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    . A push to provide greater oversight over local health orders and ban vaccine passports was renewed this week when the Missouri Senate tacked both proposals onto a sprawling bill on local government issues.

    House Bill 271 swelled from just three pages when it was originally introduced to 101 on Tuesday afternoon, after nearly 30 amendments were added on the Senate floor. Sponsored by House Speaker Pro Tem John Wiemann, R-O'Fallon, the bill was originally intended to establish a database to track local government expenditures.

    The bill was passed out of the Senate on Wednesday morning with an emergency clause by a vote of 25 in favor to six against. It now heads back to the House, which can sign off on the Senate's version and send it to the governor or ask for a conference committee to work out a compromise.

    More than a year into the novel coronavirus' spread, curbing local health departments' authority and banning vaccine passports have become flashpoints for lawmakers across the country.

    Sen. Bob Onder, R-Lake St. Louis, on Tuesday offered an amendment that was essentially a scaled down version of Senate Bill 12, which had failed to gain initial approval after nearly eight hours of debate in late March.

    The proposal adopted Tuesday would cap restrictions issued during a state of emergency at 30 days in a 180-day period. Extensions for an additional 30 days could be approved by a simple majority vote of the local health authority's governing body after a report is provided outlining the need for such an extension.

    Under the bill, if health orders are issued outside of a state of emergency, they would be limited to 21 days in a 180-day period and require a two-thirds majority vote to be extended. Local governing bodies would also have the authority to terminate any health order by a simple majority vote. Local public health departments under multiple counties would require approval from the governing body in each county.

    Senate Bill 12 had previously restricted health orders to a period of 15 days and only permitted their extension for an additional cumulative total of 30 days.

    "This particular amendment embodies a compromise that I think most everyone would agree with," Onder said on the Senate floor Tuesday, "which is, that in our Democratic republic, there should always be accountability, ultimately to the people through their elected officials."

    Supporters have said such bills would return oversight to elected local governing boards, therefore ensuring residents have a say in health orders. Meanwhile, opponents have warned severe restrictions may hamper health officials' ability to quickly respond in future pandemics.

    A similar proposal sponsored by Rep. Jim Murphy, R-St. Louis, passed out of a Senate committee late last month and awaits debate before the Senate. In a letter to Gov. Mike Parson on Tuesday, Murphy and nearly 80 lawmakers urged Parson to lift any remaining health restrictions, noting states like Texas have lifted mask mandates and occupancy limits on businesses.

    Amid the pandemic, Gov. Greg Abbott's statewide executive orders in Texas usurped local officials' and often prohibited them from issuing restrictions stricter than those at a state level.

    "We hope that our legislation will cross the finish line to your desk but with the uncertainty of the legislative process we feel it is time that immediate action be taken," the letter read. "We ask that you as the leader of this state give our citizens their freedoms back by removing the remaining restrictions imposed on them."

    While Parson extended Missouri's state of emergency through Aug. 31, 2021, which kept certain waivers to respond to the pandemic in place, Missouri is not under statewide restrictions, like a mask mandate.

    Parson declared Missouri "fully open for business" in mid-June and let the state's social distancing order, which included limits on large gatherings and capacity for some businesses, expire. Over the course of the pandemic, Parson has left such decisions largely in the hands of local officials.

    Under another provision of House Bill 271, local jurisdictions would be prohibited from requiring residents provide proof of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in order to access transportation or public accommodations.

    "I believe that any public entity should not be doing that," said Sen. Mike Moon, R-Ash Grove, who amended the language onto the bill Tuesday.

    Onder added a provision to limit Moon's amendment to apply only to proof of COVID-19 vaccinations, noting more narrowly tailored language would likely have better chances of surviving the House and conference committee process, where the House and Senate work to come to a compromise on a bill's language.

    Moon also originally offered an amendment that would only apply to counties, cities, towns or villages, but later added in "receiving public funds."

    The provision had raised concerns for Democratic Sens. John Rizzo, of Independence, and Jill Schupp, of Creve Coeur, who worried it may apply to hotels that have received tax credits or the airline industry that's received federal aid.

    "Private businesses should be able to dictate what they do and don't do. If they're taking public funds though, they may be in another category, and I think they probably are," Moon said, later adding: "But if you're a government entity, I think that's what this is primarily aimed toward."

    Similar provisions banning vaccine passports are also moving through the process, with a Senate bill barring them to access transportation and a House bill that would go further and extend that ban to private businesses and government entities.

    Parson has said that while he would not mandate vaccine passports at a state level, he would be fine with them being used in the private sector.
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    . St. Joseph area delegates went in different directions on a narrow rejection vote Wednesday of a measure meant to enable refusal of childhood vaccines.

    Under current law, before a child attends public school in Missouri, it is usually required to obtain injections such as the mumps, measles and rubella two-dose program. All COVID-19 vaccines are not part of this debate, as they are not yet authorized for children. For the MMR vaccine, families can refuse, but are required to go through a process in which they cite religious beliefs, or the advice of a medical provider. Rep. Suzie Pollock, a Republican of Lebanon, Missouri, proposed HB 37 to expand these exemptions. She amended HB 37 into a larger bill, before the House voted that down 67-79. In opposition were Reps. Bill Falkner and Brenda Shields of St. Joseph. Those in favor included Reps. Randy Railsback of Hamilton, Dean VanSchoiack of Savannah, and J. Eggleston of Maysvile. The five delegates are all Republicans.

    "I think it's really important for every child who's able to be vaccinated to be vaccinated, so we can support the rest of our community and keep kids healthy, and in school," said Dr. Thuylinh Pham.

    Pham, a pediatrician and Missouri legislative chair for the American Academy of Pediatrics, said the MMR vaccine doesn't always immunize a patient; she herself had to receive four rounds of MMR vaccine before tests showed she had developed immunity. For this reason, it is advised for as many to get the vaccine as possible, so as to shield those who cannot or did not get immunized for some reason. This is the concept of "herd immunity."

    Falkner, who represents the heart of St. Joseph, said the main reason for his "no" vote is the common practice of taking unrelated, "controversial" ideas and folding them into omnibus legislation, so as to make the new ideas easier to pass. The outcome, intended or not, is to bog down mainstream bills most people will support with detritus that could sink the entire bill. Therefore a "no" vote is needed to strip them back out.

    "It's better that they stand by themselves, and fall by themselves," Falkner said.

    The underlying cause — parental choice for their own children's medical needs — is one Falkner said he agrees with. However, any possible support for this idea would require further consultations with public education leaders.

    "You have to put yourself in the shoes of those in public education who are trying to protect our kids," he said.

    Railsback, who represents Clinton County and his own Caldwell County, said he personally believes public officials have a duty to promote vaccination as much as possible, but it needs to be implemented through persuasion and public education.

    "Most of the time, if people look at this objectively, learn the facts, they're going to decide the right thing to do is get vaccinated," he said. "But if we say, right off the bat, 'You have to,' then the reaction by some people is, 'You can't make me.' And we go right past their ability to be educated and persuaded."
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouscat View Post
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    . The Harvard Crimson story this week reads like a piece in the humor publication The Onion: “Harvard Experiments With In-Person Instruction.” The student-run Crimson seemed not to register that Harvard professors have been teaching in person for 385 years.

    After a year of online learning, college students and instructors are eager to get back to life B.C. (Before Covid). But schools are making a confusing and controversial patchwork of plans.

    Harvard has yet to say it will require students to get vaccinated. In March, faculty of arts and sciences dean Claudine Gay said that she expects “a full return to campus” in the fall, though specifics won’t be announced until May. Meantime, this spring students sat in on a trial run of 14 classes, covered by the Crimson. Some were face-to-face with masks and distancing. Others were hybrid.

    More than 100 colleges have announced vaccine mandates. On April 22, California’s two huge university systems, the University of California and California State, both said that they intend to require students, faculty and staff to be vaccinated. But they also said the requirement is contingent on the federal government giving full approval to one or more Covid vaccines.

    For now, the vaccines have emergency use authorization (EUA) from the FDA. This is the first time the government has granted an EUA for the entire population, which has raised questions about whether institutions can legally require vaccinations.

    They can, according to a recent Stat News article written by three law professors. The authors note that before the pandemic, federal agencies like the FDA and CDC said that EUA vaccines could not be mandated. But the professors say that the federal law governing such vaccines requires only that people who get them be informed of the health risks.

    Adding to the confusion, states with Republican governors, like Utah, have passed measures that bar institutions of higher education from imposing vaccine mandates. In early April, Florida governor Ron DeSantis issued an executive order that forbids businesses and government agencies from requiring vaccine documentation.

    In addition, anti-vaccine groups like Austin, Texas-based Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) have threatened to sue colleges like Rutgers and Princeton over their vaccination requirements. But Del Bigtree, ICAN’s CEO, can’t explain how his group has standing to sue a college. ICAN has a New York City-based plaintiff’s class action law firm, Siri & Glimstad, on retainer, he says. Partner Aaron Siri didn’t respond to email and phone requests for comment.

    As for what sort of Covid protocols most colleges will adopt in the fall, “I suspect it will be a bit of a moving target,” says immunologist Gigi Gronvall, who is on the faculty at Johns Hopkins’ Bloomberg School of Public Health. Hopkins has announced a vaccine requirement but has yet to specify whether it will require students and instructors to wear masks and practice social distancing. Though Gronvall says the likelihood of vaccinated people getting infected or transmitting the virus is “extremely low,” public health authorities “are always going to be more conservative than the data.”

    Robert Schooley, chief of infectious diseases as UC San Diego Health, who advised the University of California on its vaccine mandate, predicts that most U.S. colleges will require students, professors and staff to be vaccinated before they return to campus. “I do think most universities will make vaccination mandatory (with medically appropriate exemptions),” he says, “except for those in states in which politicians choose to make it a political issue.”

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    TAMPA, Fla. — As the pandemic persists, it remains a question and debate as to whether so-called vaccine passports will be needed to travel, enter a business, or enroll in school.

    In Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis took a strong stance on the issue when he signed an executive order to ban anything that forces people to prove they've been immunized.

    Florida lawmakers may have made his order permanent with SB 2006, which just passed the Florida House Thursday. The legislation would not allow businesses, schools or government entities to require proof of the COVID-19 vaccinations.

    The bill now requires the governor's signature before becoming law.

    In March, DeSantis said, "It’s completely unacceptable for either the government or the private sector to impose upon you the requirement that you show proof or vaccine to simply be able to participate in normal society."

    However, Dr. Thomas Unnasch, a distinguished health professor at the University of South Florida, says it's important to remember that vaccine requirements and proof of immunization have been around for nearly a century.

    "Probably close to 80 years now," said Unnasch, who is also the co-director of the Center for Global Health Infectious Disease Research at USF.

    Right now, in the state of Florida, a long list of shots are required for a child to attend school. They include DTaP, IPV, MMR, Hep B, Tdap, and Varicella. You can read the whole list of requirements here.

    Parents must provide paperwork from a doctor as proof of these immunizations for their child to attend school. In Florida, exemptions are granted only for medical and religious reasons.

    "These are diseases that historically have killed many many people, many children over the years," said Unnasch.

    REQUIRED VACCINES VS. OPTIONAL VACCINES

    Dr. Unnasch says mandating a particular vaccine depends on the severity of a disease and whether our public health system can hold up. The vaccines required by the state of Florida prevent diseases that can cause a health crisis even if a small percentage of people aren't vaccinated.

    "In order to maintain herd immunity and make sure these are not an ongoing health problem, we need to make sure the majority of people are immune to these infections," he said.

    Two other reasons for required immunizations are to protect those who can't get vaccinated such as people with auto-immune disorders and also to protect the general population since no vaccine is 100 percent effective.

    A flu vaccine is not required to attend school, and Unnasch says that's because society can tolerate the yearly flu outbreak.

    "People can have a choice if they want to get the vaccine, they can get vaccinated and prevent themselves from infection or they can take the chance and get pretty darn sick for a week," he explained.

    Universities also have stringent vaccination requirements.

    On the Florida Gulf Coast University website, it says, "The State University System of Florida/FGCU requires all students born AFTER 12/31/1956 to upload documented vaccine proof or lab immunity to MMRs, (Measles (Rubeola) Mumps and German Measles (Rubella) to their SHS Portal."

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention makes recommendations for college students. The CDC also has vaccine information for adults and guidelines for certain careers such as healthcare workers.

    SHOULD A COVID-19 VACCINE BE MANDATED?

    Dr. Unnasch says it's too early to tell. His final word:

    "We’re going to have to wait and see if we can develop herd immunity through voluntary vaccinations or if COVID remains to be a long-standing, chronic, public health problem that’s filling our hospitals and taking a lot of health care resources."

    Other medical and legal experts have weighed in in our previous reporting. Check it out:

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    Gov. Henry McMaster, who has proudly refused to issue a statewide mask mandate throughout the coronavirus pandemic, said Wednesday it was “ridiculous” for school districts to require students to wear masks at school.

    A longtime proponent of getting South Carolina students back in classrooms five days a week, the governor’s comments came after he was asked to weigh in on parents pushing against the requirement that their children wear masks at school.

    “Those parents are exactly right,” McMaster said, speaking to reporters at a press conference. “If they do not want their children being forced by the government to wear a mask in school, they should not be forced by the government to wear a mask in school against the wishes of the parents.

    “It is the height of ridiculosity for a school district to make that decision for the parents, particularly since we’ve known even when the virus was rampant that the schools, the classrooms were the safest places of all.”

    The governor said parents, not the government or school district officials, should decide whether or not their children must wear masks in school.

    “It is the parents’ choice, it is no longer the school district’s choice,” said McMaster, who called on state education officials to adopt his stance.

    The S.C. Department of Education currently requires students and staff in public schools to wear a mask when entering a school building, moving through hallways, during pickup and drop off, while boarding, riding and exiting buses, and when social distancing is not possible.

    Students may only remove their face coverings when directed to by a teacher or administrator while in the classroom or during special activities outside the classroom, according to the policy posted on its website.

    Education spokesman Ryan Brown said the agency did not intend to modify its masking policy in response to the governor’s comments and said all districts in the state currently follow mask guidelines.

    “We would advise districts to continue to follow these guidelines and if the Governor feels that they are no longer needed, he has the power to issue an executive order directing districts to abandon them,” Brown said in a statement.

    Last week, after months of the governor, the state superintendent and lawmakers urging all schools to return to in-person instruction five days a week, legislation requiring that schools do so passed both chambers and was quickly signed into law.

    Brown said South Carolina is one of only a handful of states nationwide in which every school is fully open to in-person learning.

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    It's time to start shunning the 'vaccine hesitant.' They're blocking COVID herd immunity.
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    Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — When a group of Republican doctors in Congress released a video selling the safety of the coronavirus vaccine, their message wasn’t explicitly aimed at their conservative constituents, but nonetheless had a clear political bent.

    Getting the shot is the best way to “end the government’s restrictions on our freedoms,” Rep. Larry Bucshon, an Indiana Republican and heart surgeon who donned a white lab coat and stethoscope when he spoke into the camera.

    The public service announcement was the latest effort from GOP leaders to shrink the vaccination gap between their party and Democrats. With vaccination rates lagging in red states, Republican leaders have stepped up efforts to persuade their supporters to get the shot, at times combating misinformation spread by some of their own.

    “Medicine and science and illness, that should not be political,” said Dr. Brad Wenstrup, a Republican congressman from Ohio and a podiatrist who has personally administered coronavirus vaccine shots both as an Army Reserve officer and as an ordinary doctor. “But it was an election year and it really was.”

    Wenstrup said both parties helped foment some skepticism, though increasingly vocal moves by other Republicans amount to acknowledgement that GOP vaccine hesitancy is a growing public health problem — and potentially a political one.

    “Things could easily spiral quickly if we don’t solve this red-state-blue-state issue,” said Kavita Patel, a physician and health policy expert who worked in the Obama administration.

    Patel said life could return to normal in certain parts of the country while the pandemic continues to rage elsewhere — potentially even disrupting in-person voting in primaries ahead of next year’s midterm elections.

    “We could be sitting here in the winter-fall with an entirely different, scary version of the pandemic,” she said. “One driven by a combination of variants and people who didn’t want to get vaccinated.”

    It’s easy to spot potential trouble spots now — and the political pattern.

    Mississippi has the nation’s lowest vaccination rate, with less than 31% of its population receiving at least one anti-coronavirus shot. And the four states that proceed it in national rankings, Alabama, Louisiana, Idaho and Wyoming, according to an Associated Press analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data. They all vote reliably Republican in presidential races.


    By contrast, the five states with the highest vaccination rates backed Democrat Joe Biden in November. New Hampshire leads the nation with 60% of its population receiving at least one dose, followed by Massachusetts, Vermont and Connecticut. The fifth highest vaccination rate state, Maine, awarded three of its electoral votes to Biden and one to former President Donald Trump.

    Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say they definitely or probably won’t get vaccinated, 44% versus 17%, according to a poll released in February from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs.

    Hence this week’s video, where Texas Republican Rep. Michael Burgess, an obstetrician who reassured viewers that rather than rush the vaccine out in an unsafe fashion, federal officials “cut bureaucratic red tape, not corners. And they got the job done in record time.” The video also credited the Trump administration’s Operation Warp Speed with bringing the vaccine so quickly.

    Amid polling showing that Republican men were among the most likely vaccine holdouts, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said earlier this month, “I can say as a Republican man, as soon as it was my turn, I took the vaccine.” Even Trump, who was vaccinated privately while in office, suggested on Fox News Channel that he’d be willing to record a video urging vaccination.

    Doing so would be an about-face for Trump, who as president long said he’d be willing to take a vaccine but also relished politicizing the pandemic. He suggested that lockdowns recommended by his administration’s experts were governmental overreach, mocked then-candidate Biden for wearing a mask in public too frequently and used racist terms like “China virus.”

    Not all Republican lawmakers feel the same sense of urgency to raise the vaccination rate, meanwhile.

    “The science tells us that vaccines are 95% effective. So if you have a vaccine, quite honestly, what do you care if your neighbor has one or not?” Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson said during a recent interview with a conservative radio host. “I mean, what is it to you?”

    Between 70% and 85% of the population would need to be immune before the coronavirus is effectively contained, experts believe.

    The GOP’s top leaders may also have political incentives to appeal to those resistant to getting the shot. Joe Brettell, a GOP strategist in deep red Texas, said he expects Republican governors looking to raise their profiles will seize on vaccine-related debates, such as opposing “vaccine passports” that may eventually be required for travel, even as they implore their state’s people to get immunized.

    “I think that’s where smart governors are going to start asserting themselves,” he said, noting that some already have.

    Ideology also isn’t the only factor in vaccine hesitancy. Experts are also tracking a generational gap, with younger Americans believing that, even if they get the virus, it is unlikely to seriously sicken or kill them. Republican West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice even is offering $100 saving bonds to residents ages 16 to 35 who get or have gotten the shot — trying to reverse a trend that saw his conservative state become an early leader in vaccination rates only to have it slow since.

    Republican pollster Frank Luntz, who has been researching how best to convince vaccine skeptics, says he believes the effort is most effective when it avoids politics, with people hearing about the benefits of immunization from doctors, not politicians. He said many skeptics are persuaded to get the shot because it benefits their friends and family, not just themselves.

    “If it’s politicized, they will not reach herd immunity,” said Luntz, who said that means giving credit to both sides, praising the Trump administration for Operation Warp Speed and the Biden White House’s efficient and effective distribution of vaccines.

    Luntz argued that public health officials should be targeting Republicans in much the same ways that national campaigns sought to win over holdouts among Black Americans and other minority groups.

    “It’s actually very tragic that appealing to Black Americans about the importance of staying safe is heroic,” Luntz said. “But appealing to Republicans, who have their own concerns, is considered political.”

    The Biden administration is working with community health officials, promoting the vaccine to skeptics through doctors and experts who don’t have the celebrity buzz but may be seen as more trustworthy. Biden suggested that might be a better way to reach “Make America Great Again” diehard Trump supporters more than a video from the former president himself.

    “The thing that has more impact than anything Trump would say to the MAGA folks is what the local doctor, what the local preachers, what the local people in the community say,” Biden said.

    Wenstrup said vaccine reluctance can be bipartisan — but the opposite is also true. He told of helping vaccinate older adults in Ohio when one woman recognized his name and asked for a selfie.

    “She said, ‘I probably don’t agree with you on one thing politically, but I thank you for your service and for being here today, giving the shot,’” Wenstrup recalled. “I said, ‘And that’s America, ma’am.’”

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    Editor's note: this story has been updated to clarify how the bill would apply to hospitals.

    A Tennessee proposal prohibiting the government from mandating COVID-19 vaccination and allowing religious exemptions cleared the Senate 20-8 Thursday, despite concerns the bill could lead to heightened vaccine hesitancy.

    The House passed the same measure 72-20 last week. The bill is expected to head to Gov. Bill Lee's desk after the House goes through a procedural move to have its version match the Senate.

    The proposal would prohibit state and local authorities from mandating the COVID-19 vaccine, although no governments in Tennessee have signaled desire for a mandate. It would also allow people to waive the vaccine out of religious beliefs or "by rights of conscience" even during a pandemic.
    The legislation would not apply to students at public universities and colleges studying in the medical and health care field, or students at any health care facilities. The bill also would not cover private businesses, although many have suggested they will not mandate the vaccine anyway.

    But under the legislation, public K-12 schools would be prohibited from mandating COVID-19 vaccination. The bill would still allow hospitals to mandate the vaccine among their employees and allow for religious exemptions, as granted under federal law.

    Governments would also not be able to mandate the vaccines even if they are fully approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in the future.

    Supporters argue the bill champions religious freedom and individual rights to make medical choices. The issue, however, invited criticism from Tennessee Department of Health officials as well as other health care professionals, who fear the bill would encourage anti-vaccination attitudes and lead to another surge in infections.

    The measure gained momentum as Tennessee's vaccination rollout — one of the slowest in the nation — has fallen drastically. Authorities statewide have moved to loosen regulations, and Gov. Bill Lee announced Tuesday COVID-19 was no longer a public health emergency in the state.

    Infections have remained low in the state, but demand for vaccines stalled as vaccine hesitancy has persisted among some Tennesseans — particularly Republicans. Lee and Health Commissioner Dr. Lisa Piercey said they hope to launch a media campaign in the next months to battle hesitancy and misinformation about vaccine safety.

    Supportive lawmakers cite misinformation, individual rights
    But misinformation has come from within the walls of the legislature.

    Sen. Janice Bowling, who sponsors the legislation, previously argued COVID-19 vaccines could cause genetic modification — a theory debunked by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Bowling, R-Tullahoma, also downplayed the scale of the COVID-19 pandemic Wednesday morning by falsely claiming data shows the disease is "no longer a pandemic." The deadly disease, which has killed almost 570,000 Americans and more than 12,000 Tennesseans, has remained a pandemic since the World Health Organization made the declaration March 2020.

    Sen. Frank Niceley, R-Strawberry Plains, said Wednesday he believes a healthy diet could deter the coronavirus. He said 70% of the COVID-19-related deaths were linked to obesity, whereas data from the CDC shows only 20% of the deaths nationwide were linked to diabetes.

    "Obviously, they are getting too much food or the wrong food," he told lawmakers Wednesday. "I think if you've got your weight right, and your lifestyle right, and your diet right ... I don't think this virus will bother you."

    Others, such as Sen. Mark Pody, R-Lebanon, said the bill would allow people the right to choose what's best for their health. A similar measure championed by him had failed in a House committee earlier in the session.

    "People have chosen, on their own, with the data in front of them, to say, 'I know what's best for me and my family,'" said Pody, who, without much success, sponsored a bill this year allowing men who impregnate women to veto an abortion.

    Knoxville Republican: 'All they do is perpetuate COVID'
    The bill drew bipartisan concerns on the Senate floor Wednesday. Sen. Richard Briggs, R-Knoxville, attacked the measure as one that could undermine the state's progress during the pandemic.

    Briggs unsuccessfully pushed to remove the "rights of conscience" language from the bill Wednesday. Briggs, along with Lt. Gov. Randy McNally, R-Oak Ridge, joined Democratic senators in voting against the initiative.

    Briggs appeared to cite a Supreme Court case from 1905 when the court upheld state authority to implement vaccine mandates. The court, he said, recognized the right of government to protect the community from public health threats, unless the regulations pose a "plain and palpable invasion" of rights.

    "The COVID vaccination does protect us. It does allow us freedom, it does allow us to pursue happiness," he said. "There is a substantial benefit that it protects the public health. There is no plain and palpable invasion of your rights, which is arbitrary and unreasonable."

    Briggs, a physician, attacked other measures seeking to restrain government control over public health emergencies. Lawmakers filed a slew of bills this year cutting back government authority over COVID-19 regulations, including mask mandates, social meetups and church gatherings.

    "Now we are passing bills that say on our citizens, we are not going to allow them to have the freedom from fear of catching a terrible disease," he said. "We've probably have a dozen or more bills that have been brought before this body, that all they do is perpetuate COVID. I don't know of a single bill that we've had that makes the situation better."

    Sen. Jeff Yarbro, D-Nashville, said Thursday the law could lead to unintended consequences as the threat of the pandemic still looms. Variants of the virus are still spreading globally, he said.

    "We don't know the future here," Yarbro said.

    Sen. Heidi Campbell, D-Nashville, said 700 health care workers have signed a letter by the Tennessee Public Health Association opposing the legislation.

    "This threatens their lives," she said. "They have to deal with the public health realm with individuals on a daily basis to serve our communities."
    https://www.wsmv.com/news/vaccinatio...7da3bab72.html

    NASHVILLE, TN (WSMV) - A bill that would prevent state or local authorities from requiring COVID-19 vaccinations is moving forward after passing a state Senate committee on Wednesday.

    Senate bill 187 would prohibit anyone from requiring a person to be vaccinated for COVID-19.

    A few dozen people arrived on the steps of the capitol Wednesday to show their support for the bill. They said they don't want to be required to put something like a vaccine into their bodies and want to maintain religious exemptions.

    There's also similar efforts ongoing to make sure Tennessee children aren't required to receive the vaccine for school.

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    KTXL) — The California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control says they arrested the owner Old Corner Saloon in Clements for allegedly selling fake COVID-19 vaccination cards.

    ABC says they were first tipped off by the San Joaquin County Sheriff’s Office about the creation of fake vaccination cards weeks ago.

    In April, undercover agents went to the bar and say they were able to buy the fake laminated vaccination cards on several occasions, purchasing them for $20 each.

    ABC says the owner, Thomas Anderson, was caught red-handed during a raid Tuesday.

    “He was in possession of a number of filled out COVID-19 vaccination cards, a laminating machine, laminate and several other cards that were finished. And it appears that they were waiting to be given to people,” said Luke Blehm with ABC.

    Investigators say they saw others buy cards too, adding that Anderson also had an unregistered firearm on him at the time of his arrest.

    Blehm says the vaccination card crimes here may be a first of its kind.

    “That we know of, this is the only case that’s ever been done — even nationwide possibly,” he told FOX40. “We did some research to try to find similars. They may be out there, but we just don’t know and haven’t seen them.”

    ABC says they have written up a criminal complaint against another employee at the bar, but it is up to the San Joaquin County District Attorney’s office whether to charge that person.

    The bar will remain open but FOX40 has been told their license could be revoked as the investigation continues.

    The FBI issued a warning in April that it is illegal to sell or buy fraudulent COVID-19 vaccination cards after fake vaccination cards began popping up for sale online.

    “It’s a federal crime here in the US. It’s also fraud and could be charged under forgery,” said Don Vilfer, the president of Digital Evidence Ventures and former FBI agent.

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    In early April, dozens of maskless churchgoers in northwest Oregon stood onstage singing and clapping inside a packed indoor venue for Easter Sunday service. The Peoples Church, which previously sued the state over coronavirus restrictions, hosted three similar indoor services that day, each lasting a little over an hour.

    Days later, the state?s health authority began investigating a potential outbreak at the Salem church.

    Now, the Oregon Health Authority says that at least 74 people associated with the church have tested positive for the coronavirus ? one of the state?s largest workplace outbreaks.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ovid-outbreak/
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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    In early April, dozens of maskless churchgoers in northwest Oregon stood onstage singing and clapping inside a packed indoor venue for Easter Sunday service. The Peoples Church, which previously sued the state over coronavirus restrictions, hosted three similar indoor services that day, each lasting a little over an hour.

    Days later, the state?s health authority began investigating a potential outbreak at the Salem church.

    Now, the Oregon Health Authority says that at least 74 people associated with the church have tested positive for the coronavirus ? one of the state?s largest workplace outbreaks.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ovid-outbreak/
    No worries. Jesus doesn't want them to get the evil vaccine and he will protect them. This is like the old joke about the guy on the rooftop with rising floodwaters who turns down the helicopter and boats that come to save him because he says Jesus will save him. When he dies he asks Jesus why he didn't save him and Jesus says "who do you think sent the boats and helicopter?". I don't understand why religious people think science is against god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    No worries. Jesus doesn't want them to get the evil vaccine and he will protect them. This is like the old joke about the guy on the rooftop with rising floodwaters who turns down the helicopter and boats that come to save him because he says Jesus will save him. When he dies he asks Jesus why he didn't save him and Jesus says "who do you think sent the boats and helicopter?". I don't understand why religious people think science is against god.
    Because they're stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    No worries. Jesus doesn't want them to get the evil vaccine and he will protect them. This is like the old joke about the guy on the rooftop with rising floodwaters who turns down the helicopter and boats that come to save him because he says Jesus will save him. When he dies he asks Jesus why he didn't save him and Jesus says "who do you think sent the boats and helicopter?". I don't understand why religious people think science is against god.
    Exactly! Who do they think made scientists?
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    So my mom is going on a cruise in July, and they were thinking about making vaccinations for all passangers mandatory, but the cruise takes off from a Florida port, and DeSantis doesnt agree with it. I think its a good idea.


    Fucking DeSantis

    I had an article saying that cruises are threatening to go elsewhere, but the link wouldnt work. It was from MSN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    So my mom is going on a cruise in July, and they were thinking about making vaccinations for all passangers mandatory, but the cruise takes off from a Florida port, and DeSantis doesnt agree with it. I think its a good idea.


    Fucking DeSantis

    I had an article saying that cruises are threatening to go elsewhere, but the link wouldnt work. It was from MSN.
    The cruise lines want to do it, but DeSansBrains says no business can do it. Some (colleges, hospitals) are making it mandatory though. Disney wants to fight his too. They are all good with businesses doing whatever they want as long as it's screwing the general population, but if they GOP thinks a business is doing something that might hurt the GOP then they don't want to allow businesses to be thought of as people anymore...unless it's for campaign donations.

    The CDC is saying cruise lines must make sure employees and passengers are vaccinated. So this may get interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    The cruise lines want to do it, but DeSansBrains says no business can do it. Some (colleges, hospitals) are making it mandatory though. Disney wants to fight his too. They are all good with businesses doing whatever they want as long as it's screwing the general population, but if they GOP thinks a business is doing something that might hurt the GOP then they don't want to allow businesses to be thought of as people anymore...unless it's for campaign donations.

    The CDC is saying cruise lines must make sure employees and passengers are vaccinated. So this may get interesting.
    My mom will only go if everyone is vaccinated, but I have little faith that will happen.

    I.do.not.get.it people will go out of their way to get a fake vaccination card, but wont get a FREE shot. I think it should be mandatory for everyone that is healthy enough to get one.

    My moms friend got a double kidney transplant and was on anti-rejection meds, her doctor advised her not to get the shot, and now she has COVID and is on a vent. My mom says she wont make it. Its not her fault she didnt get the vaccine, its everyone else around her that could have gotten it that didnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    My mom will only go if everyone is vaccinated, but I have little faith that will happen.

    I.do.not.get.it people will go out of their way to get a fake vaccination card, but wont get a FREE shot. I think it should be mandatory for everyone that is healthy enough to get one.

    My moms friend got a double kidney transplant and was on anti-rejection meds, her doctor advised her not to get the shot, and now she has COVID and is on a vent. My mom says she wont make it. Its not her fault she didnt get the vaccine, its everyone else around her that could have gotten it that didnt.
    I totally agree that everyone should have to get the shot unless you are truly medically unable to. I have read that people who have organ transplants don't get anything out of the vaccine because of the anti immunity meds they take, so your mom's friend is having to rely on everyone else to get to herd immunity...and it doesn't look that is going to happen.

    Is this the article?

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/n...ons/index.html

    Major cruise ship company may avoid Florida if state doesn't permit Covid-19 vaccination checks

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    I totally agree that everyone should have to get the shot unless you are truly medically unable to. I have read that people who have organ transplants don't get anything out of the vaccine because of the anti immunity meds they take, so your mom's friend is having to rely on everyone else to get to herd immunity...and it doesn't look that is going to happen.

    Is this the article?

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/n...ons/index.html

    Major cruise ship company may avoid Florida if state doesn't permit Covid-19 vaccination checks
    Yes thats the article, thanks.

    Anyone who has been on a cruise knows you are in very close contact with people. My mom and step dad were on a cruise where there was a Norovirus outbreak. My step dad got it, and was so sick he went back into A-fib.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    Yes thats the article, thanks.

    Anyone who has been on a cruise knows you are in very close contact with people. My mom and step dad were on a cruise where there was a Norovirus outbreak. My step dad got it, and was so sick he went back into A-fib.
    They've used ships to quarantine the sick together and away from the healthy population. Even a toddler knows that going on a cruise means that you're drinking, eating, washing and sleeping with everyone else's germs for two weeks.
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