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    Ukrainian 737-800 PS752 crashes in Iran shortly after takeoff, killing 176 on board

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...860_story.html more at link.

    U.S. officials have ?high confidence? that an Iranian antiaircraft missile brought down a Ukrainian passenger jet near Tehran, killing all 176 aboard, a U.S. official said. Here?s what we know:

    ●President Trump said the plane downing was likely a ?mistake.? European intelligence officials reached the same assessment.

    ●Iran?s antiaircraft systems include Russian-made Tor missiles.

    ●Ukraine?s investigators include specialists who helped investigate the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which was hit by a missile over a rebel-held area of Ukraine.

    ●Iran will not send flight data recorders to Boeing for analysis, but U.S. investigators may take part in the probe.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/polit...ane/index.html
    Canada and Britain's leaders said Thursday that they have intelligence a Ukrainian airliner was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile.
    "This may have been unintentional," Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said at a press conference in Ottawa.
    "There is now a body of information that the flight was shot down by an Iranian Surface to Air Missile. This may well have been unintentional. We are working closely with Canada and our international partners and there now needs to be a full, transparent investigation," British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a statement.
    "The UK continues to call on all sides urgently to deescalate to reduce tensions in the region," the statement added.

    Trudeau has called for a thorough investigation into what caused the crash but would not provide additional details about the evidence and intelligence he cited.
    CNN reported earlier Thursday that the US increasingly believes Iran mistakenly shot down the airliner, according to multiple US officials. The working theory is based on continuing analysis of data from satellites, radar and electronic data collected routinely by US military and intelligence.
    A US official familiar with the intelligence said the plane was shot down by two Russian made SA-15 surface to air missiles. The US saw Iranian radar signals lock onto the jetliner, before it was shot down.
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    IDK, I am skeptical. It would be super convenient for Trump and his boys (and Boeing) for it to be a missile from Iran. With all the deep fakes out there these days the video (from where, from when????) that purports to show a missile hitting an airplane means nothing to me. I am not saying Iran couldn't have done it, just that it seems way too convenient and I would like someone neutral to prove that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    IDK, I am skeptical. It would be super convenient for Trump and his boys (and Boeing) for it to be a missile from Iran. With all the deep fakes out there these days the video (from where, from when????) that purports to show a missile hitting an airplane means nothing to me. I am not saying Iran couldn't have done it, just that it seems way too convenient and I would like someone neutral to prove that.
    Especially filmed at night from someone's car with their shaky ass hands.
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    Iran Says It Unintentionally Shot Down Ukrainian Airliner

    After maintaining for days that there was no evidence to show one of its missiles had struck the plane, the Iranian military said it was an accident caused by human error.

    Iran announced early Saturday that it had accidentally shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, blaming human error because of what it called the plane’s sharp, unexpected turn toward a sensitive military base, according to a statement issued by the country’s military.

    The announcement reversed Iran’s claims that mechanical issues caused the crash of the aircraft on Wednesday, which killed all 176 people aboard. It had persistently denied that Iranian military defenses had downed the aircraft, a Boeing 737-800.

    The Iranian military's statement said the plane “took the flying posture and altitude of an enemy target” as it came close to an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps base. It said that “under these circumstances, because of human error,” the plane “came under fire.”

    The statement said that the person responsible for shooting down the plane would face legal consequences, and that the military would undertake “major reform in operations of all armed forces” to make sure that such an error never happened again. It said Revolutionary Guard officials had been ordered to appear on state media and give the public a full explanation.

    International pressure had been building on Iran to take responsibility. American and allied intelligence assessments have said that Iranian missiles brought down the plane, most likely by accident, amid the heightened tensions between the United States and Iran.

    In a statement of his own on Saturday, Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, tried to place some of the blame on the United States, saying on Twitter that the disaster was “caused by U.S. adventurism led to disaster.”

    State television in Iran aired footage that it said showed two black boxes recovered from the crash site. Processing their data could take more than a month, and the investigation could take up to two years, Hassan Rezaeifar, the head of the Iranian investigation team, said Friday.

    The State Department had no immediate comment late Friday about Iran’s admission of responsibility.

    On social media, Iranians began expressing anger toward the military soon after the announcement, many of them using the term “harshest revenge,” which officials had repeatedly promised in the wake of the American drone strike that killed Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, a powerful Revoliti last week.

    “They were supposed to take their harsh revenge against America, not the people,” wrote Mojtaba Fathi, a journalist.

    Suspicions that an Iranian missile had brought down the plane began immediately after the crash Wednesday morning — just hours after Iran fired missiles at two bases in Iraq housing American forces.

    The Iranians had asked the National Transportation Safety Board to help with the investigation, and the State Department had granted waivers to allow the American agency to help. A senior administration official said Friday that he thought the Iranians wanted American investigators there to keep up the appearance that they did not know what had caused the crash.

    The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss these matters publicly, said the Iranian military had poor command and control, and this was reflected in what had happened with the airplane. Communications among officials and between units are often lacking, he said, and confusion can be the norm. Western analysts often overestimate the capability of parts of the Iranian military, he said.

    Official Iranian news media had cited technical problems as the cause in the hours after the crash. Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization chief, Ali Abedzadeh, doubled down on that assessment on Friday, saying nothing could be determined until the data from the black boxes was analyzed, and he characterized statements made by other nations as politically motivated.

    The military announcement came as something of a surprise. As late as Friday night, officials were weighing whether to blame faulty jet equipment in acknowledging that Iranian missiles brought down the jet, according to four Iranians familiar with the deliberations.

    Until Saturday, Ukraine’s main intelligence agency, known as the S.B.U., said only that it had narrowed the cause of the crash to a missile strike or a terrorist act and that it could not confirm Western intelligence that an Iranian missile system was likely to blame.

    An Iranian report released on Thursday said that the plane, bound for the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, was in flames before it hit the ground but sent no distress signal.
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    Video verified by The New York Times and published on Thursday appeared to show a missile fired from Iranian territory hitting the plane, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752. The video showed a small explosion as the plane flew above Parand, a city near the airport — where it stopped transmitting its signal before it crashed. The plane turned back toward the airport before it exploded and crashed, other videos verified by The Times showed.

    When Iran began firing missiles early on Wednesday in retaliation for the killing of Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani by the United States in Baghdad, international airlines rerouted flights away from Iran, and the Federal Aviation Administration barred American carriers from the airspace in the region.

    After the crash, experts raised questions about why Iranian authorities had not stopped flights in and out of Tehran.

    In Iran, a debate over how much blame the government bears threatened to destroy the national solidarity that followed the country’s conflict with the United States. Many Iranians said that their anger over the lack of accountability at the highest levels of government had quickly returned.

    On Friday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the United States and its allies had intelligence showing that the passenger jet had been shot down.

    “We do believe that it’s likely that the plane was shot down by an Iranian missile,” Mr. Pompeo said at a briefing at the White House announcing new sanctions against Iran. “We’re going to let the investigation play out before we make a final determination. It’s important that we get to the bottom of it.”

    Mr. Pompeo was the first American official to publicly confirm the intelligence assessments.

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada, citing a preliminary review of the evidence, called for a full investigation “to be convinced beyond all doubt.” The jetliner was carrying 57 Canadians among its 176 passengers and crew.

    “We recognize that this may have been done accidentally,” Mr. Trudeau said at a news conference in Ottawa. “The evidence suggests very clearly a possible and probable cause for the crash.”

    President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine made clear on Friday that Western governments had not initially shared the evidence underpinning their assessments that Iran had brought down the Ukrainian jet, though later a spokeswoman said that American officials had handed over more information.

    Ukrainian officials also analyzed the plane’s flight pattern on Friday and determined it had stayed within the normal corridor for flights out of Tehran’s Imam Khomeini International Airport, Ukraine’s foreign minister, Vadym Prystaiko, said at a news conference.

    The crash has presented Mr. Zelensky, a 41-year-old comedian who swept into office with a surprising election victory last spring, with the most urgent crisis of his short tenure. And its aftermath has the potential to open a fresh rift between Ukraine and its most important Western allies.

    Mr. Zelensky has already turned into an unwilling player in United States domestic politics as a result of President Trump’s pressure campaign seeking announcements of investigations by Ukraine that could benefit him politically. Now, Mr. Zelensky is stuck in the middle of an even more volatile American crisis: the conflict with Iran.

    Mr. Zelensky needs Iranian cooperation to deliver the full-fledged investigation of the disaster that he has pledged to Ukrainians. But he also needs the data collected by Western intelligence — as well as continued Western support in Ukraine’s conflict with Russia.

    “Our goal is to ascertain the undeniable truth,” Mr. Zelensky said in a statement on Friday. “We believe this is the responsibility of the whole international community before the families of the dead and the memory of the victims of the catastrophe.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/w...ztwm4qcO9PEyAs
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    So once again all these insecure men playing war with each other have cost a lot of innocent people their lives.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/w...5-history.html

    Iranian Jet Crash Has Eerie Historical Parallel
    Yep. Then there was this one... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberi...es_Flight_1812

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And another bunch of innocent people lose their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    So once again all these insecure men playing war with each other have cost a lot of innocent people their lives.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/w...5-history.html

    Iranian Jet Crash Has Eerie Historical Parallel
    You're right. If Hillary was president this wouldn't have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S281Saleen160 View Post
    You're right. If Hillary was president this wouldn't have happened.
    Maybe not. Surely you have to admit that Cheeto has stirred the shit hard in this region lately and inflamed all kinds of problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Maybe not. Surely you have to admit that Cheeto has stirred the shit hard in this region lately and inflamed all kinds of problems.
    That region has been in turmoil and has had all kinds of problems for thousands of years. Thousands! I'm not exactly sure when the whole 'death to America' started but I do believe the shit stirring started in 1990/91 when George HW Bush invaded Iraq for no reason, well, there was a reason, that reason being oil.

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