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    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kush...ry?id=69936411

    After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

    It was a telling moment in the rising tensions between the Trump White House and state governors desperate for medical equipment to deal with the exploding coronavirus crisis.

    At Thursday's briefing on how the government is responding, Trump's senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner scolded states for not building up their own stockpiles, saying that the "the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile, it’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use."

    Earlier Thursday, President Donald Trump had tweeted, "Some have insatiable appetites & are never satisfied (politics?) Remember, we are a backup for them. The complainers should… have been stocked up and ready long before this crisis hit."

    But the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description.

    Until Friday morning, the website of the Department of Health and Human Services, which maintains the stockpile, read, "When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency."

    But midday Friday, hours after Kushner directly contradicted the language on the HHS website, the text was changed without explanation. Retroactively matching what Kushner said, the website no longer says states can rely on the stockpile, but now says it exists to “supplement” them.

    “The Strategic National Stockpile's role is to supplement state and local supplies during public health emergencies," the website read on Friday afternoon. "Many states have products stockpiled, as well. The supplies, medicines, and devices for life-saving care contained in the stockpile can be used as a short-term stopgap buffer when the immediate supply of adequate amounts of these materials may not be immediately available.”

    The Washington Post reported the change, citing a tweet by journalist Laura Bassett.

    With a diminished stockpile of medical supplies and governors warning of a Wild West-like bidding process for ventilators, President Trump has refused to take a larger role in helping states hit hard by the novel coronavirus outbreak, instead making states compete for much of the supplies on the open market -- and insisting they are to blame for any shortfalls.

    Leaving no one official in charge of the all-encompassing process of assessing need, production, allocation and distribution, Trump has resisted calls from across the country to have the federal government harness its unique ability to take the lead, pushing responsibility onto state governors and arguing they are to blame -- not him -- for equipment shortfalls.

    "We're a backup," Trump said Thursday. "We're not an ordering clerk."

    A bipartisan chorus of governors, former officials and experts have said the federal government can and must take the lead, though -- saying only it can harness the strength of American manufacturing and make sure materials get to the right states at the right times and at a reasonable rate.

    The president on Wednesday acknowledged that the government's emergency supply of medical equipment, the Strategic National Stockpile, was nearly depleted, just as states like New York and Louisiana warn their hospitals may be days or weeks away from running out of ventilators, medical masks, surgical gowns and other essential supplies.

    While the Federal Emergency Management Agency has sought to jumpstart the production of critical gear, governors have said its involvement has only made the bidding process for ventilators worse, jacking up the prices as states and the federal government compete for a limited supply.

    Sometimes, they say, they have found themselves losing out on contracts to the federal government.

    On Thursday, the Navy officer running FEMA's supply chain task force said that he was mainly focused on ensuring the flow of the gear to the commercial market -- rather than mandating it be allocated to states and localities based on need.

    In effect, the federal government has left it up to hospitals and state governments to compete for masks, surgical gowns and more, a key complaint of governors across the country.

    "I'm not here to disrupt a supply chain," Rear Adm. John Polowczyk told reporters at the White house. "We are bringing product in, they are filling orders for hospitals, nursing homes, like normal. I am putting volume into that system."

    FEMA said in a statement earlier this week that it had always assumed the Strategic National Stockpile "alone could not fulfull (sic.) all requirements" and that "the federal government will exhaust all means to identify and attain (sic.) medical and other supplies needed to combat the virus."

    The agency said Thursday it was "expediting movement of critical supplies from the global market to medical distributors in various locations across the United States," citing half a dozen flights bringing personal protective equipment across the country so far.

    FEMA said "varying quantities" of the gear would go to "medical distributors in areas of greatest need," with the rest "infused into the broader U.S. supply chain." It said priority would be given to hospitals, health care facilities and nursing homes, but did not explain how that would work.

    The agency said that as of Thursday, it had delivered or was in the process of shipping 8,100 ventilators, 11.6 million N-95 respirators and a host of other equipment across the country. It did not provide detailed information on exactly where or when it distributed the supplies.

    The federal government, though, has so far not prevented domestic manufacturers of critical medical supplies from shipping that gear abroad. FEMA told ABC News this week it had "not actively encouraged or discouraged U.S. companies from exporting overseas."

    On Thursday, Trump's top trade adviser, Peter Navarro, said that on Friday, the federal government would issue an order that would "empower Customs and Border Protection, with the help of people like the post office and express mail consignors like UPS, to basically deal with that issue." He did not provide more details.

    Meanwhile, Trump had until last week largely resisted using the Korean War-era Defense Production Act, which would allow him to set prices and order companies to sign contracts, previously only threatening its use.

    Trump last week said he would use the act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators, and on Thursday he said he would use it to help more manufacturers produce ventilators. He nor the White House have provided exact details on how it would be employed.
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    Weirdest CYA (cover your ass) moment with this bunch this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deviant Toaster View Post
    Weirdest CYA (cover your ass) moment with this bunch this week.
    Right, and if the stockpile doesn't belong to the states, just who is it intended for??? Who is the person/group behind "OUR" stockpile?

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    It won't let me copy pasta, but they think they may be closer to a cure.

    https://www.newsweek.com/anti-parasi...y-says-1496083
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    I thought the exact same thing. Poor Brennen Tammons.
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    I know, right? What the fuck, puke? Willing to take in Boston, an Irish dude and like, 17 dogs but not Ron? poor Ron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    It won't let me copy pasta, but they think they may be closer to a cure.

    https://www.newsweek.com/anti-parasi...y-says-1496083
    Ivermectin is the active ingredient in Heartworm meds for dogs. So should I go chomp a couple of their Heartgards? Mmmm beefy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Ivermectin is the active ingredient in Heartworm meds for dogs. So should I go chomp a couple of their Heartgards? Mmmm beefy!
    There's a human oral version.
    It's actually all over the news so funny or not, it's probably what works.

    ETA: Disclaimer: THIS ISN'T ME TELLING PEOPLE TO CHUG LICE SHAMPOO. Don't be an idiot.
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    I thought the exact same thing. Poor Brennen Tammons.
    Oh well, back to gum.
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    I know, right? What the fuck, puke? Willing to take in Boston, an Irish dude and like, 17 dogs but not Ron? poor Ron.

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    A coronavirus outbreak at a Carol Stream senior living campus has claimed two lives and sickened nearly a dozen others as some family members become increasingly concerned with the pace of testing.

    Covenant Living at Windsor Park reported that 11 residents and two skilled nursing employees tested positive for the virus.

    The two residents who died after contracting COVID-19 -- a woman in her 90s and a 100-year-old -- both had underlying health conditions, Executive Director Ben Stevens said in letters to families.

    The outbreak originally was limited to the 72-bed skilled nursing section of the North Avenue campus, but a new case has surfaced in the assisted-living area.

    As nursing homes across the country become hot spots, operators are struggling with limited testing availability and shortages of healthy employees. More than 400 long-term care facilities in the U.S. have reported at least one COVID-19 case, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Windsor Park has scaled up recruitment of nurses, nursing assistants and other health care workers. Operators are trying to stem the virus spread with twice-daily disinfection cleanings in isolation rooms, a daily review of infection control protocols for every shift, and protective equipment training for all nursing, housekeeping and dining shifts. All health care workers are required to wear masks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    lol at Nestle being some vicious smiter, she's the nicest person on this site besides probably puzzld. Or at least the last person to resort to smiting.
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    A girl at my job caught the chinese virus. They called in a company to clean the entire building and everyone is expected back to work on Monday. These muthafuckas are crazy telling people they must show up for work....I'm not going anywhere near that building, working remote is whats good.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/us/ti...rnd/index.html

    Nadia, a tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York, has become the first of her kind to test positive for the coronavirus.

    The 4-year-old female Malayan tiger tested positive after developing a dry cough and is expected to recover, the Wildlife Conservation Society's Bronx Zoo said in a news release.

    Samples from Nadia were taken and tested after the tiger -- and five other tigers and lions at the zoo -- began showing symptoms of respiratory illness, according to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). No other animals at the zoo are showing symptoms.

    "Though they have experienced some decrease in appetite, the cats at the Bronx Zoo are otherwise doing well under veterinary care and are bright, alert, and interactive with their keepers," the zoo said.

    "It is not known how this disease will develop in big cats since different species can react differently to novel infections, but we will continue to monitor them closely and anticipate full recoveries."

    The animals were infected by a zoo employee who was "asymptomatically infected with the virus" while caring for them, according to the zoo. The Bronx Zoo has been closed to the public since March 16.

    Anyone sick with the coronavirus is being advised to minimize contact with animals, including pets, until more information is known about the virus, the USDA said.

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    Lee Fierro, an actor best known for playing Mrs. Kintner in “Jaws,” has died of complications from coronavirus, according to The Martha’s Vineyard Times. She was 91.

    A resident of Martha’s Vineyard, Mass., Fierro had been living at an assisted care facility in Ohio when she died.

    Fierro’s character was the mother to Alex Kintner (Jeffrey Voorhees), the second victim of the great white shark in “Jaws.” In the 1975 film, her son was attacked off the shore of Amity Island, and she walks up to police chief Brody (Roy Scheider) and slaps him in a memorable scene. She also reprises her role as the character in “Jaws: The Revenge” in 1987.

    While shooting the Steven Spielberg movie in Martha’s Vineyard, Fierro was a drama teacher at the Island Theatre Workshop, where she mentored hundreds of aspiring actors. She spent more than 25 years there as the artistic director, and she continued helping out well into her 80s. Fierro moved to Ohio in 2017 to be closer to her family.

    A small service, due to the social distancing rules in place during the coronavirus pandemic, is being planned by Fierro’s family in Ohio. There are plans for a memorial service in Martha’s Vineyard at a later date.
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    Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive for coronavirus

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/a-bron...s-coronavirus/

    The coronavirus is infecting New Yorkers of all stripes.

    A 4-year-old Malayan tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for the COVID-19 bug after developing a dry cough, the Wildlife Conservation Society said in a statement Sunday.

    “Nadia, a 4-year-old female Malayan tiger at the Bronx Zoo, has tested positive for COVID-19. She, her sister Azul, two Amur tigers, and three African lions had developed a dry cough and all are expected to recover,” the statement read.
    The diagnosis was confirmed by USDA’s National Veterinary Services Laboratory in Iowa “out of an abundance of caution,” the society said.

    The big cats are on the mend, the WCS said.

    “Though they have experienced some decrease in appetite, the cats at the Bronx Zoo are otherwise doing well under veterinary care and are bright, alert, and interactive with their keepers,” the statement said. “It is not known how this disease will develop in big cats since different species can react differently to novel infections, but we will continue to monitor them closely and anticipate full recoveries.”

    The four affected big cats are housed in the zoo’s Tiger Mountain exhibit.

    None of the other cats at the zoo, which includes leopards, cheetahs, and pumas, have shown symptoms, the society said.

    Zoo officials said they hope Nadia’s diagnosis “will ensure any knowledge we gain about COVID-19 will contribute to the world’s continuing understanding of this novel coronavirus.”

    The zoo has been closed since March 16 due to the spread of the virus.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, animals can become infected by the coronavirus, but scientists don’t believe they can spread the bug to humans.

    In the United States, there is no evidence to suggest that any animals, including pets, livestock, or wildlife, might be a source of COVID019 infection at this time,” according to the CDC.

    “However, because all animals can carry germs that can make people sick, it’s always a good idea to practice healthy habits around pets and other animals,” the agency notes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Fuck this shit is zoonotic now.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/uk/bo...ntl/index.html

    Boris Johnson moved to intensive care unit as coronavirus symptoms have 'worsened'

    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson was moved to an intensive care unit Monday after his condition with coronavirus symptoms "worsened," his office has said.

    Johnson, 55, was first admitted to St Thomas' Hospital in London on Sunday evening for what he said were "routine tests," saying on social media that he was in "good spirits."

    But the apparent change in the leader's health has shocked the nation, with politicians from his party and the opposition voicing their support for the leader, as the country battles an outbreak that has killed more than 5,000 people.

    "Over the course of this afternoon, the condition of the Prime Minister has worsened and, on the advice of his medical team, he has been moved to the Intensive Care Unit at the hospital," a Downing Street spokesperson said.

    According to Downing Street officials, Johnson remains conscious and has been moved to the intensive care unit as a precaution, in case he requires ventilation.

    The move strikes a sharp contrast to earlier reports on Johnson's condition: During his period of self-isolation, Downing Street had said that Johnson's symptoms were "mild," and on Sunday said his hospitalization was just a "precautionary step."

    The Prime Minister's spokesperson had said earlier on Monday that Johnson spent a "comfortable" night in hospital, but would not comment on reports Johnson was given oxygen. Officials are no longer describing his symptoms as mild.

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    So, today I applied for the more streamlined SBA loan that is supposed to be more fast-tracked and less strict. Apparently I was ahead of the game before and filed the more complicated way and before they lifted some of the restrictions that disqualified us. It's for a 10K loan at 4% that MIGHT even be forgiven, but I'm not banking on that right now. Fingers crossed.

    Unemployment was a bust. Didn't get approved and now I'm being told that the stimulus checks (IF we even qualify) probably won't get to us until August. Thanks.... For that..... Since rent needs to be paid now and not later.

    If this doesn't work, I'm going to personally contact our bank. We've been with them for 12 years, have never done anything to cause them problems and have never asked for a loan. I'm hoping that if all else fails, they might take pity on us.

    I'm not going to lie. I'm very upset over working my ass off to avoid claiming disability to build up this amazing business that was doing awesome just to see all of it slip away in the matter of a couple of months due to nothing we had control of. I know that the clients will still be there after all of this, but will we? I'm just at a loss.

    I'm also reminding myself that countless others are suffering the same right now. I'm wondering why it's so easy for these huge corporations to get a bail out with our tax money with no question, yet we're left to die.

    As a meme I saw put it:

    "What is the point of letting these billionaires accrue all of this money if we need to pay them the second their companies lose value".
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    Oh well, back to gum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Babe 73 View Post
    So, today I applied for the more streamlined SBA loan that is supposed to be more fast-tracked and less strict. Apparently I was ahead of the game before and filed the more complicated way and before they lifted some of the restrictions that disqualified us. It's for a 10K loan at 4% that MIGHT even be forgiven, but I'm not banking on that right now. Fingers crossed.

    Unemployment was a bust. Didn't get approved and now I'm being told that the stimulus checks (IF we even qualify) probably won't get to us until August. Thanks.... For that..... Since rent needs to be paid now and not later.

    If this doesn't work, I'm going to personally contact our bank. We've been with them for 12 years, have never done anything to cause them problems and have never asked for a loan. I'm hoping that if all else fails, they might take pity on us.

    I'm not going to lie. I'm very upset over working my ass off to avoid claiming disability to build up this amazing business that was doing awesome just to see all of it slip away in the matter of a couple of months due to nothing we had control of. I know that the clients will still be there after all of this, but will we? I'm just at a loss.

    I'm also reminding myself that countless others are suffering the same right now. I'm wondering why it's so easy for these huge corporations to get a bail out with our tax money with no question, yet we're left to die.

    As a meme I saw put it:

    "What is the point of letting these billionaires accrue all of this money if we need to pay them the second their companies lose value".
    Fingers, toes and eyes crossed for you!
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    Good luck Boston thinking of you.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/polit...rus/index.html

    US intelligence officials were warning as far back as late November that the novel coronavirus was spreading through China's Wuhan region and posing a threat to its people and daily life, according to ABC News.

    The US military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) compiled a November intelligence report in which "analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources of the NCMI's report told ABC News.

    The source told ABC News that the intelligence report was then briefed "multiple times" to the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's Joint Staff and the White House.

    Repeated briefings were held through December across the US government, including the National Security Council, culminating in a detailed outline of the threat in the President's Daily Brief in early January, according to ABC News, whose report cited four sources briefed on the matter.

    The report, which CNN has not independently verified, raised concerns because of the disease's potential threat to US military forces in Asia, ABC News reported.

    CNN is seeking a response from the White House National Security Council and the Pentagon. The Pentagon, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and White House National Security Council declined to comment to ABC News.

    The Trump administration has faced criticism for not responding quickly enough to contain the novel coronavirus in the US, which now has the most confirmed cases globally. The intelligence report is the latest indication that the Trump administration had prior warning of the virus well before the first case was confirmed in the US in late January and further undercuts President Donald Trump's claims that the crisis was an unforeseen and unexpected problem.

    US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said Sunday that he couldn't recall if the Pentagon received an intelligence assessment on the novel coronavirus in China last November from the NCMI, which provides medical intelligence to the Defense Department on foreign health threats and capabilities.

    "But we have many people that watch this closely. We have the premier infectious disease research institute in America, within the United States Army. So, our people who work these issues directly watch this all the time," Esper said Sunday during an interview on ABC News' "This Week."

    When pressed further by ABC's George Stephanopoulos if he had known if there was a briefing to the National Security Council, Esper replied that he was unaware.

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...ital-symptoms/

    Officials in Louisiana say COVID-19 likely caused a woman to go into premature labor and as a result, her baby did not survive. East Baton Rouge Coroner Dr. Beau Clark announced in a press briefing on Monday that the baby's death was counted as a coronavirus-related death.

    Clark said the mother went to the hospital after experiencing coronavirus symptoms. "She ultimately ended up having to be put on the ventilator because of the profound nature of the shortness of breath, and has tested positive for the COVID-19 virus," Clark said during the briefing.

    The coroner said the woman unfortunately ended up going into labor prematurely and that "the baby, because of the extreme prematurity, did not survive." The child was just under 22 weeks gestation, Clark said. He did not have a status update on the mother.

    Clark, who is president of the Louisiana State Coroner Association, said the baby did not test positive for COVID-19, but after speaking to other health professionals, a decision was made to consider it a COVID-19-related death.

    "Had [the mother] not been COVID-19 positive, had not required ventilator support, had not had the shortness of breath, the hypoxia [oxygen deprivation] that is associated with the virus, likely she would not have gone into preterm labor and there would have been a different outcome," Clark said. He added that there have been cases similar to this in the U.S., according to other health experts he has spoken to.

    "This brings up a strong point that we should really pay attention to the quarantine, pay attention to the stay-at-home orders, pay attention to social distancing and the isolation," he said. "We can all be affected by [coronavirus]."

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    So a local EMT went into a store and said social distancing was nonsense and coughed on the manager (news flash, he got arrested) and a charge nurse for a local hospital ICU threw a big party this weekend because she she's a big Trump supporter and doesn't believe in anyone being told what they can't do (don't tread on me). What is wrong with people?!

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    I'm not sure if I've posted in this thread, but here I am.
    I had to go to the doctor's office yesterday for my six week postpartum checkup (everything's good).
    The doctor's office is right across the street from the hospital. I was a nervous wreck going, I washed my hands three times while I was there. I also ditched my clothes soon as I got home and scrubbed in the shower.
    The doctor's office took steps to make sure people coming in didn't have the coronavirus, but you never know.
    The baby and I have been self quarantining, but daddy has been traveling for work. He's "essential". I keep harping on my husband to wash his hands. I hope he's been proactive, because his hand washing at home is no where near twenty seconds. My husband drives me nuts with how lackadaisical he is around the house.
    Walmart (in my area) only recently started becoming more strict with the amount of people that can come in and that's one of the main businesses my husband works at.
    Off the topic of my personal life, it's really annoying the amount of older people sharing advice or acting like the coronavirus is just like the flu (I think the body count is making people realize it's not like the flu). I've seen lists on how to beat the coronavirus like gargling with salt water. If only all the dead people had listened, they wouldn't be dead.
    I'm going to start making more people hate me again by calling them idiots. I have people in my husband's family dislike me, because I told them they were stupid (due to Facebook posts).
    I better go back to sleep since this child sleeps two hours at a time. I hope you all stay safe and don't catch this virus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    So a local EMT went into a store and said social distancing was nonsense and coughed on the manager (news flash, he got arrested) and a charge nurse for a local hospital ICU threw a big party this weekend because she she's a big Trump supporter and doesn't believe in anyone being told what they can't do (don't tread on me). What is wrong with people?!
    I meant to respond to this. Did anyone hear about the woman getting charged with terrorism for coughing on produce? I'm not sure if someone already talked about it, but the grocery store had to throw away 35k dollars worth of food.

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    Simulation shows how a cough can spread coronavirus in supermarkets

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/simula...us-in-a-store/

    Researchers in Finland have released a chilling simulation that shows how droplets from a single cough in a supermarket can hang in the air for “several minutes” and travel across two aisles — possibly infecting nearby shoppers with the coronavirus.

    Aalto University, the Finnish Meteorological Institute, VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland and the University of Helsinki studied how aerosolized particles spewed from the respiratory tract when coughing, sneezing — or even talking – flow through the air.

    According to preliminary results, tiny particles carrying the coronavirus can linger in the air longer than was originally thought, driving home the importance of avoiding packed indoor spaces.

    The four research organizations each conducted the modeling independently, using the same starting conditions, for a person coughing in an aisle between shelves, according to Aalto University.

    “Someone infected by the coronavirus, can cough and walk away, but then leave behind extremely small aerosol particles carrying the coronavirus,” Aalto University Assistant Professor Ville Vuorinen said.

    “These particles could then end up in the respiratory tract of others in the vicinity,” he added.

    VIDEO - https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/simula...us-in-a-store/

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    I meant to respond to this. Did anyone hear about the woman getting charged with terrorism for coughing on produce? I'm not sure if someone already talked about it, but the grocery store had to throw away 35k dollars worth of food.
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