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    COVID-19 Novel Coronavirus pandemic

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/24/chin...ronavirus.html

    China said 41 people have now died from a new coronavirus that has infected more than 1,300 people globally, as health authorities around the world scramble to prevent a global pandemic.

    The total number of confirmed cases in China now stands at 1,287, the National Health Commission said in a statement on Saturday.

    The death roll has risen from 26 reported on Friday. All the latest deaths occurred in Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak that has been in virtual quarantine as China scrambles to contain the virus spread.

    The vast majority of the cases and all of the confirmed deaths to date have been in China, but the virus has also been detected in Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Nepal, France and the United States.

    Human-to-human transmission has been observed in the virus, which health authorities believe to have originated in a market in Wuhan that traded illegally in wildlife.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the new coronavirus an ?emergency in China? this week but stopped short of declaring it of international concern. The virus continues to spread globally, however: French authorities reported Europe?s first confirmed cases on Friday evening.

    Wuhan, a city of 11 million and the capital of central Hubei province, is in virtual lockdown. Nearly all flights at Wuhan?s airport have been cancelled and checkpoints block the main roads leading out of town. Authorities have since imposed similar lockdowns on more than 10 cities near Wuhan as part of the ongoing containment effort.

    As Wuhan slides into isolation, pharmacies have begun to run out of supplies and hospitals have been flooded with nervous residents. The city is rushing to build a 1,000-bed hospital by Monday, state media said.

    Hubei?s health authority said on Saturday there were 658 patients affected by the virus in medical care, 57 of whom were critically ill.

    ?It must be confusing and infuriating that on the weekend the government reassured citizens that the virus did not spread between humans and was under control, and then, only four days later, to initiate an unprecedented lockdown of Wuhan and other cities,? said Mary Gallagher, director of the Lieberthal-Rogel Center for Chinese Studies at the University of Michigan.

    The newly-identified coronavirus has created alarm because there are still many unknowns surrounding it, such as how dangerous it is and how easily it spreads between people. It can cause pneumonia, which has been deadly in some cases.

    Symptoms include fever, difficulty breathing and coughing. Most of the fatalities have been in elderly patients, many with pre-existing conditions, the WHO said.

    Airports around the world have stepped up screening of passengers from China, though some health officials and experts have questioned the effectiveness of such screenings and of the lockdown.

    Health officials fear the transmission rate could accelerate as hundreds of millions of Chinese travel at home and abroad during week-long holidays for the Lunar New Year, which began on Saturday.

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday it had 63 patients under investigation, with two confirmed cases, both in people who had traveled to Wuhan.

    Following a congressional briefing by health officials, Republican U.S. Senator John Barrasso, a former physician, said people in the United States with the virus may have been infected up to 14 days ago in China.

    ?We want to try to stop and prevent people from coming to the United States if they have it,? Barrasso told reporters, without providing details of how that might be accomplished.
    ?Sense of urgency?

    Most cases have been in Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have originated in a market that traded illegally in wildlife.

    As China scrambles to contain the outbreak, it has suspended transportation in 10 cities in the central province of Hubei, where Wuhan is located, the Hubei Daily reported.

    The country will take further, more targeted measures, state television reported, citing a State Council meeting on Friday. It did not give further details.

    ?Local authorities should take more responsibility and have a stronger sense of urgency,? state broadcaster CCTV said.

    Week-long celebrations to welcome the Year of the Rat began on Friday, raising fears that the infection rate could accelerate as hundreds of millions of people travel to see family at home and abroad.

    In Wuhan, a handful of people got off a high-speed train that pulled into the city?s station on Friday but nobody boarded.

    ?What choice do I have? It?s Chinese New Year. We have to see our family,? said a man getting off the train who gave his family name Hu.

    As part of the restrictions, some sections of the Great Wall near Beijing will be closed from Saturday, state media said.

    Beijing?s Lama Temple, where people traditionally make offerings for the new year, has closed, as have some other temples and the Forbidden City, the capital?s most famous tourist attraction.

    Shanghai Disneyland will close starting on Saturday. The theme park has a 100,000 daily capacity and sold out during last year?s new year holiday.

    Film premieres have been postponed and McDonald?s suspended business in five cities in Hubei province.

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/26/thir...cials-say.html

    The fifth U.S. case of coronavirus was confirmed on Sunday in Maricopa County, Arizona, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the health agency said during a call with reporters.

    The announcement came after health officials in California announced that two cases had been confirmed earlier in the day in Los Angeles and Orange counties. 

    All five cases involve individuals who were described as recent travelers from Wuhan, China — the epicenter of the disease’s outbreak. The new respiratory illness has so far sickened more than 1,975 people and killed 56, the majority of whom are in Wuhan.

    The CDC said that all five patients remain hospitalized. There are about 100 patients who the CDC is investigating for possibly having the virus, the agency said.

    According to the CDC’s guidance, people who have “casual contact with a case” — for instance, those in the same grocery store or movie theater — “are at minimal risk of developing infection.”

    The CDC said it was currently monitoring individuals who may have come into close contact with the patients with the virus.

    Authorities in Orange County, which borders Los Angeles County to the south, said in a statement earlier in the day that the Orange County patient is in isolation in a hospital and is in “good condition.”

    Authorities in Los Angeles did not disclose how the Los Angeles patient was faring but said the person was “currently receiving appropriate care.”

    Los Angeles officials said they were working to identify individuals who may have come into contact with the Los Angeles patient but that here was “no immediate threat to the general public.”

    Orange County health officials said they will be monitoring any close contacts, but that there is “no evidence that person-to-person transmission has occurred in Orange County.”

    This map shows the latest spread of the coronavirus

    “The current risk of local transmission remains low,” the Orange County health officials said, echoing the CDC’s prior statements that the U.S. public is not at high risk of transmission. But it said the situation “continues to evolve rapidly.”

    The first two U.S. cases of the virus were a Washington state man in his 30s and later, an Illinois woman in her 60s. Both had traveled to Wuhan, and are currently reported to be in a stable condition at area hospitals.

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    https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...460943ada248f5

    People need to be prepared for this to become a global epidemic: Hong Kong expert

    The number of people infected by the Wuhan coronavirus could potentially double every six days in the absence of a major intervention by public health authorities, according to Professor Gabriel Leung, chair of public health medicine at University of Hong Kong (HKU).

    Leung, who is also the founding director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center for Infection Disease Epidemiology and Control in Hong Kong, gave his forecast on the likely extent of the outbreak during a press conference held at HKU on Monday afternoon.

    He said he had submitted his report to Beijing and Hong Kong authorities as well as to the World Health Organization (WHO).

    Leung said according to his team’s model, the number of cases of Wuhan coronavirus including patients that are incubating (not showing symptoms) could approach 44,000 cases as of January 25.
    "This epidemic is growing at quite a fast rate and it’s accelerating,” said Leung."

    The results of two scenarios -- one with a population quarantine as has been seen in Wuhan and one without -- were almost identical, suggesting “population quarantine may not be able to substantially change the course of the epidemic in the other major city clusters.”

    In addition to Wuhan, Leung warned China could see epicenters of self-sustaining epidemics in other major cities in the mainland, including in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen.

    "It is not a prediction, it is not certain, but these finding makes us concerned enough to alert the authorities and to alert the public,” Leung said.

    According to Leung's forecast, the number of cases could peak between mid-May and mid-April in major cities.

    In order to prevent this from happening, there would need to be “substantial draconian measures limiting population mobility sooner rather than later,” said Leung.

    Leung said people need to be prepared for the outbreak to become a global epidemic, though it is "not a certainty by any stretch of the imagination…we must prepare better for it.”

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51318246

    The new coronavirus has been declared a global emergency by the World Health Organization, as the outbreak continues to spread outside China.

    "The main reason for this declaration is not what is happening in China but what is happening in other countries," said WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

    The concern is that it could spread to countries with weaker health systems.

    At least 213 people have died from the virus in China.

    The WHO said there had been 98 cases in 18 other countries, but no deaths. Most cases have emerged in people who have travelled from the Chinese city of Wuhan, where the outbreak began.

    However, there have been eight cases of human-to-human infection - in Germany, Japan, Vietnam and the United States.

    Speaking at a news conference in Geneva, Dr Tedros described the virus as an "unprecedented outbreak" that has been met with an "unprecedented response".
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51316915

    Chicago health officials have reported the first US case of human-to-human transmission of the deadly coronavirus.

    The new patient is the spouse of a Chicago woman who carried the infection back from Wuhan, China, the US Centers for Disease Control said on Thursday.

    The discovery marks the second report of the virus in Illinois and the sixth confirmed case in the US.

    The virus has spread to every region in China and to at least 16 countries globally, including Thailand, France, the US and Australia, with the global death toll rising to 170.

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    Of course I just rewatched Contagion before this shit started

    The closest it’s come to me is 2 Miami university students that are being tested for it. They postponed some shit just Incase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    Of course I just rewatched Contagion before this shit started
    It's scary, but if you look at the current normal flu statistics right now in the US, that stuff is really scary! We are hearing so much about the coronavirus, but I wish we took the regular flu a little more seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    It's scary, but if you look at the current normal flu statistics right now in the US, that stuff is really scary! We are hearing so much about the coronavirus, but I wish we took the regular flu a little more seriously.
    Yes this is a bad flu season. I’m equally afraid of contracting both.

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    These RWNJs and their playground attempts at making everything a conspiracy theory need to stop.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/polit...rus/index.html

    Sen. Tom Cotton isn't an infectious disease expert.

    Which is why it's odd that the Arkansas Republican decided to wildly speculate about the origins of the novel coronavirus during an appearance on Fox News this past Sunday. Asked by anchor Maria Bartiromo "why do these diseases keep coming out of China," Cotton responded:
    "This virus did not originate in the Wuhan animal market. Several of the original cases did not have any contact with that food market. We don't know where it originated ... we also know that just a few miles away from that food market is China's only Bio Safety level 4 super laboratory that researches human infectious diseases. We don't have evidence that this disease originated there ... but we at least have to ask the question."

    So, in short, what Cotton is suggesting is that either the virus is the result of an experiment gone bad or a purposeful release of a bio-weapon.

    BIG news, right? Except that there's no actual evidence to back up Cotton's claim. Here's what CNN fact checker Tara Subramaniam wrote about Cotton's claim:
    "Regarding Cotton's hypothesis that the virus originated in connection with a lab, Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, said 'I have seen no one provide any solid information to support that theory. I think at this point you can draw a line through it and say that didn't happen.'

    "'Everyone with whom I've spoken, or whom I've read, thinks that it has come from a natural source, as did the SARS virus, as did the MERS virus. Both of those were also coronaviruses in animal populations that jumped to the human species in the natural environment,' Schaffner said. 'By now scientists all over the world have looked at this virus and nothing nefarious has come up.'"

    So, yeah. Cotton did take to Twitter after his appearance to clarify that he wasn't directly suggesting coronavirus was some sort of bio-weapon gone wrong -- merely suggesting that it was one of four possible origins.

    Which is more responsible! But doesn't change the fact that on TV -- which has a lot more viewers than Cotton's Twitter feed! -- he floated a totally evidence-free conspiracy theory about the disease.

    This is the height of irresponsibility from a public official. There is already a massive amount of fear -- and misinformation -- in the public about the novel coronavirus. Why add to it by suggesting, without evidence, that this could actually be a Chinese bio-weapon?

    Cotton obviously knows better. Not only does he have a sterling academic resume (Harvard, Harvard Law) but he also spent time in the military before being elected to the House and Senate. He knows exactly why speculation like this makes things worse, not better.

    But he also is living -- as we all are -- in a sort of post-truth world, one if not created, then pushed by President Donald Trump. Trump's candidacy was born in a conspiracy theory (former President Barack Obama wasn't actually born in the United States) and he has embraced any number of conspiracy theories in his days as President. (Millions of illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election, Obama ordered the phones at Trump Tower wiretapped, etc.)

    Trump has mainstreamed conspiracy theories and convinced lots and lots of people they are true with much the same tactic Cotton used on Sunday, which amounts to this: I am not saying this is true, I am just saying people are talking about it and we owe it to ourselves to ask the question.

    But simply because Trump has made this sort of stuff commonplace doesn't mean it's OK. It isn't. After all, there's a difference between a random post on some Reddit message board and a US senator spinning conspiracy theories on national TV. Or at least, there should be.

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    Not to downplay this or ignore the Chinese government and their ability to orchestrate cover ups and be nefarious, but this whole situation is being blown out of proportion IMHO. These days, news sources make money by clicks and so they tend to sensationalize stories. Click bait etc. As RBW mentioned, our usual Flu season has killed SCORES of people, yet the panic is being focused on this one.

    It does major damage. It promotes xenophobia and affects the world economy. People are seriously refusing to open packages from products from China out of fear that the air inside is infected. Like.... STAHP.
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    https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...hnk/index.html

    A woman in her 70s is the fifth passenger on the Diamond Princess cruise ship to die from the novel coronavirus, Japan’s Health Ministry said Friday.

    A top Japanese government adviser told CNN this week that the quarantine measures enacted on the Diamond Princess, which was docked off Yokohama for two weeks, may have allowed additional infections to spread among the ship's crew and passengers.

    The American-owned cruise ship was put under quarantine by Japan after a coronavirus outbreak was detected on board.

    At least 705 people contracted the virus during the quarantine. For a time, the ship had the largest concentration of cases outside of mainland China, where the virus is thought to have originated.

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    https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/d...DHIYWSUOIMFGI/

    Dog tests ‘weak positive’ for coronavirus


    It was thought that dogs could not contract the COVID-19 or the coronavirus that is plaguing people across the world, but a pet dog in Hong Kong has apparently tested positive for the coronavirus. The result, however, was weak, the government of Hong Kong said, according to Fox News.

    The positive test was confirmed by the government of Hong Kong in a press release.

    The dog is the pet of a patient who has coronavirus. The test resulted from “environmental contamination” of the dog’s mouth and nose. The animal is in quarantine.

    It does not have any symptoms.

    Officials with the Hong Kong Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department are now saying that the pets of patients who test positive should also be in quarantine for 14 days, Fox News reported.

    The country’s agriculture department doesn’t believe the pets can become infected or infect humans, Bloomberg reported.

    Still, the American Kennel Club says to wash your hands with soap and water after coming in contact with any pet and you don’t need to get a muzzle mask to protect an animal from the virus. But if you do see a change of health, call your veterinarian.
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    I know how this happened, the chinese muthafuckas launched a biological attack on their own in that city based on the numbers of people who travel internationally in and out of the region. This was designed to disrupt global economy to counter the Tariff Trade War that was hurting their economy. How did they possibly build a hospital in 10 days? You couldn't get all the materials together in 10 days! The chinese did this shit on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S281Saleen160 View Post
    I know how this happened, the chinese muthafuckas launched a biological attack on their own in that city based on the numbers of people who travel internationally in and out of the region. This was designed to disrupt global economy to counter the Tariff Trade War that was hurting their economy. How did they possibly build a hospital in 10 days? You couldn't get all the materials together in 10 days! The chinese did this shit on purpose.
    So you're saying ultimately Trump caused it then with his childish behaviour with the tariffs? Ok, I'll buy that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    So you're saying ultimately Trump caused it then with his childish behaviour with the tariffs? Ok, I'll buy that.
    China was ripping us off, Trump fixed that! China is no longer ripping us off, the new trade deal has us winning! Both sides are in agreement on that......

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    Quote Originally Posted by S281Saleen160 View Post
    China was ripping us off, Trump fixed that! China is no longer ripping us off, the new trade deal has us winning! Both sides are in agreement on that......
    The tariffs were passed on to the US consumer via increased prices. China didn't pay for the tariffs, you and I did. Winning! Oh, wait....

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    The tariffs were passed on to the US consumer via increased prices. China didn't pay for the tariffs, you and I did. Winning! Oh, wait....
    Hmmm, good point. I need to look further, I'll be back!

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...g-u-s-n1145781

    Three new confirmed or presumptive cases of the coronavirus illness COVID-19 contracted from an unknown source were reported Friday, bringing the total number of what could be "community spread" cases in the United States to four.

    The patients from these four cases have no known travel history or exposure to someone who had traveled or been infected. Not all four have been confirmed by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention testing, but they tested positive locally.

    New cases were reported in Washington state, Oregon and California on Friday. Earlier this week, a patient at a Sacramento hospital with no known source of infection was confirmed by CDC testing to have the illness.

    The case in Washington state in Snohomish County involves a high school student, health officials said. The student is said to be doing well and did not attend classes after developing symptoms earlier this week.

    "There was no travel history associated with this case. Our team is still in the midst of the contact investigation, so we do not yet know the possible source of infection," Snohomish Health District Health Officer Dr. Chris Spitters said.

    Spitters urged the public to remain calm and informed.

    Oregon health officials said Friday that someone who had spent time in an elementary school tested positive for COVID-19 in a local test, and the source of that infection is not yet known. Contact tracing is being conducted and is a top priority, Oregon Health Authority Director Pat Allen said.

    The CDC test to confirm is pending. It is the first presumptive case in Oregon. Health officials say they are prepared for cases of the coronavirus illness in the state.

    On Friday, the Santa Clara, California, county health department said that a COVID-19 case confirmed there involved an adult woman who does not have a travel history nor any known contact with a traveler or infected person.

    "This new case indicates that there is evidence of community transmission, but the extent is still not clear," Dr. Sara Cody, health officer for Santa Clara County and director of the County of Santa Clara Public Health Department, said in a statement. "I understand this may be concerning to hear, but this is what we have been preparing for. Now we need to start taking additional actions to slow down the spread of the disease."

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    The tariffs were passed on to the US consumer via increased prices. China didn't pay for the tariffs, you and I did. Winning! Oh, wait....
    This argument confuses me because that's how it always works, right? And unless I'm missing something, it makes sense and seems fair that the one consuming said goods will pay the passed along tariffs. People who don't smoke and drink don't pay alcohol and tobacco tariffs. People who drive imported cars pay more than domestic car owners because of the passed along costs of shipping and importing, but that doesn't stop Volvo owners from purchasing one. I just see it as an informed consumer decision. I personally try to avoid cheap Chinese goods because I don't trust their health and safety protocols - too many reports of glass, lead, arsenic, and other carcinogens in dog food, baby food, cosmetics, etc. We need to rethink our dependence on cheap, Chinese goods - it's a national security risk and I can't believe we've allowed ourselves to get where we are right now, particularly in regard to prescription drugs and medical supplies. America has sold her soul in the pursuit of cheap trinkets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    This argument confuses me because that's how it always works, right? And unless I'm missing something, it makes sense and seems fair that the one consuming said goods will pay the passed along tariffs. People who don't smoke and drink don't pay alcohol and tobacco tariffs. People who drive imported cars pay more than domestic car owners because of the passed along costs of shipping and importing, but that doesn't stop Volvo owners from purchasing one. I just see it as an informed consumer decision. I personally try to avoid cheap Chinese goods because I don't trust their health and safety protocols - too many reports of glass, lead, arsenic, and other carcinogens in dog food, baby food, cosmetics, etc. We need to rethink our dependence on cheap, Chinese goods - it's a national security risk and I can't believe we've allowed ourselves to get where we are right now, particularly in regard to prescription drugs and medical supplies. America has sold her soul in the pursuit of cheap trinkets.
    Yes, this is how it always works. We always have paid the costs of imports, tariffs, taxes, etc in the goods we buy. If any of these go up, the consumer pays more, the supplier doesn't just eat them or they would be out of business and then the goods wouldn't be available anymore. Basic economics.

    I agree, that we have relied too much on China for these goods, particularly prescriptions and medical supplies. I have a feeling we're about to get a lesson in the error of our ways since the supply chains are already breaking down due to the virus.

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    So just as a thought experiment... say they tell you, right now, you need to stay home for say 3 weeks... are you ready? Do have groceries, soda, dog food, toilet paper, meds? Could your family manage if you had to? Will you have enough leave to keep your paycheck coming in?

    Now I know that right now I could zip off an order to Amazon to get staples, but what if UPS and FedEX go down (we're talking worst case here)

    I don't expect it to get that bad, but these are things I think about. We buy in bulk so, I have paper goods to last for a while, meat in the freezer etc., I'm going to pick up extra dog food and another case of pop. Things I'd have on hand anyway, just a little extra. I'm going to look for boxed bread & pizza mixes. Pick up some more frozen veggies. Some apple sauce and canned fruit. Peanut butter. Some ultra pasteurized milk... We would be fine for 3 weeks. Our pharmacy will mail refills or deliver.

    Now if things go all to hell? Well that's a little scarier but we're good for a month or so... How about you? What would you need to do to get ready. What if the local "food guys" quit delivering? Will you have to start eating small pets and neighbor children?
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    I didn't see ammo in your list of things. If all things do go to hell you'll need lots of ammo, people will come take all your shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    So just as a thought experiment... say they tell you, right now, you need to stay home for say 3 weeks... are you ready? Do have groceries, soda, dog food, toilet paper, meds? Could your family manage if you had to? Will you have enough leave to keep your paycheck coming in?

    Now I know that right now I could zip off an order to Amazon to get staples, but what if UPS and FedEX go down (we're talking worst case here)

    I don't expect it to get that bad, but these are things I think about. We buy in bulk so, I have paper goods to last for a while, meat in the freezer etc., I'm going to pick up extra dog food and another case of pop. Things I'd have on hand anyway, just a little extra. I'm going to look for boxed bread & pizza mixes. Pick up some more frozen veggies. Some apple sauce and canned fruit. Peanut butter. Some ultra pasteurized milk... We would be fine for 3 weeks. Our pharmacy will mail refills or deliver.

    Now if things go all to hell? Well that's a little scarier but we're good for a month or so... How about you? What would you need to do to get ready. What if thI e local "food guys" quit delivering? Will you have to start eating small pets and neighbor children?
    I stockpile things anyway because I coupon, but I ordered a bunch of dog food today and am going to go to Sams on Monday and get some more things to stock the freezer (we had a little accident in the fall where the freezer got unplugged accidentally and we lost the contents). I am not panicking, but I do think it's a good idea to prepare.

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    So just as a thought experiment... say they tell you, right now, you need to stay home for say 3 weeks... are you ready? Do have groceries, soda, dog food, toilet paper, meds? Could your family manage if you had to? Will you have enough leave to keep your paycheck coming in?

    Now I know that right now I could zip off an order to Amazon to get staples, but what if UPS and FedEX go down (we're talking worst case here)

    I don't expect it to get that bad, but these are things I think about. We buy in bulk so, I have paper goods to last for a while, meat in the freezer etc., I'm going to pick up extra dog food and another case of pop. Things I'd have on hand anyway, just a little extra. I'm going to look for boxed bread & pizza mixes. Pick up some more frozen veggies. Some apple sauce and canned fruit. Peanut butter. Some ultra pasteurized milk... We would be fine for 3 weeks. Our pharmacy will mail refills or deliver.

    Now if things go all to hell? Well that's a little scarier but we're good for a month or so... How about you? What would you need to do to get ready. What if the local "food guys" quit delivering? Will you have to start eating small pets and neighbor children?
    If we had to do this, we'd become homeless. We don't get paid sick days or vacation time and we can't work from home. We'd be out of business.
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    I thought the exact same thing. Poor Brennen Tammons.
    Oh well, back to gum.
    ....or exchanging Puke's wang for spicy nuts.
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    I know, right? What the fuck, puke? Willing to take in Boston, an Irish dude and like, 17 dogs but not Ron? poor Ron.

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    My husband was a Strategic Planner, I worked in Emergency Management for the final four years of my career, and we live in South Florida. We have food (real, frozen, shelf and c-rats), meds, paper goods & medical supplies, water, batteries, fuel, guns and ammo (Saleen! ) to last about 3 weeks if we have to shelter in place. We have a go bag and a full tank of gas if we have to evacuate. We're good, we have a comprehensive emergency management plan. Written, distributed, tested.

    ETA: My germaphobia and OCD may actually serve me well in the current situation. I'm seeing lots of "wash your hands" advice. If this is what it takes to get people to wash their hands it can't be all bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    My husband was a Strategic Planner, I worked in Emergency Management for the final four years of my career, and we live in South Florida. We have food (real, frozen, shelf and c-rats), meds, paper goods & medical supplies, water, batteries, fuel, guns and ammo (Saleen! ) to last about 3 weeks if we have to shelter in place. We have a go bag and a full tank of gas if we have to evacuate. We're good, we have a comprehensive emergency management plan. Written, distributed, tested.
    Yeah, I think this is one of the times living in hurricaneville helps us.

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