national bloodstream. But today it’s a more dangerous game: They operate in an era when notions about truth and fiction have been upended and in which many Americans get their information from self-affirming, partisan silos, making their brand of political cyberwarfare hyper-relevant.


    Though he wasn’t involved, Wohl speaks admiringly of the fringe effort to undermine Sen. Ted Cruz’s 2016 presidential campaign with loopy claims that the Texas Republican’s father was involved in President John F. Kennedy’s assassination.

    “That was good stuff,” Wohl says. “That was brilliant.”

    [Donald Trump associates Ted Cruz’s father with JFK’s assassin]

    McGahn’s reaction to Wohl and Burkman claiming an association with him was similar to that of former House speaker Paul Ryan, whom Burkman had described over a recent lunch as his “best friend in Congress.” Ryan’s spokesman said simply, “That is not true.”

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland, whom Burkman had called his “only Democratic friend” in Congress, said through a spokeswoman that he doesn’t know Burkman, either.

    Burkman had also claimed to keep in touch with Kellyanne Conway, one of Trump’s most visible White House counselors. Via text, Conway said: “I’ve not seen or talked to him in years. Maybe 10-15-20 years??? We were in TV green rooms during Clinton impeachment. Be careful with that one!”


    And then there is Donald Trump Jr., the president’s son. Wohl claimed to be in contact with him.

    “Don wouldn’t be able to pick this guy out of a lineup if his life depended on it,” Trump Jr.’s spokesman said.

    Burkman’s role in the tag team is a bit convoluted — while claiming he seeks to hurt Trump’s Democratic opponents, he has also hinted that he might mount a primary challenge against Trump over his dissatisfaction with the president’s progress on building a border wall. During the 2016 campaign, Burkman took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Daily News condemning Trump, then later scheduled a fundraiser for the likely GOP nominee, even though campaign staffers said they didn’t know him.

    Burkman eventually canceled the event after receiving a stern letter of disapproval from none other than McGahn.


    Wohl, on the other hand, has appointed himself as an unaffiliated booster of Trump’s reelection effort. He talks of “amplifying” a speck of information here and there that would be helpful to the president’s campaign.

    “That detail could be true,” he says. “Or false.”

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    Biden says if he's elected president he'll cure cancer! lmfaooooooo. Go Joe, GO! Only you can cure cancer Joe, only you....and only if you're president.

    No election win, no cure!

    BIDEN 2020!!!!!!!

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    https://abc7.com/politics/white-hous...-down/5345463/

    WASHINGTON D.C. -- White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, whose tenure was marked by a breakdown in regular press briefings and questions about the administration's credibility, as well as her own, will leave her post at the end of the month, President Donald Trump announced Thursday.

    Sanders is one of Trump's closest and most trusted White House aides and one of the few remaining on staff who worked on his campaign.


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    After 3 1/2 years, our wonderful Sarah Huckabee Sanders will be leaving the White House at the end of the month and going home to the Great State of Arkansas....

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    "After 3 1/2 years, our wonderful Sarah Huckabee Sanders will be leaving the White House at the end of the month and going home to the Great State of Arkansas," Trump tweeted just before she accompanied him to a White House event on prison reform.

    Trump suggesting her as a future candidate for Arkansas governor. "She would be fantastic."

    Under Sanders' tenure, regular White House press briefings became a relic of the past. She has not held a formal briefing since March 11. Reporters often catch her on the White House driveway after she is interviewed by Fox News Channel and other TV news outlets.

    Her credibility has also come under question.

    Special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia report revealed that Sanders admitted to investigators that she had made an unfounded claim about "countless" FBI agents reaching out to express support for Trump's decision to fire FBI Director James Comey in May 2017.

    Sanders succeeded Sean Spicer, Trump's first press secretary, in mid-2017.

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jessica...oversial-bill/

    Although Initially reported on the Measles outbreak thread this incident is only 1 sample that the vaccine debates will escalate in the 2020 elections

    Some members of the California Senate welcomed Jessica Biel on Wednesday to discuss a controversial bill that would tighten medical exemptions for vaccinations. Biel joined anti-vaccine advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. who lobbied against the bill.


    Kennedy posted several photos of the actress on Instagram, writing: "Please say thank you to the courageous @jessicabiel for a busy and productive day at the California State House."


    The bill in question, SB 276, would require California's State Department of Public Health to develop a more streamlined medical exemption document for vaccinations. Currently, parents in the state who do not want to get their children vaccinated can submit a written statement by a licensed physician explaining why the immunization is not safe for their child.

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    The bill, introduced by State Senator Richard Pan, proposes that by 2021, licensed physicians and surgeons statewide must use a standardized medical exemption request form, and that this form becomes the only one accepted by the state government.

    In an Instagram post on Thursday, Biel explained why she personally opposes the bill. "I am not against vaccinations — I support children getting vaccinations and I also support families having the right to make educated medical decisions for their children alongside their physicians," she wrote.


    Biel said her concern with SB 276 is in regards to medical exemptions. "My dearest friends have a child with a medical condition that warrants an exemption from vaccinations, and should this bill pass, it would greatly affect their family's ability to care for their child in this state," she wrote, explaining this is why she spoke to legislators to argue against the bill.

    Her fellow lobbyist, Kennedy, has argued that vaccines, specifically those containing the element thimerosal, may cause autism, a view unsupported by scientific evidence and dismissed as a conspiracy theory by experts.

    Pan, who is a pediatrician as well as a state legislator, pushed back against Biel on Twitter. "Promoting misinformation that discourages vaccination defines being an anti-vaxxer," Pan wrote. In another tweet, he pleaded, "Will the 1% please stop trying to spread preventable diseases to the 99%?"

    Promoting misinformation that discourages vaccination defines being an anti-vaxxer. #VaccinesWork #FakeMEsHurtKids #ivax2protect @Vaxyourfam @AmerAcadPeds @AmerMedicalAssn @PublicHealth @CMAdocs @VaccinateCal https://t.co/tWNLfjNu53

    — Dr. Richard Pan (@DrPanMD) June 13, 2019
    Public health officials say misinformation about vaccines and parents opting out of vaccinating their kids for non-medical reasons are enabling the resurgence of measles, which was previously considered eliminated in the United States. The U.S. is currently experiencing the biggest measles outbreak in more than 25 years, with over 1,000 cases confirmed in 28 states, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


    Kennedy, the son of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy, has argued that external factors, such as vaccines, were causing not only autism, but autoimmune illnesses, allergies and other conditions in children.


    While it has been proven that vaccinations do not cause autism, many so-called "anti-vaxxers" are against immunizations, believing these false claims. Other anti-vaxxers argue they have religious objections to vaccines.

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    It is unclear what Biel said while lobbying with Kennedy at California's capital on Wednesday. In 2015, it was rumored that the actress, who has one son with singer Justin Timberlake, was not planning on vaccinating her child. However, Biel has not explicitly called herself an "anti-vaxxer."

    Along with Kennedy, Republican Assemblyman Tom Lackey and State Senator Brian Jones also posted photos with Biel during her time at the capital. In a tweet, Jones welcomed both Biel and Kennedy, thanking them "for taking the time to chat about your opposition to #SB276." He also included the hashtag #NoOnSB276.

    CBS News reached out to representatives for Biel and Kennedy and is awaiting response.

    Welcome to #caleg, @RobertKennedyJr and @JessicaBiel! Thank you for taking the time to chat about your opposition to #SB276. #caleg #NoOnSB276 pic.twitter.com/AkkWRbPSJk

    — Brian W. Jones (@SenBrianJones) June 12, 2019
    First published on June 13, 2019 / 11:12 AM

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    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...a-biel-847779/

    Jessica Biel is many things: actor, mom, wife to Justin Timberlake, consummate ab-shower, purveyor of the theory that being hotter than Scarlett Johansson and Natalie Portman has ruined her career. This week, however, the world became aware of another credential on Biel’s resume: anti-vaccine activist.

    In an Instagram post, prominent anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. revealed that he had met with Biel at the California State Assembly to lobby against SB 276, a California bill that aims to limit medical exemptions for vaccines unless parents have the approval of a state public health officer. In response to the uproar, Biel denied being opposed to vaccination, writing in an Instagram post, “I am not against vaccinations — I support children getting vaccinations and I also support families having the right to make educated medical decisions for their children alongside their physicians.”

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    But in a post on Jezebel, a legislative staffer in the California State Capitol who allegedly was present at the meeting between Biel and Kennedy said that Biel had said she did not adhere to a regular vaccine schedule for her child, due to her belief that vaccination was linked to a friend’s child’s illness, and that she had admitted to trying to find a doctor who would agree to delaying vaccines for her child. (This practice, “doctor shopping,” is something that SB 276 is in large part attempting to curb.)





    In truth, Biel’s argument for families “having the right to make educated medical decisions for their children” is common among those skeptical of vaccines. (Many do not self-identify as anti-vaxxers, considering the term something of a slur, instead preferring to use such euphemistic terms such as “vaccine risk-aware.”)

    In response to such arguments, however, most public health experts cite the enormous body of research suggesting that mandatory vaccination is critical to maintaining herd immunity and preventing vulnerable members of the population from becoming sick with preventable child illnesses. Indeed, in the wake of the controversy over Biel’s post, many argued that it was dangerous for prominent celebrities to adopt such positions, particularly in light of the measles outbreaks happening across the country due to declining vaccination rates.

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    In light of Biel’s fall from (let’s be honest, semi) A-list grace, here’s a compendium of celebrities who have publicly endorsed similarly vaccine-critical views. While few of these individuals identify as anti-vaccine, they have either come out as not having vaccinated their children, are critical of mandatory vaccination or have endorsed such views, or have made dangerous and unproven claims about vaccines in general.


    Kristin Cavallari: The reality TV star appeared on Fox News in 2014 and said that she had not vaccinated her son Camden. “Listen, to each their own,” she said. “I understand both sides of it. I’ve ready too many books about autism and there’s some scary statistics out there. It’s our personal choice.”

    Alicia Silverstone: In her 2014 book, The Kind Mama: A Simple Guide to Supercharged Fertility, a Radiant Pregnancy, a Sweeter Birth, and a Healthier, More Beautiful Beginning, the Clueless actress (who has previously suggested that tampons cause infertility and that veganism can reduce the risk of miscarriage) was highly critical of vaccination, saying “there has not been a conclusive study of the negative effects of such a rigorous one-size-fits-all, shoot-’em-up schedule.” (The Centers for Disease Control would disagree, saying numerous peer-reviewed studies have pointed to the efficacy and relative safety of vaccines.) “There is increasing anecdotal evidence from doctors who have gotten distressed phone calls from parents claiming their child was “never the same” after receiving a vaccine. And I personally have friends whose babies were drastically affected in this way,” she wrote.

    Jenny McCarthy: Possibly the most highly visible anti-vaxxer in Hollywood, McCarthy has a son who was diagnosed with autism when he was two-and-a-half and has been a vocal advocate for her belief that his diagnosis is attributable to the MMR vaccine. Like many others, she has disputed the label “anti-vaccine,” telling PBS Frontline, “We’re not an anti-vaccine movement. We’re pro-safe-vaccine schedule.”

    Jim Carrey: Carrey, who dated McCarthy from 2005 to 2010, has also publicly come out against mandatory vaccination, writing in the Huffington Post in 2009: “In this growing crisis, we cannot afford to blindly trumpet the agenda of the CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) or vaccine makers. Now more than ever, we must resist the urge to close this book before it’s been written.” He has also blasted Gov. Jerry Brown, calling him a “fascist” in 2015 for signing a law mandating vaccines for all school-aged children regardless of their parents religious’ beliefs.


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    Bill Maher : The famously contrarian standup comedian and TV host (who has also endorsed prominent figures in the AIDS denialism movement) is, unsurprisingly, similarly skeptical about mandatory vaccination. He tweeted in opposition to the swine flu shot at the peak of the epidemic in 2009, has featured prominent vaccine critic RFK Jr. on his show, and railed against mandated vaccination in an interview with former Sen. (and physician) Bill Frist, saying, “Why would you let [the government] be the ones to stick a disease into your arm? I would never get a swine flu vaccine, or any vaccine. I don’t trust the government, especially with my health.”

    In an interview with the Winnipeg Sun in 2009, Maher clarified his stance on vaccines — kind of. “I’m not a germ theory denier. I believe vaccinations can work. Polio is a good example. Do I think in certain situations that inoculating Third World children against malaria or diphtheria, or whatever, is right? Of course. In a situation like that, the benefits outweigh costs. But to me living in Los Angeles? To get a flu shot? No.”

    Rob Schneider: The former SNL and Deuce Bigalow star has made numerous public statements lobbying against mandatory vaccination. In 2012, he cited the widely debunked belief that vaccines are linked to autism in his opposition to a California bill requiring parents get a signature from a physician to opt out of their child receiving vaccinations. “The parents have to be the ones who make the decisions for what’s best for our kids,” he told a local news station at the time. “It can’t be the government saying that.” Schneider’s views on vaccines are so widely known that in 2018, State Farm pulled an ad featuring Schneider in response to uproar from pro-science groups.

    Lisa Bonet: Perhaps one of the few celebrities to speak out against mandatory vaccination, the former Cosby Show star and mom to Zoe Kravitz told The Donahue Show host Phil Donahue in 1990 that vaccines could potentially “introduce alien microorganisms into our children’s blood,” with such terrifying (and completely unconfirmed) potential long-term effects as “cancer, leukemia, multiple sclerosis, sudden infant death syndrome.” (For what it’s worth, her former husband Lenny Kravitz doesn’t seem to share these views, partnering with UNICEF in 2013 to call for vaccination to bring an end to preventable child deaths.)

    Toni Braxton: The “Unbreak My Heart” singer wrote in her 2014 memoir that her son Diezel receiving the MMR vaccine may have contributed to his developing autism. “Maybe it’s just a coincidence that after my son’s first MMR vaccine, I began to notice changes in him,” she wrote. (Her book also claimed that his autism was God’s punishment for her having previously gotten an abortion.)

    Selma Blair: In 2015, the Cruel Intentions star lobbied against SB277, the California bill to remove personal belief exemptions. On Twitter, she said that while she had vaccinated her own child, “parental choice is our right. Most vaccinate. Let us choose.”



    Jenna Elfman: The actress, best known for the 1990s sitcom Dharma and Greg, was also a vocal opponent of SB277. “I’m not anti-vax,” she wrote on Twitter in 2015. “Parents should vaccinate their children as much as they wish to in accordance with current law. It’s THEIR RIGHT.”

    It is perhaps worth noting that much like Juliette Lewis and That 70s Show Danny Masterson, who also came out against the 2015 bill, Elfman is a Scientologist. (The Church of Scientology does not have a public stance on vaccines; earlier this spring, however, a Scientologist cruise ship was put under quarantine in the island of Cura?ao due to a confirmed measles case onboard.)


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    Charlie Sheen: Well, this one’s not super surprising: the famously mercurial (get it? because vaccines?) actor reportedly got in an altercation in 2008 with his ex-wife Denise Richards over giving their daughters, Sam and Lola, their childhood immunizations. Sheen was apparently so opposed to his children receiving the shots that Sheen’s attorney had to get involved.

    Mayim Bialik: The Big Bang Theory star and natural parenting advocate has a complicated relationship with vaccines. While she has previously said her family is a “non-vaccinating” one and plugged books by anti-vaccine activist Dr. Bob Sears, among others, she appeared to walk back on her stance on vaccines in 2015, tweeting, “I’m not anti. My kids are vaccinated. So much anger and hysteria. I hope this clears things up.” She then followed up with a post that appeared to advocate more explicitly for vaccine “freedom,” writing, “Do your research. Do what’s right for you.”


    Robert DeNiro: This one’s a heartbreaker: in 2017, the legendary actor (who has also publicly questioned whether vaccines are linked to autism and promoted the anti-vaccine film Vaxxed) partnered with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in a press conference for the World Mercury Project (now the Children’s Health Defense), a nonprofit organization known for its anti-vaccine stance. During the press conference, Kennedy offered journalists a $100,000 reward if they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that levels of thimerosal, a mercury-based, naturally occurring element used as a preservative in vaccines, are safe. According to the Centers for Disease Control, “data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines.”


    Kat Von D: In 2018, Von D announced in an Instagram post that she did not plan on vaccinating her first child; her husband, musician Leafar Sayer, also posted links to two anti-vaccine films, Vaxxed and Trace Amounts, on Instagram. She later (again, kind of) clarified her stance: “I am not an anti-vaxxer,” she said in a YouTube video earlier this year. “What I am is a first-time mother. I am one of those moms that reads everything. Anything that is going in my baby or on my baby, I research like a complete and total nerd. After doing a bunch of research and reading the ingredients, naturally I experienced some hesitancy.” (It’s unclear whether she did end up vaccinating her son, who was born in December.)

    Kevin Gates: In a 2016 interview with Rolling Stone, the rapper said that he believed his children were advanced in school (or “accelerated,” in his terms) largely because they had not been vaccinated.



    Donald Trump: The President of the United States spent a good portion of the 2010s railing against mandatory vaccination and propagating the claim that vaccines are linked to autism. “Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes – AUTISM. Many such cases!,” he famously tweeted in 2014. (There are not.) In light of the measles outbreak last spring, however, Trump appeared to have backtracked, telling CNN, “They [children] have to get the shots. The vaccinations are so important. This is really going around now. They have to get their shots.”
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    The only candidate I really like at this point is Warren, and I honestly don't think she can beat Trump with this country's current frame of mind.

    She could if people would actually go out and vote, buy my confidence in the population actually getting out to the polls is pretty low.

    But I'd vote for a block of cheese over Trump so I'll vote for whoever the Dems put up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    The only candidate I really like at this point is Warren, and I honestly don't think she can beat Trump with this country's current frame of mind.

    She could if people would actually go out and vote, buy my confidence in the population actually getting out to the polls is pretty low.

    But I'd vote for a block of cheese over Trump so I'll vote for whoever the Dems put up.
    What frame of mind is the country currently in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S281Saleen160 View Post
    What frame of mind is the country currently in?
    Don't even bother...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumaki15 View Post
    Don't even bother...
    I'm bothering because I would like to know what frame of mind he thinks the country is in.

    Since you're here, would you mind saying what frame of mind you think the country is in?

    I think it's no different than any other election.......you have the liberals who hate conservatives so they want a liberal in office and you have conservatives who hate liberals so they want their guy. Same shit, different year.

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    I think I’m going to go with Biden.

    "The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin

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    I know I'm voting Trump again.

    $$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by S281Saleen160 View Post
    I'm bothering because I would like to know what frame of mind he thinks the country is in.

    Since you're here, would you mind saying what frame of mind you think the country is in?

    I think it's no different than any other election.......you have the liberals who hate conservatives so they want a liberal in office and you have conservatives who hate liberals so they want their guy. Same shit, different year.
    The amount of vitriol on each side is way higher than any other election I can remember.

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    I know I'm voting Trump again.

    $$$
    That sounds about right. Doesn't shock me at all.

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    I don't vote party lines and have voted across both lines many times. However, if the Dems cannot produce anything other than the obstructionist "Get Trump" platform then I will have to say I'm voting Republican this round. Personally, I don't see a strong candidate in the Dem lineup.

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