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    Ukrainian 737-800 PS752 crashes in Iran shortly after takeoff, killing 176 on board

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/08/busin...ash/index.html

    A three-year old Boeing 737-800 jet operated by Ukraine International Airlines crashed soon after takeoff from Tehran's international airport early Wednesday, killing all 176 people on board.

    Iranian aviation authorities have begun an investigation. An early report from Iran's semi-official news agency ISNA blamed some kind of engine failure. But Ukrainian officials say it's too early to determine the cause, and Ukraine's embassy in Iran retracted a statement that also attributed the crash to an engine malfunction.

    The 737-800 is not the 737 Max, which has gotten so much attention since two fatal crashes caused the grounding of the jet worldwide in March of 2018. All those planes remain grounded.

    But the 800 version of the jet, also known as a 737 Next Generation or NG, has had its own problems. Boeing has delivered about 6,700 of these jets to airlines around the world.

    In April 2018, parts of the engine on a Southwest Airlines (LUV) flight hit the side of the plane and shattered a window after a fan blade broke. The cabin depressurized and the woman sitting next to the window was killed.

    In November 2019, the US National Transportation Safety Board recommended that Boeing redesign the outer covering of the planes' engines to prevent it from flying into the plane should a fan blade break on a future flight. It said that all Boeing 737 Next Generation series airplanes should be retrofitted with whatever fix Boeing comes up with.

    Boeing said in November it is working on a fix for the jet covers.

    But the 737 NG has other problems. Cracks have been discovered on structural supports that hold the wings in place, and several dozen have been grounded as a result. But while the FAA has ordered inspections, most of the 737 NGs have continued to fly.

    The investigation will be made more difficult by where the crash took place, just outside Tehran, in the midst of rising tensions between Iran and the United States.

    Iran says it will not hand over the black boxes from the Ukrainian Airlines Boeing 737 to American authorities. Speaking to Iran's semiofficial Mehr news agency, the head of Iran's Civil Aviation Authority, Ali Abedzadeh said that the black boxes would be analyzed in the country where the accident took place, in accordance with International Civil Aviation Organization rules. He also said Ukrainian investigators would be a part of the process.

    "We will not give the black box to the manufacturer [Boeing] or America," he said.

    Tensions between the United States and Iran have escalated after the recent US strike that killed Iranian military commander Qasem Soleimani. Iran fired missiles late Tuesday at two Iranian bases in Iraq where American military personnel are located. Initial reports indicated there were no fatalities from that attack, which occurred just hours before the plane crash.
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...id=mailsignout

    The Iranian Students’ News Agency, a state-run media organization, shared a video it said showed the predawn crash, with an aircraft, apparently in flames, descending in the distance before a bright burst filled the sky upon impact.

    Qassem Biniaz, an official at the Iranian Ministry of Roads and Urban Development, told the Islamic Republic News Agency, the government’s official news agency, that an engine caught fire and the pilot was unable to regain control. Ukraine International Flight 752 left Imam Khomeini International Airport in Tehran at 6:12 a.m. on Wednesday and lost contact at 6:14 a.m., according to a flight tracker.

    Iranian news organizations tied to the government referred to technical problems with the plane, but they did not elaborate or cite any evidence. Later, the head of Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization, Ali Abedzadeh, told the semiofficial Mehr News Agency that so far, there was no evidence of technical problems.

    The disaster has the potential to add to the crisis at Boeing, which has been dealing with the fallout from two crashes involving a different model of jet.

    After the crash, Ukraine’s Embassy in Iran initially issued a statement ruling out terrorism or a rocket attack as a cause of the crash. But the statement was later removed from the embassy’s website and replaced by a statement saying it was too early to draw any conclusions.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...kI4?li=BBnb7Kz

    Sixty-three Canadians, including two recently married couples, were among the 176 passengers who were killed when a Ukrainian jet crashed in Iran on Wednesday.

    Canadian newlyweds Arash Pourzarabi, 26, and Pouneh Gourji, 25, from Edmonton, had gone to Iran to be married.

    The couple were computer science students from the University of Alberta. Four members of their wedding party were also on board.

    Siavash Ghafouri-Azar and Sara Mamani, of Montreal, were also recently married. According to LinkedIn, Mamani was an engineer at Bombardier and Ghafouri worked as a performance specialist at Pratt and Whitney Canada.

    Many of the dead were Canadian-Iranian's flying back from the winter break.

    The University of Guelph in Canada said two PhD students, as well as the partner of one of the students died. Ghanimat Azhdari was a student in the department of geography and Milad Ghasemi was a student in marketing. Azhdari's partner, Hamed Alibeiki, also died.

    Western University said four of their students died. Three were current graduate students and one was an incoming graduate student. They did not name the students.

    Doctoral candidate, Mari Foroutan, 37, who attended the University of Waterloo in Ontario, died in the crash.

    Payman Paseyan, a member of the Iranian-Canadian community in Edmonton, Alberta, said about 27 people from Edmonton, including international students and a family of four that he knew, were on the flight.

    A family from Edmonton, Canada, was also wiped out. Pedram Mousavi, 47, and his wife Mojan Deneshmand, 43, who both work at the University of Alberta, Canada, also died along with their two young daughters Daria, 14, and Darina 10.

    He said most of victims were visiting family in Iran over the holidays. He said many were dual citizens and many were international students.

    'One of the reasons why you take that flight is you wouldn't want to take a flight that has a connection in the United States because international students can't do that,' he said.

    According to Global News, Masoumeh Ghavi, of Nova Scotia, was studying engineering at Dalhousie University.

    She and her sister, Mandieh Ghavi, were killed in the crash as they were traveling back to Canada. They were in Iran visiting family for the holidays.

    Husband and wife, Ardalan Ebnoddin Hamidi and Niloufar Razzaghi, were killed along with their teen son, Kamyar Ebnoddin Hamidi, while heading home to Vancouver after a holidays.

    A dentistry in Aurora, Ontario confirmed that Parisa Eghbalian, a dentist, and her nine-year-old daughter Reera Esmaeilion died. Eghbalian's husband, Hamed Esmaeilion, is also a dentist at E&E Dentistry, but was not traveling with his wife and child.

    According to Global News, Bahareh Haj Esfandiari, 41, Mehdi Sadeghi, 43, and Anisa Sadeghi, 10, were among the dead.

    The Winnipeg family's deaths were confirmed by Welcome Place, where Esfandiari worked.

    'We are deeply saddened to have learned a recent former employee was on the flight with her husband and daughter travelling back home to Canada after the holidays,' the company shared in a Facebook post.

    Forough Khadem, who worked in immunology and with CancerCare Manitoba, was also confirmed as one of the victims.

    Evin Arsalani, 30, her husband, Hiva Molani, 38, and their one-year-old daughter Kurdia were killed in the crash.

    They were on their way home to Ontario from Iran where they had attended a wedding in December.

    The University of Ontario Institute of Technology announced on Wednesday that Dr Razgar Rahimi, an engineering instructor, at the college, was among the victims killed in the crash.

    In a letter to parents, the principal of Northern Secondary School says the school is grieving the loss of Maya Zibaie, a tenth grade student.

    Arvin Morattab and Aida Farzaneh, of Montreal, were identified by friends as victims from the crash.

    Pedram Jadidi was a civil engineering student at the University of Windsor. He was traveling back to Canada after visiting family for the holidays.

    Hamidreza Setare and Samira Bashiri were living in Windsor. Setare was also an engineer student at the University of Windsor.

    University of Windsor student, Zahra Naghibi, was a PhD candidate at the college's Turbulence and Energy Lab.

    Fifteen children, including a baby born in 2018, were named among the dead which comprised 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three Britons.

    The Iranian regime has insisted the plane's engine caught fire causing a loss of control, but has fueled suspicion of foul-play by refusing to hand over the craft's black boxes.

    Video footage appeared to show the plane already burning before it fell out of the night sky, while pictures at the crash site showed the mangled wreckage peppered with mysterious holes.
    Literally the only place I am seeing the pics with the holes is on facebook "news", which makes me suspicious that it's faked, but IDK.
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...860_story.html more at link.

    U.S. officials have ?high confidence? that an Iranian antiaircraft missile brought down a Ukrainian passenger jet near Tehran, killing all 176 aboard, a U.S. official said. Here?s what we know:

    ●President Trump said the plane downing was likely a ?mistake.? European intelligence officials reached the same assessment.

    ●Iran?s antiaircraft systems include Russian-made Tor missiles.

    ●Ukraine?s investigators include specialists who helped investigate the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which was hit by a missile over a rebel-held area of Ukraine.

    ●Iran will not send flight data recorders to Boeing for analysis, but U.S. investigators may take part in the probe.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/polit...ane/index.html
    Canada and Britain's leaders said Thursday that they have intelligence a Ukrainian airliner was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile.
    "This may have been unintentional," Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said at a press conference in Ottawa.
    "There is now a body of information that the flight was shot down by an Iranian Surface to Air Missile. This may well have been unintentional. We are working closely with Canada and our international partners and there now needs to be a full, transparent investigation," British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a statement.
    "The UK continues to call on all sides urgently to deescalate to reduce tensions in the region," the statement added.

    Trudeau has called for a thorough investigation into what caused the crash but would not provide additional details about the evidence and intelligence he cited.
    CNN reported earlier Thursday that the US increasingly believes Iran mistakenly shot down the airliner, according to multiple US officials. The working theory is based on continuing analysis of data from satellites, radar and electronic data collected routinely by US military and intelligence.
    A US official familiar with the intelligence said the plane was shot down by two Russian made SA-15 surface to air missiles. The US saw Iranian radar signals lock onto the jetliner, before it was shot down.
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    IDK, I am skeptical. It would be super convenient for Trump and his boys (and Boeing) for it to be a missile from Iran. With all the deep fakes out there these days the video (from where, from when????) that purports to show a missile hitting an airplane means nothing to me. I am not saying Iran couldn't have done it, just that it seems way too convenient and I would like someone neutral to prove that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    IDK, I am skeptical. It would be super convenient for Trump and his boys (and Boeing) for it to be a missile from Iran. With all the deep fakes out there these days the video (from where, from when????) that purports to show a missile hitting an airplane means nothing to me. I am not saying Iran couldn't have done it, just that it seems way too convenient and I would like someone neutral to prove that.
    Especially filmed at night from someone's car with their shaky ass hands.
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    Iran Says It Unintentionally Shot Down Ukrainian Airliner

    After maintaining for days that there was no evidence to show one of its missiles had struck the plane, the Iranian military said it was an accident caused by human error.

    Iran announced early Saturday that it had accidentally shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, blaming human error because of what it called the plane’s sharp, unexpected turn toward a sensitive military base, according to a statement issued by the country’s military.

    The announcement reversed Iran’s claims that mechanical issues caused the crash of the aircraft on Wednesday, which killed all 176 people aboard. It had persistently denied that Iranian military defenses had downed the aircraft, a Boeing 737-800.

    The Iranian military's statement said the plane “took the flying posture and altitude of an enemy target” as it came close to an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps base. It said that “under these circumstances, because of human error,” the plane “came under fire.”

    The statement said that the person responsible for shooting down the plane would face legal consequences, and that the military would undertake “major reform in operations of all armed forces” to make sure that such an error never happened again. It said Revolutionary Guard officials had been ordered to appear on state media and give the public a full explanation.

    International pressure had been building on Iran to take responsibility. American and allied intelligence assessments have said that Iranian missiles brought down the plane, most likely by accident, amid the heightened tensions between the United States and Iran.

    In a statement of his own on Saturday, Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, tried to place some of the blame on the United States, saying on Twitter that the disaster was “caused by U.S. adventurism led to disaster.”

    State television in Iran aired footage that it said showed two black boxes recovered from the crash site. Processing their data could take more than a month, and the investigation could take up to two years, Hassan Rezaeifar, the head of the Iranian investigation team, said Friday.

    The State Department had no immediate comment late Friday about Iran’s admission of responsibility.

    On social media, Iranians began expressing anger toward the military soon after the announcement, many of them using the term “harshest revenge,” which officials had repeatedly promised in the wake of the American drone strike that killed Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, a powerful Revoliti last week.

    “They were supposed to take their harsh revenge against America, not the people,” wrote Mojtaba Fathi, a journalist.

    Suspicions that an Iranian missile had brought down the plane began immediately after the crash Wednesday morning — just hours after Iran fired missiles at two bases in Iraq housing American forces.

    The Iranians had asked the National Transportation Safety Board to help with the investigation, and the State Department had granted waivers to allow the American agency to help. A senior administration official said Friday that he thought the Iranians wanted American investigators there to keep up the appearance that they did not know what had caused the crash.

    The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss these matters publicly, said the Iranian military had poor command and control, and this was reflected in what had happened with the airplane. Communications among officials and between units are often lacking, he said, and confusion can be the norm. Western analysts often overestimate the capability of parts of the Iranian military, he said.

    Official Iranian news media had cited technical problems as the cause in the hours after the crash. Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization chief, Ali Abedzadeh, doubled down on that assessment on Friday, saying nothing could be determined until the data from the black boxes was analyzed, and he characterized statements made by other nations as politically motivated.

    The military announcement came as something of a surprise. As late as Friday night, officials were weighing whether to blame faulty jet equipment in acknowledging that Iranian missiles brought down the jet, according to four Iranians familiar with the deliberations.

    Until Saturday, Ukraine’s main intelligence agency, known as the S.B.U., said only that it had narrowed the cause of the crash to a missile strike or a terrorist act and that it could not confirm Western intelligence that an Iranian missile system was likely to blame.

    An Iranian report released on Thursday said that the plane, bound for the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, was in flames before it hit the ground but sent no distress signal.
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    Video verified by The New York Times and published on Thursday appeared to show a missile fired from Iranian territory hitting the plane, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752. The video showed a small explosion as the plane flew above Parand, a city near the airport — where it stopped transmitting its signal before it crashed. The plane turned back toward the airport before it exploded and crashed, other videos verified by The Times showed.

    When Iran began firing missiles early on Wednesday in retaliation for the killing of Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani by the United States in Baghdad, international airlines rerouted flights away from Iran, and the Federal Aviation Administration barred American carriers from the airspace in the region.

    After the crash, experts raised questions about why Iranian authorities had not stopped flights in and out of Tehran.

    In Iran, a debate over how much blame the government bears threatened to destroy the national solidarity that followed the country’s conflict with the United States. Many Iranians said that their anger over the lack of accountability at the highest levels of government had quickly returned.

    On Friday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the United States and its allies had intelligence showing that the passenger jet had been shot down.

    “We do believe that it’s likely that the plane was shot down by an Iranian missile,” Mr. Pompeo said at a briefing at the White House announcing new sanctions against Iran. “We’re going to let the investigation play out before we make a final determination. It’s important that we get to the bottom of it.”

    Mr. Pompeo was the first American official to publicly confirm the intelligence assessments.

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada, citing a preliminary review of the evidence, called for a full investigation “to be convinced beyond all doubt.” The jetliner was carrying 57 Canadians among its 176 passengers and crew.

    “We recognize that this may have been done accidentally,” Mr. Trudeau said at a news conference in Ottawa. “The evidence suggests very clearly a possible and probable cause for the crash.”

    President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine made clear on Friday that Western governments had not initially shared the evidence underpinning their assessments that Iran had brought down the Ukrainian jet, though later a spokeswoman said that American officials had handed over more information.

    Ukrainian officials also analyzed the plane’s flight pattern on Friday and determined it had stayed within the normal corridor for flights out of Tehran’s Imam Khomeini International Airport, Ukraine’s foreign minister, Vadym Prystaiko, said at a news conference.

    The crash has presented Mr. Zelensky, a 41-year-old comedian who swept into office with a surprising election victory last spring, with the most urgent crisis of his short tenure. And its aftermath has the potential to open a fresh rift between Ukraine and its most important Western allies.

    Mr. Zelensky has already turned into an unwilling player in United States domestic politics as a result of President Trump’s pressure campaign seeking announcements of investigations by Ukraine that could benefit him politically. Now, Mr. Zelensky is stuck in the middle of an even more volatile American crisis: the conflict with Iran.

    Mr. Zelensky needs Iranian cooperation to deliver the full-fledged investigation of the disaster that he has pledged to Ukrainians. But he also needs the data collected by Western intelligence — as well as continued Western support in Ukraine’s conflict with Russia.

    “Our goal is to ascertain the undeniable truth,” Mr. Zelensky said in a statement on Friday. “We believe this is the responsibility of the whole international community before the families of the dead and the memory of the victims of the catastrophe.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/w...ztwm4qcO9PEyAs
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    So once again all these insecure men playing war with each other have cost a lot of innocent people their lives.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/w...5-history.html

    Iranian Jet Crash Has Eerie Historical Parallel

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    So once again all these insecure men playing war with each other have cost a lot of innocent people their lives.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/w...5-history.html

    Iranian Jet Crash Has Eerie Historical Parallel
    Yep. Then there was this one... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberi...es_Flight_1812

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And another bunch of innocent people lose their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    So once again all these insecure men playing war with each other have cost a lot of innocent people their lives.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/w...5-history.html

    Iranian Jet Crash Has Eerie Historical Parallel
    You're right. If Hillary was president this wouldn't have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S281Saleen160 View Post
    You're right. If Hillary was president this wouldn't have happened.
    Maybe not. Surely you have to admit that Cheeto has stirred the shit hard in this region lately and inflamed all kinds of problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Maybe not. Surely you have to admit that Cheeto has stirred the shit hard in this region lately and inflamed all kinds of problems.
    That region has been in turmoil and has had all kinds of problems for thousands of years. Thousands! I'm not exactly sure when the whole 'death to America' started but I do believe the shit stirring started in 1990/91 when George HW Bush invaded Iraq for no reason, well, there was a reason, that reason being oil.

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