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    Quote Originally Posted by terps1990 View Post
    That porno stuff is horrible.

    Also in the video it looks like (to me) he was shot from inside the pub. Does it look like that to any one else? It would take me too long to explain why I want to know plus, you would still think I'm insane. TIA
    He was shot by a police officer in the street. You can see the cop near the top of the screen.

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    Oh shit. There's been so much misreporting in this

    https://www.hrc.org/blog/hrc-mourns-...zX8KIO-H-EkkpE

    HRC Mourns Jordan Cofer, One of Nine Victims Killed in Dayton Mass Shooting
    By Helen Parshall August 8, 2019



    HRC is deeply saddened to learn that Jordan Cofer, a 22-year-old transgender man, was among the nine victims killed in a mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio, on Sunday.

    Cofer, who is remembered by friends as ?extremely bright? and ?well-liked,? appears to have been out to a handful of close friends, including one who said in a message to Splinter News: ?He identified with he/him pronouns to people he trusted and knew would support him. Jordan was probably one of the sweetest people you would ever meet, a true saint ... He tried to give the best to everyone.?

    Tragically, Cofer?s death is the 14th known case in which violence took the life of a transgender person in 2019. Of the more than 140 known transgender victims of violence from 2013 to present, approximately two-thirds of those killed were victims of gun violence.

    His death is a tragic reminder that ending the epidemic of gun violence and mass shootings in the U.S. is integral to the fight for LGBTQ equality. When our communities are targeted -- from schools and nightclubs to movie theaters and shopping malls -- LGBTQ people, millions of whom live in communities across this nation, are also at risk.

    Commonsense gun violence prevention measures endorsed by HRC include banning access to assault-style rifles, expanding background checks and limiting the ability for suspected terrorists and those with a history of domestic abuse to access guns.

    According to Everytown for Gun Safety, more than 33,000 gun deaths happen every year.

    Initial reports of Cofer?s death noted his deadname, as he was not widely out.

    The shooting suspect was Cofer's sibling.

    As we continue to mourn the lives lost in Dayton and El Paso, we urge our lawmakers to take a vote on H.R. 8 and other common sense gun violence prevention measures and protect communities across the U.S.

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    https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton...s-year-report/

    Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts was reportedly spotted carrying a gun and protesting at a Ku Klux Klan rally earlier this year.

    The 24-year-old was among the 500 to 600 counter-protesters who attended the May 25 event in opposition of the KKK, according to the Dayton Daily News.

    He spoke briefly with a reporter ? wielding a semi-automatic, AR-style gun similar to the one he used in this past weekend?s shooting, the newspaper says.

    Betts was wearing sunglasses and a bandanna at the time, which reportedly covered his face. There were only nine KKK members in attendance for the rally.

    Betts, a registered Democrat who was said to have been pro-gun control, slaughtered nine people this past weekend and wounded dozens more outside a string of bars in Dayton. He was shot and killed by police.

    Authorities have said that Betts ?was exploring violent ideologies? before the shooting. Former classmates described him as a sick and twisted individual, who often talked about torturing and killing people. He allegedly made ?hit lists? of students he wanted to rape and murder in high school and was also in a ?pornogrind? band ? which released songs about rape, murder, necrophilia and other gruesome acts against women.




    ?He knew it wasn?t normal,? recalled one student earlier this week.

    ?He would cry to me sometimes,? another said, speaking to The Washington Post. ?How he?s afraid of himself and afraid he was going to hurt someone one day. It?s haunting now.?

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    https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/suspec...ansgender-man/

    The “sister” of the Dayton, Ohio, shooter who was killed during the attack identified as a transgender guy — although his family had no idea, according to a report and some of his own social media posts.

    Connor Betts’ 22-year-old sibling was named by authorities as Megan Betts in the days after the mass shooting, with cops releasing a statement saying relatives had lost “a daughter.”

    But he apparently went by the name Jordan Cofer, and identified as a male, although he was only “out” to a small circle of friends, according to Splinter News, which spoke to several of those pals anonymously.

    “Jordan was my closest friend,” one pal told the outlet. “He identified with he/him pronouns to people he trusted and knew would support him. Jordan was probably one of the sweetest people you would ever meet, a true saint, but he was also very scared constantly. He tried to give the best to everyone.”

    One of his friends also confirmed to The Post: “I did know that he was indeed a trans man.”

    On Sunday, the 24-year-old killer drove to a popular strip of bars and restaurants with Jordan — then made him one of the nine victims killed in the slaughter, officials said. Investigators have not yet identified his motive or whether his sibling was an intended target.



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    But his gender likely didn’t play a role in his death because Betts had no clue about his brother’s trans status, a friend told Splinter News.

    “Jordan told me in the past that he was not out to his family, but that could have changed in the past month as we barely spoke of the topic recently,” said the friend. “I do not believe that his gender identity had played a part in his death because of the fact that he wasn’t out to many people.”

    In a Tumblr account that also appears to be his, Jordan describes himself as an “ace poly trans boy with a loving heart and way too much work to do,” according to the outlet, which confirmed that the account was legit through a friend.

    He also used the name Jordan on his Instagram and Twitter page, where he referred to himself at one point as a “guy.”

    “I’m a Samsung guy but I just downloaded iTunes and got an Apple ID,” he wrote in an innocuous tweet to a pal in 2016.

    Dayton police and several other friends of Jordan didn’t immediately return requests for comment Friday. But police said earlier this week they were not aware of his gender identity, according to Splinter News.

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    I haven't heard anything about the sister being a trans male. Not sure what to think of it considering the sources.

    This morning, a friend and I took a walk at Woodland Cemetery. It's huge, gorgeous, an arboretum, and where all the famous Daytonians (Wright bros, Paul Laurence Dunbar, Erma Bombeck, etc.) are buried. The crematorium was operating which is something neither of us had seen before despite visiting there frequently. A worker told us the funeral services for victim Lois Oglesby were being held in a couple hours. It was... heavy.

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    https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-ch...ry?id=64925831




    Federal charges filed against friend of Dayton gunman Connor Betts for allegedly lying on federal firearms forms, authorities say

    By JULIA JACOBO
    Aug 12, 2019, 4:19 PM ET


    Federal charges have been filed against a friend of the gunman who killed nine people in Dayton, Ohio, authorities say.



    Ethan Kollie, 24, allegedly lied on federal firearms forms to purchase his own firearm as well as body armor, 100-round drum magazine and unregulated accessory for an AR-15 weapon that gunman Connor Betts used during the Aug. 4 shooting, according to a criminal complaint filed in the Southern District of Ohio.


    Hours after the shooting, special agents with the FBI and ATF interviewed Kollie at his home in Kettering, Ohio, after he indicated that he had purchased the items for Betts, U.S. Attorney Benjamin Glassman told reporters at a press conference Monday.

    During the course of the initial interview, agents "observed in plain sight" what appeared to be a bong and a pistol and smelled marijuana, Glassman said.



    PHOTO: Ethan Kollie is seen in this undated police handout. Montgomery County Sheriffs Office
    Ethan Kollie is seen in this undated police handout.


    Kollie was interviewed again on Thursday at his place of work, where he allegedly admitted to having done "hard drugs" with Connor as well as marijuana between 2014 and 2015. When agents asked how often he used drugs, he said he had smoked marijuana every day for the past 10 years since he was 14, according to the criminal complaint.

    ATF agents later obtained the Form 4473 Kollie filled out to purchase the pistol they observed at his home.


    When a search warrant was executed at his home, Kollie allegedly admitted to ingesting psychedelic mushrooms and growing them in his home. A pistol, a clear glass bong, a bong and mushrooms were taken from his home and a small bag of marijuana and a revolver were removed, Glassman said.

    He also allegedly stated that he "falsely" indicated on the firearms forms that he was not a user of illegal drugs, saying that he did so because he knew if he answered truthfully he would not receive the firearm, Glassman said.


    A person who unlawfully uses controlled substances cannot possess a firearm, Glassman said, adding that his office "vigorously" prosecutes anyone who falsifies Form 4473.

    Kollie allegedly stated that he purchased and stored the items for Betts at his home to hide them from Betts' parents, Glassman said, adding that in May, Kollie and Betts assembled the upper receiver for the AR-15 in Kollie's home, and a couple of weeks after that, Kollie recalled Betts picking up the magazine drum and body armor after they arrived.


    Kollie was charged with possession of a firearm by a person who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance and with making false statements or representations, according to the criminal complaint. He was arrested and made his initial appearance in court on Friday, Glassman said. He will appear in a detention hearing on Wednesday.

    He could face up a maximum of 15 years in prison if prosecuted, Glassman said. It is unclear if he has retained an attorney.


    Investigators plan to prosecute anyone who is discovered to have "any criminal culpability" or contributed to the events of the shooting, Glassman said. However, there is no evidence that Kollie intentionally participated in the planning of the Dayton shooting, Glassman said.

    Betts, 24, was killed by law enforcement during the shooting.

    Betts allegedly showed signs of extreme misogyny before the shooting, officials briefed on the investigation told ABC News, and he had previously expressed suicidal thoughts and had a fascination with violence, his ex-girlfriend told ABC News.


    Betts had never been charged with any sort of domestic violence despite allegations made by a former acquaintance who allegedly saw him choke a girl he was dating as a teen. Had he been charged, it would have prevented him from obtaining a gun.

    Betts also allegedly made a ?rape list? of female classmates he wanted to sexually assault as well as a ?hit list? that was later found in a school bathroom, The Associated Press reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    This dude is a asshole and a dumb ass. Why wouldn't you think any of what Connor did was suspicious? I would have loved to see the oh shit look in his face when he found out that his friend was the shooter.

    So the parents found out that their daughter was transgendered when she died? Damn. I feel so sorry for their parents.

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    Oh and this is one shooter out of I don't know how many, who probably wasn't racist or a right wing turd. Progress?

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    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...gree/23792959/

    One of the first victims struck by the Dayton shooter during his 32-second rampage that left nine people dead was his younger sister, but whether he intentionally killed her remains unknown more than a week later, the Ohio city's police chief said Tuesday.

    Investigators have "radically different views" on whether Connor Betts targeted his 22-year-old sister, Megan, two hours after they arrived with a friend at a popular strip of nightclubs, Chief Richard Biehl said at a news conference.

    Text messages show the 24-year-old gunman knew his sister and their friend were going to a taco stand minutes before he came down an alley and started shooting, Beihl said.

    "There's a real question whether he could see who was on the other side," the police chief said, adding that its possible investigators may never come up with an answer.

    "If we can't seem to make that call conclusively — that we're divided about how, whether that was intentional or not — I think it's inconclusive," Biehl said.

    Authorities have interviewed witnesses, studied video and reviewed Betts' phone while trying to come up with a motive and other factors that led to the mass shooting Aug 4. So far, there is no evidence he had any help the night of the shooting, Biehl said.

    While they don't know why Betts chose his location or what his motive was, investigators do know a lot about his mindset, including his obsession with and desire to commit a mass shooting, the police chief said.

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    Well I think we can say for certain that at the very least he was completely unconcerned that he could kill or seriously injure them, or he would've planned it at a time when they hadn't literally travelled to the scene with him.

    Either he wanted them dead or maimed, or he wanted them to witness him committing mass murder & be forced to live the rest of their days with those memories. That much is indisputable

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    https://www.wesh.com/article/dayton-...oting/28713287

    The Montgomery County coroner released his preliminary findings into the Dayton mass shooting that killed nine people before police fatally shot the gunman.

    Dr. Kent Harshbarger released his findings at a press conference Thursday afternoon in Dayton.

    The coroner's report revealed two victims in Dayton’s mass shooting were hit by rounds fired by police, but evidence shows this was after they were already fatally shot by the gunman.

    "It is my opinion that all of the deceased victims suffered fatal gunshot wound or wounds from the assailant's weapon," Harshbarger said.

    "While it weighs heavily on us that our response caused harm to these victims, we are comforted that none of our rounds caused the death of any of these innocent people," Harshbarger added.

    The coroner's report also revealed the shooter was found to have cocaine, Xanax and alcohol in his system on the night of the shooting. Harshbarger said authorities also found a bag of cocaine on the body of the gunman.

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    https://www.whio.com/news/local/oreg...gZXTuW2VS2rmO/

    The city is having a bit of trouble trying to decide how to divide the money raised, about $2.25 million, among the victims. A lot of people don't want the Betts' to receive any money because even though their daughter was a victim, their son was the shooter. I think they deserve compensation as much as any other family but that's as an outsider.


    Survivors in the Oregon District mass shooting said during a public input meeting that the more than $3 million in donations given to a charitable fund should be split evenly among survivors and families of victims.

    A volunteer committee will take input from two public meetings Monday to decide how best to distribute the charitable gifts from across the nation given in the wake of the Aug. 4 Oregon District mass shooting that took nine lives.

    A draft protocol for distribution of the money has proposed that 75 percent of the total go to “individual applications” for deceased individuals. That amounts to about $2.25 million to the estates or families (the “applicants”) of the nine people killed on Aug. 4 — about $250,000 each.


    Smaller percentages will be set aside for those injured in the shooting event — but only if applicants can document that they saw a physician or were hospitalized within 48 hours of the Aug. 4 event.


    It’s unclear how many people ultimately will seek a share of the funds.

    Dutch Woods II was crawling on East Fifth Street when he said a bullet grazed his leg and lodged in his elbow in the Aug. 4 shootings. He said he drove himself to a hospital not knowing the bullet was still inside him.

    He pronounced the draft protocol “not fair.”

    “We all felt the pain, ” Woods said. “We all are still hurting from it.”

    He added: “I feel like, if you’re going to divide the money, do the right thing and divide it evenly.”

    At a second event Monday night, Mike Turner, the father of Logan Turner who died in the Oregon District, said another fund may be needed to pay victims fairly.

    "I would want everyone whose been affected by this to be taken care of. If we have to start another fund, let's start another fund," he said.


    Oregon District shooting survivors want donations split evenly
    Jerri Jackson of Springfield is the mother of Matt McQuinn, who lost his life seven years ago in the Aurora, Colo. theater mass shooting. She said she attended Monday’s morning meeting to show her support for those hurt on Aug. 4.

    The families affected will need the money, Jackson believes. She said she has not been able to return to work in the wake of her son’s death. “So we lost that income,” she said.

    “There are a lot of things that are going on,” Jackson said. “I’m still in counseling and on sleep medication.”


    Some survivors were outspoken against Megan Betts’ family receiving donations. Megan Betts was among the victims killed by her brother, Connor Betts.

    “I just think that would be an insult to our community, an insult to people who died and to people who are still hurting,” a woman said at the meeting.

    The timeline for disbursement of the gifts has not changed, foundation President Mike Parks said. The final protocol of disbursement will be published at DaytonFoundation.org on Oct. 1. Applications for funds will be available at that website, also.

    The foundation has consulted with communities who have suffered their own mass shootings and shared charitable funds in the wake of those tragedies.

    “I think the process has been based on best practices,” Parks said Monday. “And it’s a good process.”

    Brother Raymond Fitz, the former University of Dayton president who is co-chairing the volunteer committee overseeing the process, said distribution is a “moral problem that will be projected into a formula.”

    “I don’t believe you can quantify it,” Fitz said. “I believe you can listen to all the perceptions and options out there.”

    Those who wish to apply for funds will have the month of October to do so. Applications will be due by 6 p.m. Oct. 31.

    The foundation’s goal is to distribute funds by late November.

    The shooting victims were: Derrick Fudge, 57; Lois Oglesby, 27; Saeed Saleh, 38; Logan Turner, 30; Nicholas Cumer, 25; Thomas McNichols, 25; Beatrice Warren-Curtis, 36; Monica Brickhouse, 39; and Megan Betts, 22. Police also killed the shooter in the event.
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