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    Chloe Wiegand, 18mo died after she fell from cruise ship window and her grandfather has been charged with negligent homicide

    (CNN)This is not "like the Michael Jackson story, where he was dangling the child out the window," said the attorney for the family whose toddler fell to her death from a cruise ship window this weekend.

    The grandfather of 18-month old Chloe Wiegand didn't dangle and drop her -- she fell because an open glass pane should have been closed securely, said attorney Michael Winkleman at a news conference on Tuesday.

    Chloe fell to her death from deck 11 of a Royal Caribbean cruise ship, Freedom of the Seas, while it was docked in San Juan, Puerto Rico, on Sunday, according to Jos? Carmona, a spokesman for the local Port Authority. Chloe is the child of South Bend Police Officer Alan Wiegand, according to the Indiana police department, and Kimberly Wiegand. Chloe had traveled to San Juan from the mainland with her parents, siblings and four grandparents.

    Winkleman said he was retained by the family on Monday to "set the record straight." As he describes it, the toddler's tragic death is unlike many of the original reports circling the internet.

    Chloe and her grandfather, Sam Anello, were "in the water park on the ship, which is designed for the kids -- kids are meant to be there," said Winkleman. "And there's a whole wall of windows. And the grandfather thought that this window was closed. It turns out, we've come to learn, that ... passengers can open these windows."

    "You have a wall of windows with one hidden hole," said Winkleman. Unknowingly, then, the grandfather places Chloe on the wood railing before the wall of windows, believing Chloe will bang on the glass just like she does at her brother's hockey games, "and the next thing he knows, she's gone," said the attorney.
    After speaking with the grandfather, who was "crying hysterically," Winkleman said he believes that this was a "preventable incident."

    No alcohol was involved, added Winkleman.
    "Kids falling out of windows is nothing new," he said. "There are federal laws and federal standards that are designed to specifically prevent against this -- things like using screens, things like using grids, things like limiting the amount that a window can open."

    Royal Caribbean Cruises said in a statement Monday that it does not plan to comment further on the incident out of respect for the family's privacy: "We are deeply saddened by yesterday's tragic incident, and our hearts go out to the family. We've made our Care Team available to assist the family with any resources they need."
    CNN was reaching out Tuesday to Royal Caribbean and the Puerto Rico Ports Authority for comment on Winkleman's statements.

    Winkleman noted that the Freedom of the Seas ship, which made its maiden voyage in 2006, is older, and none of the newer ships have similar windows that can be opened in the same way.
    "I think Royal Caribbean needs to answer these questions: Why would you ever in a kid's play area put windows that passengers can open? I mean, we've all had that experience where someone walks into a glass sliding door thinking it's not there. This is the inverse of that. It was reasonable for Sam the grandfather to think that this was all glass because from his perspective it was all glass."

    Attorney Michael Winkleman said the death of Chloe Wiegand was a tragic accident that could have been prevented.

    Winkleman is hoping to gain access to the ship and to surveillance footage of the incident.
    "In my view in incidents like this, the video is always key," he said.
    Meanwhile, the family remains in Puerto Rico, waiting for the authorities to release the body of their daughter and for the police to conclude due diligence on the investigation, he said.
    Ultimately, the family does not want this incident to be "just about tragedy," said their attorney, who described Chloe as "a sweet, loving girl." Instead, the Wiegands are hoping to make sure something like this never happens to another family.

    "I do think that there is going to be blame and significant blame on the cruise line," said Winkleman. "I will do everything I can to hold them accountable for what appears to me to be negligence."




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    This is terrible. From what I gather it sounds like the cruise ships fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    This is terrible. From what I gather it sounds like the cruise ships fault.
    He sat the baby on a ledge. He's totally at fault, but it was a accident. I understand because I would probably try to sue too.

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    I saw pics and video of the ship. I am not sure how he couldn't have seen that the window was open-it looked totally different than the closed windows.

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    Grandpa put the child is a position of danger, it was not the cruise ship's fault. And an atty. who specializes in suing cruise ships is there only to "put the story straight" ? sure.
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    I saw pics and video of the ship. I am not sure how he couldn't have seen that the window was open-it looked totally different than the closed windows.
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    After you pointed this out, I looked at the videos too. There's no way you couldn't have noticed. Yes, you need to closely watch a toddler. However, we don't know how the window got opened. An older kid could have opened it. I think the ship should have put windows that couldn't be opened in the kids play area.

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    I certainly don't think it was intentional, but I think Grandpa wasn't really paying that much attention. I think the windows in this area shouldn't be openable, or should have been up so high that no one could fall through them. I definitely think Grandpa was negligent.

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    I change my stance. It sounds like it was negligence on the grandparents part. It’s still really sad, and I feel terrible for the family.

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    Apparently they were on GMA this morning with fingers pointed at the cruise line.

    https://news.yahoo.com/royal-caribbe...132435876.html

    Check out the comments on that article calling “bullshit.” First reports said he lost his grip. Now saying they didn’t realize that one window was open “in the play area,” and had propped her up on the railing to bang on the glass. Multiple comments point out that windows are heavily tinted green on the ship making it obvious if one was open as well as the fact there ARE no windows like that in the play area.

    Attorney hired. Story changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchAClassicGirl View Post
    Apparently they were on GMA this morning with fingers pointed at the cruise line.

    https://news.yahoo.com/royal-caribbe...132435876.html

    Check out the comments on that article calling “bullshit.” First reports said he lost his grip. Now saying they didn’t realize that one window was open “in the play area,” and had propped her up on the railing to bang on the glass. Multiple comments point out that windows are heavily tinted green on the ship making it obvious if one was open as well as the fact there ARE no windows like that in the play area.

    Attorney hired. Story changed.
    I read a few of the comments and I smell a whole lot of fishiness on the family's part.

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    You are on video pretty much everywhere on a cruise ship. I guarantee you the cruise ship has video of what has happened.

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    Fuck I didn’t realize she fell on the cement. Jesus that must have been terrible to witness.

    This may be controversial, but I would never bring my kid on a cruise. Too much shit could happen. That being said, even if the window was closed, why would he put her on the railing and let her go!?! That makes no sense. I feel extremely bad for the parents, but they can’t actually believe it’s the cruise lines fault? They weren’t even there to see what happened. I don’t see them winning their case.
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    Was grandad drinking? I don't see how else you could make a mistake like that? (& that goes for both versions)

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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/us/to...ged/index.html

    The grandfather of a toddler who fell to her death on a cruise ship in July has been charged with negligent homicide in her death, Puerto Rican authorities said.

    Salvatore "Sal" Anello was playing with the girl, Chloe Wiegand, on the 11th floor near a window while the ship was docked in Puerto Rico.

    An attorney for the Indiana family has said Anello sat the girl on rails near the open window, thinking it was closed. Prosecutors allege that Anello "negligently exposed [his granddaughter] through one of the windows," according to a statement from the Puerto Rican Department of Justice.

    The San Juan judge "found cause for arrest against the accused, and imposed a bail of $80,000," the governor's office said.

    Chloe's parents blamed the cruise line company, Royal Caribbean, after the accident, saying the window shouldn't have been open.

    The criminal charges are "pouring salt on the open wounds of this grieving family," said Michael Winkleman, an attorney representing the family in a civil suit he's preparing against Royal Caribbean.

    "Clearly this was a tragic accident and the family's singular goal remains for something like this to never happen again," Winkleman said in a statement.
    It was not clear Monday night whether Anello had a criminal defense attorney.

    The details of the toddler's death have been disputed since the accident. Port Authority officials said Anello sat the girl in the window and lost his balance, and the girl fell to her death.

    Winkleman, however, told media that the toddler loved glass and windows, and her grandfather had placed her on a ledge by a glass wall, but had no idea one window within the wall was open.

    Royal Caribbean "has still not given us the opportunity to view surveillance video they have of the incident," the attorney said.

    Royal Caribbean said after the incident that it was "deeply saddened" by it, and that it had "assisted the authorities in San Juan with their inquiries."
    A preliminary hearing is scheduled for November 20.

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    Hey people, Don't encourage your toddlers to bang on glass if it's not your glass. Think of the person who would have to climb up there to clean the childs prints off the glass. Think of the danger of breaking the glass, and the obvious open window. Gramps is lucky this is the first child he has killed with his luck of judgment.
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    Agreed. It doesn't seem....smart to let a toddler bang on glass. I could totally see a senior losing their balance and letting go of kid, then coming up with another story.

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    I just don't see how the grandfather couldn't have seen the open window.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...royal-n1099576

    The parents of an 18-month-old who fell to her death from an open window on a Royal Caribbean Cruise ship in July are expected to announce Wednesday a lawsuit against the cruise line over the accident that they contend is the company’s fault.

    Alan Wiegand and Kimberly Schultz Wiegand, of South Bend, Indiana, were on a Royal Caribbean Cruise ship in Puerto Rico when their daughter, Chloe, fell out of an open window from the ship's 11th story while she was in the care of her grandfather, Salvatore Anello.

    Anello, who had placed Chloe near a window prior to her fall, has been charged with negligent homicide in her death. The grandfather told CBS News in November that he “thought there was glass” in the window pane, adding that “if there was some kind of warning sign there, we wouldn't have ever been near it.”

    The lawsuit says Chloe was with her mother in a children's water park area on the pool's 11th deck, and that when the mother had to go attend to another matter, Anello came to supervise the child.

    "Mr. Anello was closely supervising Chloe as she played," the suit says. When at one point "Chloe walked over to a nearby wall of glass on the same deck," her grandfather followed her."Unknown to Mr. Anello at that time, this was not, in fact, a wall of fixed glass," the suit says. Instead, some of the glass panes in the middle row could be slid opened by anyone, including other passengers.

    In addition, a wooden rail that was about 18 inches from a windowed wall kept Anello far enough away that he could not tell a window in front of him had been slid all the way open, the suit says.

    Upon reaching the windows, Chloe asked to be lifted up so that she could bang on the glass as she frequently did at her brother’s hockey games, the suit says. Anello lifted her up onto the railing and held her as she leaned forward to bang on the glass that they thought to be in front of them.

    But with no glass in the opening, "she slipped from Mr. Anello’s arms, falling through the open pane and down approximately 150 feet below" onto the pier in San Juan, killing her, the suit says.

    “This is not some freak accident,” the Wiegands' lawyer, Michael Winkleman, told NBC News. “This is something that was a preventable accident.”

    “These windows are entirely not compliant with the standard for windows on cruise ships,” he said.

    “Carnival and [Norwegian Cruise Line] and even newer Royal Caribbean cruise ships have windows that are wholly compliant with these window fall prevention codes,” Winkleman said. The ship from which Chloe fell to her death did not though, he claimed.

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    I can't sue my dad, because he'll have no money left for me in his will when he kicks the bucket.
    Therefore, I'll sue a big cruise line for his negligence.
    Unfortunately, I can see this being settled out of court in favor of the plaintiff.
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    I just feel so bad for the parents of this girl. This is a kind of loss you just don’t get over.

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    I read in an article (I'll get a link if I can find it again) that the grandfather was color-blind. I wonder if that could have made him unable to see that the open window was not the same greenish tint as the rest of them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    This may be controversial, but I would never bring my kid on a cruise. Too much shit could happen.
    I won't even put MYSELF on a cruise! No thank you. Never.

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    Wow.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1117796

    Granddad of toddler who died in cruise ship fall knew window was open, Royal Caribbean says

    The cruise line says video footage proves that the grandfather of Chloe Wiegand knew a ship window was open before he held her up to it.


    (Jan. 17, 2020) The grandfather of a toddler who fell to her death on a cruise ship "unquestionably" knew the window was open before he held the 18-month-old up to it and lost his grip, the cruise line claims in a court filing.

    Royal Caribbean Cruises filed a motion this month asking the federal court in the Southern District of Florida to dismiss a suit by the family of the toddler, Chloe Rae Margaret Wiegand, who died July 7, from a 150-foot fall on a docked vessel in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

    The family announced in December that it was suing Royal Caribbean, claiming that warning signs about open windows could have prevented the toddler's

    The family said the little girl wanted to bang on a window's glass, as she did at the rink at her brother's hockey games. So, grandfather Salvatore Anello lifted her up to a window pane, believing it was closed, the family claims.

    Anello is color blind and couldn't have seen that the window, part of a bank of green-tinted windows on the ship?s 11th floor, was open before he lost control of Chloe and she fell onto a deck below, the family said.

    But Royal Caribbean counters this claim in its motion, which includes a series of still images that the company said were taken from security video and which it says show that Anello knew the window was open before holding Chloe up to it.

    One of the images shows Anello leaning out the window, the court filing says.

    "When he arrives at the open window, and while Chloe is on the floor, Mr. Anello leans his upper-torso over the wooden railing and out of the window frame for approximately eight seconds," the cruise line's court motion says. "Because Mr. Anello had himself leaned out the window, he was well aware that the window is open."

    Separate from the lawsuit by the family and the company's response, prosecutors in Puerto Rico have charged Anello with negligent homicide in his granddaughter's death. Anello was arrested in October and released on an $80,000 bond. He has insisted in media interviews that he is not guilty.

    Royal Caribbean in its court filing on Jan. 8 said that while the "death of Chloe Wiegand is a sad tragedy," the grandfather is entirely to blame.

    "His actions, which no reasonable person could have foreseen, were reckless and irresponsible and the sole reason why Chloe is no longer with her parents," the court motion said.

    NBC News reached out to a lawyer for the toddler's parents, Alan Wiegand and Kimberly Schultz-Wiegand, who live in Indiana, but did not immediately hear back.

    Jose G. Perez-Ortiz, Anello?s lawyer in Puerto Rico, also could not be immediately reached for comment Friday.

    Alan Wiegand is a police officer for the South Bend Police Department in Indiana.



    In a court filing, Royal Caribbean released pictures from security footage, including one that the cruise line says shows Salvatore Anello leaning out of a window through which his granddaughter fell to her death a short time later. U.S. District Court for Southern Florida
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    Sorry for the double ... found the actual video

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    I think he knew and is covering up the truth. Because it's too awful...and he doesn't want to go to prison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Country Mac View Post
    I won't even put MYSELF on a cruise! No thank you. Never.
    I won't ever go on a cruise ship, because I get seasick easily and if someone gets sick, you all get sick.
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