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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    I was the one who voted that Biden would win but Trump would steal the election through legal means. All of his lawsuits have been bullshit and the courts have seen right through them, but I am concerned about this strategy because some of these Republican legislators are almost as unscrupulous as he is.

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    Can Trump override the popular vote?
    Trump is so hated, I think that people will drag him out. There are some brave fearless people out here. I don't think that he'll be able to steal the election. I can't wait until he's out of office. He's g to Twitter jail and Letitia James the NY AG has a few things to talk to him about. My hope is that all of them but especially Jared and Stephen Miller and that vapid bitch Ivanka go to jail.

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    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/politi...ection-nevada/

    LAS VEGAS (KLAS) — A Clark County judge denied a request Friday to deem Nevada’s mail-in voting law unconstitutional and call for a new election.

    The Election Integrity Project had submitted an emergency request for the election to be thrown out, citing allegations of voter fraud and illegal voting. Joel Hanson, the lawyer for the group, cited thousands of cases where people who no longer live in Nevada registered to vote in the state.

    Judge Gloria Sturman said those voters may live out of state temporarily. She said it was in the public interest to keep elected officers in office and that the court has to presume people voted legally until proven otherwise.

    “We’re going to throw out an entire election and have everybody run for office all over again simply because somebody voted who had moved — I’m just really struggling with why on an emergency basis we would throw out an election,” she said.


    Sturman also cited her own race, adding if she threw out the election, she may not have a job on Jan. 1. Nevada elects judges, and Sturman won her uncontested race.

    “An attempt to throw out the entire election and the legal votes of hundreds of thousands of Nevadans without legal justification undermines our election process and our democracy,” Attorney General Aaron Ford said in a statement. “Assembly Bill 4 was enacted because of the coronavirus pandemic and proved to be successful in allowing thousands of citizens to vote and limit their potential exposure to the virus. All evidence shows that Nevada’s election was fair, safe, and secure, and time and again, the Court has agreed. Nevadans voted and chose their president-elect. It’s time to move on.”

    The case was not dismissed and future hearings could be scheduled.

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    Hypocrisy at its finest!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...out&li=BBnb7Kz

    GOP Group Files Pennsylvania Lawsuit to Invalidate State's Mail-in Ballots—All of Them

    GOP Congressman Mike Kelly is leading a new lawsuit filed Saturday morning in Pennsylvania asking a state court to determine that the entire vote-by-mail system violates the state's constitution, and claims that certifying the election results—which shows President-elect Joe Biden won by more than 80,000 votes—should be prohibited.

    The lawsuit is a challenge to Act 77, which was signed by Governor Tom Wolf last year and passed through a GOP-controlled legislature (the Associated Press reported that only two "no" votes were from Republican members). The legislation provided Pennsylvanians the option to vote by mail up to 50 days before an election without providing an excuse, as was previously required for voters using absentee ballots. It also eliminated straight-party ticket voting and moved voter registration dates closer to Election Day.

    However, Kelly argued that the universal mail-in ballot provisions under Act 77 are "unconstitutional" and requested an injunction prohibiting the certification of the election results.

    "Act 77 is the most expansive and fundamental change to the Pennsylvania voting code, implemented illegally, to date," the court filing read.

    "As with prior historical attempts to illegally expand mail-in voting by statute, which have been struck down going as far back as the Military Absentee Ballot Act of 1839, Act 77 is another illegal attempt to override the limitations on absentee voting prescribed in the Pennsylvania Constitution, without first following the necessary procedure to amend the constitution to allow for the expansion."

    The plaintiffs, which include Kelly and seven other Pennsylvania Republicans, argued that the attempt to override absentee voting limitations through the passing of Act 77 was illegitimate since it didn't go through a full constitutional amendment process. Thus, according to the lawsuit, the millions of mail-in ballots cast for the election are "illegal" and shouldn't be counted in the total.

    "A proposed constitutional amendment must be approved by a majority vote of the members of both the Pennsylvania House of Representatives and Senate in two consecutive legislative sessions, then the proposed amendment must be published for three months ahead of the next general election in two newspapers in each county, and finally it must be submitted to the qualified electors as a ballot question in the next general election and approved by a majority of those voting on the amendment," the filing read.

    Kelly argued that the more than 2.5 million mail-in ballots cast are invalid and that the state legislature should choose the winner of Pennsylvania's 20 Electoral College votes.

    The lawsuit stated: "Should the Commonwealth fail to make a choice for presidential and vice-presidential electors at the General Elections, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such manner as the Pennsylvania General Assembly may direct."

    "Plaintiffs respectfully request [...] an order, declaration, and/or injunction that prohibits Defendants from certifying the results of the General Elections which include mail-in ballots which Defendants improperly permitted on a statewide basis; prohibits Defendants from certifying the results of the General Elections which include the tabulation of unauthorized votes, including mail-in ballots which did not meet the Constitutional requirements and, instead, compels Defendants to certify the results of the election based solely on the legal votes," the filing said.

    "[O]r alternatively," the filing continued, "directs that the Pennsylvania General Assembly choose Pennsylvania's electors."

    Kelly won his race for Pennsylvania's 16th congressional district against Democratic challenger Kristy Gnibus during this recent election. The congressman is one of the state's biggest boosters for President Donald Trump, who has not yet conceded the presidential election to Biden.

    Sean Parnell, a Republican who is one of the plaintiffs on the lawsuit—and narrowly lost his congressional race against Democratic incumbent Conor Lamb by 10,000 votes in Pennsylvania's 17th district—previously tweeted his support of the state's mail-in voting process in April.

    "Voting IS a cornerstone of our republic. That's why we must protect the sanctity of the process," Parnell wrote. "Moreover, PA already has a bipartisan system in place for early & mail in voting that can safeguard public health & protect the voting process. Use it!"

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    Yeah file that under "things that will never happen"

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...bc9_story.html
    A lawsuit brought by President Trump?s campaign that sought to block the certification of Pennsylvania?s election results was dismissed by a federal judge on Saturday evening.

    U.S. District Judge Matthew W. Brann granted a request from Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar to dismiss the suit, which alleged that Republicans had been illegally disadvantaged because some counties allowed voters to fix errors on their mail ballots.

    The judge?s decision, which he explained in a scathing 37-page opinion, was a thorough rebuke of the president?s sole attempt to challenge the statewide result in Pennsylvania.

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump?s attorney, personally took charge of the case and appeared at a hearing in Williamsport, Pa., Tuesday in an attempt to justify it. Five other attorneys who represented the president withdrew from the case.

    In his order, Brann wrote that Trump?s campaign had used ?strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations? in its effort to throw out millions of votes.

    ?In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,? Brann wrote.

    Trump was beaten in Pennsylvania by President-elect Joe Biden, who currently holds a lead over the president of more than 81,000 votes. Counties are due to file their official results on Monday to Boockvar, who will then certify the statewide tallies.

    Trump?s campaign sued Boockvar and a group of counties won by Biden, alleging that they had violated the campaign?s constitutional rights by allowing voters to ?cure? administrative errors on their mail ballots.

    Brann wrote on Saturday that Trump?s attorneys had haphazardly stitched this allegation together ?like Frankenstein?s Monster? in an attempt to avoid unfavorable legal precedent.

    In trying to depict ?ballot curing? as illegal, Trump?s attorneys misstated a decision by Pennsylvania?s Supreme Court. Brann noted in his order on Saturday that the court had in fact ?declined to explicitly answer whether such a policy is necessarily forbidden.?

    The president?s campaign sued together with two voters from counties that Trump won, both of whom had their mail ballots rejected because of administrative errors.

    Brann wrote on Saturday that throwing out the election result would not reinstate the pair?s right to vote. ?It would simply deny more than 6.8 million people their right to vote,? the judge wrote.

    Trump?s lawsuit initially included formal allegations that the defendants had also violated the campaign?s rights by preventing Republican observers from watching votes being counted, which the defendants denied.

    Those claims were scrapped in a revised version of the suit filed on Sunday. Giuliani and other Trump advisers initially denied that the claims had been dropped, then said they had ?strategically decided to restructure? the suit, before finally saying in court filings that the claims were removed by mistake.

    Giuliani asked the judge for permission to restore the deleted claims about count observers in a proposed third version of the lawsuit, but his request was dismissed by Brann along with the rest of the campaign?s legal effort.
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    lol at Nestle being some vicious smiter, she's the nicest person on this site besides probably puzzld. Or at least the last person to resort to smiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...bc9_story.html
    A lawsuit brought by President Trump?s campaign that sought to block the certification of Pennsylvania?s election results was dismissed by a federal judge on Saturday evening.

    U.S. District Judge Matthew W. Brann granted a request from Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar to dismiss the suit, which alleged that Republicans had been illegally disadvantaged because some counties allowed voters to fix errors on their mail ballots.

    The judge?s decision, which he explained in a scathing 37-page opinion, was a thorough rebuke of the president?s sole attempt to challenge the statewide result in Pennsylvania.

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump?s attorney, personally took charge of the case and appeared at a hearing in Williamsport, Pa., Tuesday in an attempt to justify it. Five other attorneys who represented the president withdrew from the case.

    In his order, Brann wrote that Trump?s campaign had used ?strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations? in its effort to throw out millions of votes.

    ?In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,? Brann wrote.

    Trump was beaten in Pennsylvania by President-elect Joe Biden, who currently holds a lead over the president of more than 81,000 votes. Counties are due to file their official results on Monday to Boockvar, who will then certify the statewide tallies.

    Trump?s campaign sued Boockvar and a group of counties won by Biden, alleging that they had violated the campaign?s constitutional rights by allowing voters to ?cure? administrative errors on their mail ballots.

    Brann wrote on Saturday that Trump?s attorneys had haphazardly stitched this allegation together ?like Frankenstein?s Monster? in an attempt to avoid unfavorable legal precedent.

    In trying to depict ?ballot curing? as illegal, Trump?s attorneys misstated a decision by Pennsylvania?s Supreme Court. Brann noted in his order on Saturday that the court had in fact ?declined to explicitly answer whether such a policy is necessarily forbidden.?

    The president?s campaign sued together with two voters from counties that Trump won, both of whom had their mail ballots rejected because of administrative errors.

    Brann wrote on Saturday that throwing out the election result would not reinstate the pair?s right to vote. ?It would simply deny more than 6.8 million people their right to vote,? the judge wrote.

    Trump?s lawsuit initially included formal allegations that the defendants had also violated the campaign?s rights by preventing Republican observers from watching votes being counted, which the defendants denied.

    Those claims were scrapped in a revised version of the suit filed on Sunday. Giuliani and other Trump advisers initially denied that the claims had been dropped, then said they had ?strategically decided to restructure? the suit, before finally saying in court filings that the claims were removed by mistake.

    Giuliani asked the judge for permission to restore the deleted claims about count observers in a proposed third version of the lawsuit, but his request was dismissed by Brann along with the rest of the campaign?s legal effort.
    Its a crazy circle here https://fox40.com/news/political-con...sylvania-vote/

    HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — President Donald Trump is appealing a federal judge’s dismissal of his campaign’s effort to block the certification of votes in Pennsylvania.

    The president and other plaintiffs filed notice of appeal to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Sunday, a day after the judge issued a scathing order shooting down claims of widespread irregularities with mail-in ballots.

    The case was always a long shot to stop President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, but given Pennsylvania’s 20 electoral votes at stake, it was the campaign’s best hope to affect the election results through the courts. Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, appeared in court for the first time in decades to argue the case this past week.

    U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters. In seeking such a “startling outcome,” he said, a plaintiff could be expected to provide compelling legal arguments and “factual proof of rampant corruption” — but “That has not happened.”

    The campaign also filed a motion Sunday night asking for an expedited hearing Wednesday as they seek to amend the Pennsylvania lawsuit that Brann dismissed before the state certifies its election results next month.

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    Has any other president done this shit before??


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    yes i said i will leave it under you storage he said cuddle with me i said shut up it over??? what am i doing wrong??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Has any other president done this shit before??
    Nope, never in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Nope, never in history.
    Makes me wonder if some people who voted for him, are regretting it now.


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    yes i said i will leave it under you storage he said cuddle with me i said shut up it over??? what am i doing wrong??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Makes me wonder if some people who voted for him, are regretting it now.
    https://www.youtube.com/c/Republican...stTrump/videos

    Check this link out called Republicans against Trump there are Ex-Republicans who have come forward but this is under fear that Donald Trump's thugs would go after them at the voting booth. This group is a combination of ex-Trump voters and people who left the Republican Party in 2016 coming forward with all the known allegations on Trump.



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    https://abc7news.com/politics/michig...tures/8198624/

    LANSING, Mich. -- Michigan election officials on Monday certified Democrat Joe Biden's 154,000-vote victory in the state amid President Donald Trump's brazen attempts to subvert the results of the election.

    The Board of State Canvassers, which has two Republicans and two Democrats, confirmed the results on a 3-0 vote with one abstention. Allies of Trump and losing GOP Senate candidate John James had urged the panel to delay voting for two weeks to audit votes in heavily Democratic Wayne County, home to Detroit.

    The move is another setback in Trump's efforts to use unconventional means to undermine the results of the Nov. 3 election and comes even after he made direct overtures to Republican officials in the state by inviting them to the White House last week.

    Under Michigan law, Biden claims all 16 electoral votes. Biden won by 2.8 percentage points - a larger margin than in other states where Trump is contesting the results like Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

    *Counties are colored red or blue when the % expected vote reporting reaches a set threshold. This threshold varies by state and is based on patterns of past vote reporting and expectations about how the vote will report this year.

    Some Trump allies had expressed hope that state lawmakers could intervene in selecting Republican electors in states that do not certify. That longshot bid is no longer possible in Michigan.

    Trump's efforts to stave off the inevitable - formal recognition of his defeat - faced increasingly stiff resistance from the courts and fellow Republicans with just three weeks to go until the Electoral College meets to certify Biden's victory. Time and again, Trump's challenges and baseless allegations of widespread conspiracy and fraud have been met with rejection as states move forward with confirming their results.

    Michigan's Board of State Canvassers, which has two Republicans and two Democrats, certified the results despite calls by Trump and allies to the GOP members to block the vote to allow for an audit of ballots in heavily Democratic Wayne County, home to Detroit, where Trump has claimed without evidence that he was the victim of fraud.

    "The board's duty today is very clear," said Aaron Van Langevelde, the Republican vice chair. "We have a duty to certify this election based on these returns. That is very clear. We are limited to these returns. I'm not going to argue that we're not."

    Mary Ellen Gurewitz, an attorney for the state Democratic Party, told the canvassers that attacks on the election results "are part of a racist campaign, directed by soon-to-be former President Trump, to disparage the cities in this country with large Black populations, including Detroit, Philadelphia and Milwaukee."

    "It sometimes feels like officials are attempting to tear up my ballot right in front of me by stalling and recounting until they find a way to change the results," said Wendy Gronbeck, a resident of Douglas. "I've been a voter for over 50 years, and I've never had to think about whether canvassers will certify an election."

    Biden crushed the president by more than 330,000 votes in Wayne County, where two local GOP canvassers who certified the results unsuccessfully tried to reverse course last week after being called by Trump. Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, has said an audit must wait until after statewide certification because only then would officials have legal access to documentation needed to conduct such a review.

    Michigan's elections bureau has recommended that the Nov. 3 results be certified.

    Norm Eisen, a constitutional law expert and former counsel to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee, said there was no legal basis to do anything other than certify the election.

    "That is the clear mandate of state law," he said. Eisen dismissed various claims for why a delay might be necessary, including the need for an audit or time to investigate so-called "out of balance" precincts.

    "The reasons that they have advanced for doing anything other than (certify) is totally spurious. They carry no legal or factual weight whatsoever under the law," Eisen added.

    Trump has tried to defy the results of the election through the courts, but having found no luck there, moved on to personally trying to influence local lawmakers to convince them to ignore the popular vote and appoint Republican electors, a strategy that would send Americans into the streets in protest, election law experts have said.

    Some Trump allies have expressed hope that state lawmakers could intervene in selecting Republican electors in states that do not certify, as the president and his attorneys have pushed baseless allegations of fraud that have been repeatedly rejected in courtrooms across the country. Trump met with top Michigan GOP legislators at the White House on Friday and tweeted over the weekend: "We will show massive and unprecedented fraud!"

    Had the board delayed a vote or opposed certification, a lawsuit was expected. Legal experts have said the canvassers' role is limited and courts would order them to confirm the results. Under state law, it has the narrow responsibilities of reviewing vote numbers from Michigan's 83 counties and certifying them. It does not have the power to audit returns or investigate complaints of irregularities.

    In Pennsylvania, a conservative Republican judge shot down the Trump campaign's biggest legal effort in Pennsylvania with a scathing ruling that questioned why he was supposed to disenfranchise 7 million voters with no evidence to back their claims and an inept legal argument at best.

    But the lawyers still hope to block the state's certification, quickly appealing to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia, which ordered lawyers to file a brief Monday but did not agree to hear oral arguments.

    The campaign, in its filings, asked for urgent consideration so they could challenge the state election results before they are certified next month. If not, they will seek to decertify them, the filings said.

    And they insisted that they did not want to invalidate all of the 6.8 million ballots cast in the state - as Brann concluded based on their arguments in court last week. Instead, they said, they are taking aim only at seven Democratic-leaning counties where they take issue with how mail-in ballots were handled.

    "Appellants seek to exclude the defective mail ballots which overwhelming favored Biden, which may turn the result of the election," they said in a filing Monday said.

    Biden won Pennsylvania by more than 80,000 votes. The other litigation has failed to change a single vote.

    Pennsylvania county election boards were voting on Monday, the state deadline, about whether to certify election results to the Department of State. The boards in two populous counties split along party lines, with majority Democrats in both places voting to certify. After all counties have sent certified results to Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, she must then tabulate, compute and canvass votes for all races. The law requires her to perform that task quickly but does not set a specific deadline.

    In Wisconsin, a recount in the state's two largest liberal counties moved into its fourth day at a slow pace, with election officials in Milwaukee County complaining that Trump observers were hanging up the process with frequent challenges. Trump's hope of reversing Biden's victory there depends on disqualifying thousands of absentee ballots -- including the in-person absentee ballot cast by one of Trump's own campaign attorneys in Dane County.

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    PR ploy for Sympathy

    Four days before this year’s presidential election, Charles Koch — the voluble Kansas billionaire who has spent a fortune injecting his particular brand of prairie libertarianism into the American political debate — pauses at the other end of the line when asked if he will vote for Donald Trump or Joe Biden.

    “That’s a very divisive question, because, however I answer, that’s going to upset a bunch of people,” he says. “That’s why there’s a secret ballot.”

    Koch, whom Forbes calls the 15th wealthiest man in the U.S., says he isn’t interested in more division. At age 85, he says, he is turning his attention to building bridges across partisan divides to find answers to sprawling social problems such as poverty, addiction, recidivism, gang violence and homelessness. His critics are skeptical, noting that his fierce Republican partisanship over the years blew up a lot of bridges.

    Koch has written, with Brian Hooks, a new book, “Believe in People: Bottom-Up Solutions for a Top-Down World,” which is set to be published on Nov. 17. It is part mea culpa, part self-help guide and part road map toward a libertarian America. Along the way, the book traces Koch’s life from hardheaded adolescent to student, engineer, industrialist, tycoon and political mastermind. The book suggests that he wants to add one final act: philosopher and, he hopes, unifier.

    The key to successful, long-term movements? “Unite a diversity of people behind a common goal,” Koch says. “That’s our approach today.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/koch...s-victory.html

    The political advocacy organization backed by billionaire Charles Koch is preparing for life after President Donald Trump as the libertarian-leaning group looks at policies where they may push back and seek possible alliance with President-elect Joe Biden.

    The Koch network has had a mixed relationship with the Trump administration. They cheered for Trump’s tax cuts, business deregulation, push for criminal justice reform and his nominees to the Supreme Court. They fought against his implementation of tariffs and the way he treated those participating in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program.

    The network has been open to backing Democrats in congressional races and refused to help Trump’s bid for reelection. A Koch-backed group known as the Libre Initiative recently supported Democrats, including Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, during his successful primary earlier this year. The Koch-linked Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, backed Republican Senate candidates in 2020.

    Still, that slight change of tune by the network could lead to a different relationship with Biden compared with the often tense battles they had with the former vice president’s old boss, President Barack Obama. The group spent millions against Obama during his 2012 reelection campaign and pushed back on a wide array of his proposals, including the Affordable Care Act.

    “It’s a very different Koch network that Biden didn’t see much of during his years under Obama,” a longtime associate of the organization told CNBC.

    Those who declined to be named in this story did so in order to speak freely.

    The network is keeping a close eye on the Georgia Senate fight to determine its priorities in the coming months, according to others briefed on the matter.

    At least one Senate race in that state, between Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler and Democrat Raphael Warnock, has been called by NBC News to go to a runoff in January. NBC News has yet to determine whether the other race, between Democrat Jon Ossoff and GOP Sen. David Perdue, will also go to a runoff. Americans for Prosperity recently announced it will be involved with an Ossoff-Perdue runoff.

    Both races could decide the fate of which party controls the Senate’s agenda.

    AFP declined to comment for this story. A spokesman for the Biden transition team did not return a request for comment.

    Dan Garza, president of the Libre Initiative, pointed to Biden’s goal of reaching across the aisle to Republicans as a good sign for his organization. He said further reforms to the criminal justice code, immigration policies and trade proposals could be some of the areas where the network may support the president-elect.

    Issues of concern, Garza said, include Biden’s proposal to raise taxes, any move to pack the Supreme Court and what he called a “war on energy production.”

    “I see opportunity, but I do see areas where we are going to have to resist,” Garza said in an interview with CNBC.

    Some of Biden’s reported goals in his first 100 days in office seem to be at least partially aligned with what the Koch orbit has been pushing for in the later stages of Trump’s term.

    Biden, according to The Wall Street Journal, is expected to review the tariffs levied by the Trump administration on a variety of European and Chinese goods. CBS News reported that Biden plans to fully restore the Obama-era DACA program after Trump’s unsuccessful attempts to end it.

    Though Trump did sign a criminal justice reform bill known as the First Step Act, Biden appears to want to build off that. His campaign’s plan mentions the idea of creating a “new $20 billion competitive grant program to spur states to shift from incarceration to prevention” and the need to incentivize states to focus on creating jobs and mentorships as a solution to youth incarceration.

    A person familiar with the network pointed to Obama’s remarks in 2015 mentioning the Koch network for its efforts on criminal justice reform as a sign that Biden could find a way to work with them.

    “You’ve got the NAACP and the Koch brothers,” Obama said at the NAACP annual convention, referring to Charles and his late brother David, who died in 2019. “No, you’ve got to give them credit. You’ve got to call it like you see it,” he said when discussing the groups working to fix the criminal justice system.

    Grover Norquist, the president of the conservative Americans for Tax Reform, told CNBC he’s known the Koch brothers for over 40 years. He supported Trump’s tax cuts and has seemingly opposed all of Biden’s economic proposals. Yet even he admitted that criminal justice reform could be where the Koch network finds common ground with Biden.

    He also hinted, however, that outside of trade agreements, a Biden White House could see a plethora of disagreements with the Koch network.

    “Some trade agreements possible. But not much,” Norquist told CNBC when asked where Biden and Koch could see eye to eye.

    Dan Eberhart, a Republican donor who has attended Koch seminars in the past, says the network might ultimately focus on pushing its goals on trade and protect its other gains.

    “Koch will seek to protect the gains made under the Trump administration on taxes and regulatory reform through the Senate majority,” Eberhart told CNBC. “They may try to reset the trade agenda under Biden, who is certainly more committed to free trade than the Trump administration has been.”

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    OMG, I love these guys!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...out&li=BBnbfcL

    Comedians Buy Trump 2024 Website Domain to Call President a 'Loser'

    Two comedians have purchased and set up a website for DonaldJTrump2024.com. The site largely mocks President Donald Trump for losing the 2020 presidential election and refusing to concede.

    The website looks almost identical to Trump's actual website, DonaldJTrump.com, even using the same main image and font. However, the comedians' website calls Trump a "loser" six times and has a fictional quote from Trump stating, "I lost the 2020 election." None of the website's buttons are linked to any other webpages, essentially making the site just a standalone page.

    The comedians, Jason Selvig and Davram Stiefler who go by The Good Liars, established the website, and wrote to Trump in a November 24 tweet, "Hey @realDonaldTrump we'll give you DonaldJTrump2024.com if you tweet 'My name is Donald Trump and I lost the 2020 election by A LOT. I am a loser. SAD!".

    The website also has a banner proclaiming, "Click here to donate to a PAC that has nothing to do with my legal defense team."

    The banner references Trump's repeated requests to supporters asking them to donate to his "Official Election Defense Fund" for mounting legal challenges seeking to overturn the vote in several key swing states.

    Legal language in Trump's solicitations specify that any donations to his legal fund that are under $8,000 benefit the Republican National Committee or "Save America," a Trump leadership PAC (political action committee), according to Reuters.

    Trump's re-election campaign has filed nearly three dozen lawsuits in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and other states alleging widespread voter fraud in an attempt to toss out thousands of President-elect Joe Biden's votes. At least 30 of these lawsuits have failed, been dismissed or withdrawn by the campaign, according to The New York Times.

    Nevertheless, Trump has repeatedly stated that he won the election. On Thursday morning, he tweeted, "Just saw the vote tabulations. There is NO WAY Biden got 80,000,000 votes!!! This was a 100% RIGGED ELECTION."

    One of The Good Liars' previous pranks targeted the November 2019 book published by the president's son, Donald Trump Jr.. The book is titled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us, but the pranksters printed out an alternate book cover entitled, Daddy, Please Love Me.

    The time we changed the cover of Don Jr’s book and put them in the Young Adult section of Barnes and Noble. pic.twitter.com/9iWEkAs92Q
    — Jason Selvig (@jasonselvig) November 21, 2020

    After placing the new cover on numerous copies of Trump Jr.'s book at a Barnes and Nobles bookstore, the comedians then claimed to have relocated the book to the Young Adult section, the area of the bookstore intended for adolescent readers ages 12 to 18. Donald Trump Jr. is 42 years old.

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    WASHINGTON (AP) ? President Donald Trump said Thursday that he will leave the White House if the Electoral College formalizes President-Elect Joe Biden?s victory ? even as he insisted such a decision would be a ?mistake? ? as he spent his Thanksgiving renewing baseless claims that ?massive fraud? and crooked officials in battleground states caused his election defeat.

    ?Certainly I will. But you know that,? Trump said Thursday when asked whether he would vacate the building, allowing a peaceful transition of power in January. But Trump ? taking questions for the first time since Election Day ? insisted that ?a lot of things? would happen between now and then that might alter the results.

    ?This has a long way to go,? Trump said, even though he lost.

    The fact that a sitting American president even had to address whether or not he would leave office after losing reelection underscores the extent to which Trump has smashed one convention after another over the last three weeks. While there is no evidence of the kind of widespread fraud Trump has been alleging, he and his legal team have nonetheless been working to cast doubt on the integrity of the election and trying to overturn voters? will in an unprecedented breach of Democratic norms.

    Trump spoke to reporters in the White House?s ornate Diplomatic Reception Room after holding a teleconference with U.S. military leaders stationed across the globe. He thanked them for their service and jokingly warned them not to eat too much turkey, then turned to the election after ending the call. He repeated grievances and angrily denounced officials in Georgia and Pennsylvania, two key swing states that helped give Biden the win.

    Trump claimed, despite the results, that this may not be his last Thanksgiving at the White House. And he insisted there had been ?massive fraud,? even though state officials and international observers have said no evidence of that exists and Trump?s campaign has repeatedly failed in court.

    Trump?s administration has already given the green light for a formal transition to get underway. But Trump took issue with Biden moving forward.

    ?I think it?s not right that he?s trying to pick a Cabinet,? Trump said, even though officials from both teams are already working together to get Biden?s team up to speed.

    And as he refused to concede, Trump announced that he will be traveling to Georgia to rally supporters ahead of two Senate runoff elections that will determine which party controls the Senate. Trump said the rally for Republican Sens. David Perdue and Sen. Kelly Loeffler would likely be held Saturday. The White House later clarified he had meant Dec. 5.

    One of the reasons Republicans have stood by Trump and his baseless claims of fraud has been to keep his loyal base energized ahead of those runoffs on Jan. 5. But Trump, in his remarks, openly questioned whether that election would be fair in a move that could dampen Republican turnout.

    ?I think you?re dealing with a very fraudulent system. I?m very worried about that,? he said. ?People are very disappointed that we were robbed.?

    As for the Electoral College, Trump made clear that he will likely never formally concede, even if he said he would leave the White House.

    ?It?s gonna be a very hard thing to concede. Because we know there was massive fraud,? he said, noting that, ?time isn?t on our side.?

    ?If they do,? vote against him, Trump added, ?they?ve made a mistake.?

    Asked whether he would attend Biden?s inauguration, Trump said he knew the answer but didn?t want to share it yet.

    But there were some signs that Trump was coming to terms with his loss.

    At one point he urged reporters not to allow Biden the credit for pending coronavirus vaccines. ?Don?t let him take credit for the vaccines because the vaccines were me and I pushed people harder than they?ve ever been pushed before,? he said.

    As for whether or not he plans to formally declare his candidacy to run again in 2024 ? as he has discussed with aides? Trump he didn?t ?want to talk about 2024 yet.?

    All states must certify their results before the Electoral College meets on Dec. 14, and any challenge to the results must be resolved by Dec. 8. State have already begun that process, including Michigan, where Trump and his allies tried and failed to delay the process, and Georgia and Pennsylvania.

    Vote certification at the local and state level is typically a ministerial task that gets little notice, but that changed this year with Trump?s refusal to concede and his unprecedented attempts to overturn the results of the election through a fusillade of legal challenges and attempts to manipulate the certification process in battleground states he lost.

    Biden won by wide margins in both the Electoral College and popular vote, where he received nearly 80 million votes, a record.

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    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/politi...ction-results/

    LAS VEGAS (KLAS) — A judge threw out a lawsuit filed by Republican Dan Rodimer, saying that the court did not have jurisdiction on the issue. Last week, Rodimer filed his own lawsuit, joining fellow Nevada candidates Jim Marchant and April Becker. Rodimer lost his bid for Congressional District 3 to Congresswoman Susie Lee.

    Clark County Registrar of Voters Joe Gloria were named in the lawsuit, along with the Clark County Board of Commissioners. Rodimer was seeking an order that would force the Clark County Commission to hold a new election for Nevada’s 3rd Congressional District because of a variety of election fraud claims.

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    On Wednesday, the judge in Rodimer’s case also told him that even if he could rule on the lawsuit, he wouldn’t have sided with him.

    Both Jim Marchant and April Becker filed lawsuits as well, and did it on the same day the Trump Campaign. All three take issue with ballot signature verification systems. On Monday, a judge in Las Vegas refused to order a new election for Becker, who argued that ballot discrepancies reported by Clark County’s top elections official might have made a difference in her 631-vote loss to the Legislature’s top Democrat.

    Judge Joe Hardy Jr. said Tuesday that GOP candidate April Becker’s effort to force a re-vote could be re-filed as a contest-of-election against incumbent state Senate Majority Leader Nicole Cannizzaro.
    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/politi...sylvania-race/

    PHILADELPHIA (AP) — President Donald Trump’s legal team suffered yet another defeat in court Friday as a federal appeals court in Philadelphia roundly rejected its latest effort to challenge the state’s election results.

    Trump’s lawyers vowed to appeal to the Supreme Court despite the judge’s assessment that the “campaign’s claims have no merit.”

    “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote for the three-judge panel.

    The case had been argued last week in a lower court by Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who insisted during five hours of oral arguments that the 2020 presidential election had been marred by widespread fraud in Pennsylvania. However, Giuliani failed to offer any tangible proof of that in court.

    U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann had said the campaign’s error-filled complaint, “like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together” and denied Giuliani the right to amend it for a second time.

    The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals called that decision justified. The three judges on the panel were all appointed by Republican presidents. including Bibas, a former University of Pennsylvania law professor appointed by Trump. Trump’s sister, Judge Maryanne Trump Barry, sat on the court for 20 years, retiring in 2019.

    Friday’s ruling comes four days after Pennsylvania officials certified their vote count for President-elect Joe Biden, who defeated Trump by more than 80,000 votes in the state. Nationally, Biden and running mate Kamala Harris garnered nearly 80 million votes, a record in U.S. presidential elections.

    Trump has said he hopes the Supreme Court will intervene in the race as it did in 2000, when its decision to stop the recount in Florida gave the election to Republican George W. Bush. On Nov. 5, as the vote count continued, Trump posted a tweet saying the “U.S. Supreme Court should decide!”

    Ever since, Trump and his surrogates have attacked the election as flawed and filed a flurry of lawsuits to try to block the results in six battleground states. But they’ve found little sympathy from judges, nearly all of whom dismissed their complaints about the security of mail-in ballots, which millions of people used to vote from home during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Trump perhaps hopes a Supreme Court he helped steer toward a conservative 6-3 majority would be more open to his pleas, especially since the high court upheld Pennsylvania’s decision to accept mail-in ballots through Nov. 6 by only a 4-4 vote last month. Since then, Trump nominee Amy Coney Barrett has joined the court.

    “The activist judicial machinery in Pennsylvania continues to cover up the allegations of massive fraud,” Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis tweeted after Friday’s ruling. “On to SCOTUS!”

    In the case before Brann, the Trump campaign asked to disenfranchise the state’s 6.8 million voters, or at least the 700,000 who voted by mail in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and other Democratic-leaning areas.

    “One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” Brann wrote in his scathing ruling on Nov. 21. “That has not happened.”

    A separate Republican challenge that reached the Pennsylvania Supreme Court this week seeks to stop the state from further certifying any races on the ballot. Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf’s administration is fighting that effort, saying it would prevent the state’s legislature and congressional delegation from being seated in the coming weeks.

    On Thursday, Trump said the Nov. 3 election was still far from over. Yet he offered the clearest signal to date that he would leave the White House peaceably on Jan. 20 if the Electoral College formalizes Biden’s win.

    “Certainly I will. But you know that,” Trump said at the White House, taking questions from reporters for the first time since Election Day.

    Yet on Friday, he continued to baselessly attack Detroit, Atlanta and other Democratic cities with large Black populations as the source of “massive voter fraud.” And he claimed, without evidence, that a Pennsylvania poll watcher had uncovered computer memory drives that “gave Biden 50,000 votes” apiece.

    All 50 states must certify their results before the Electoral College meets on Dec. 14, and any challenge to the results must be resolved by Dec. 8. Biden won both the Electoral College and popular vote by wide margins.

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    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/politi...oe-bidens-win/

    LAS VEGAS (AP) — A judge in Las Vegas refused to order a new election for a Republican state Senate candidate who argued that ballot discrepancies reported by Clark County’s top elections official might have made a difference in her 631-vote loss to the Legislature’s top Democrat.

    Judge Joe Hardy Jr. said Tuesday that GOP candidate April Becker’s effort to force a re-vote can be re-filed as a contest-of-election against incumbent state Senate Majority Leader Nicole Cannizzaro. In other election cases, a hearing was set in a voter fraud case filed by Trump campaign attorneys, and another judge was due Tuesday to take up failed GOP candidate Dan Rodimer’s bid for a re-do of voting in his race.

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    In other Election 2020 news, the Nevada Supreme Court made Joe Biden’s win in the state official, approving the final canvass of the Nov. 3 election. The unanimous action Tuesday by the seven nonpartisan justices sends to Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak results that will deliver six electoral votes from the western U.S. battleground state to Biden.

    The court action drew extra scrutiny amid legal efforts by the state GOP and Trump campaign to prevent sending vote-by-mail ballots to all 1.82 million active registered voters and then to stop the counting of the 1.4 million votes that were cast.

    Certification of the vote does not stop several lawsuits pending in state and federal courts.

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/28/reco...dens-lead.html

    A recount in Wisconsin?s largest county demanded by Republican President Donald Trump?s election campaign ended Friday with Democratic President-elect Joe Biden gaining votes.

    After the recount in Milwaukee County, Biden had a net gain of 132 votes, out of nearly 460,000 cast. Overall, Biden gained 257 votes to Trump?s 125.

    Trump?s campaign had demanded recounts in two of Wisconsin?s most populous and Democratic-leaning counties, after losing Wisconsin to Biden by over 20,000 votes. The two recounts will cost the Trump campaign $3 million. Dane County is expected to finish its recount on Sunday.

    Overall, Biden won the Nov. 3 U.S. presidential election with 306 Electoral College votes ? many more than the 270 needed for victory ? to Trump?s 232. Biden also leads by more than six million in the popular vote tally.

    After the recount ended, Milwaukee County Clerk George Christenson said: ?The recount demonstrates what we already know: that elections in Milwaukee County are fair, transparent, accurate and secure.?

    The Trump campaign is still expected to mount a legal challenge to the overall result in Wisconsin, but time is running out. The state is due to certify its presidential result on Tuesday.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...margin-2020-11

    President-elect Joe Biden gained votes in Wisconsin's largest county on Friday after Trump's election campaign demanded a recount earlier this month.

    The Trump administration spent $3 million to request two recounts in Milwaukee and Dane counties after the president lost Wisconsin to Biden by over 20,000 votes.

    But county election officials in Milwaukee County completed their recount on Friday and found that Biden actually made a total net gain of 132 votes out of nearly 460,000 votes cast.

    This further boosted Biden's margin of victory, who overall gained 257 votes to Trump's 125.

    Milwaukee County Clerk George Christenson said on Friday: "The recount demonstrates what we already know: that elections in Milwaukee County are fair, transparent, accurate and secure," according to Reuters.

    Dane County is expected to announce its recount results on Sunday. Both Milwaukee and Dane are two of Wisconsin's most populous counties and have a large number of Democrat voters.

    Trump is still expected to mount a legal challenge to the overall result in Wisconsin, but the window of opportunity is slowly closing as the state is due to certify its final result on Tuesday.

    Certification is done by the Democratic chair of the Wisconsin Election Commission, which is bipartisan.

    Trump has carried on pushing unproven claims of widespread voter fraud as his election campaign continues to file legal challenges in several states.

    A US chief election administration official, who was appointed by the president, previously told Insider in an interview that there is "no evidence of widespread voter fraud" and that the president's claim "hurts the fabric of our nation."

    Trump's legal team suffered another defeat in Pennsylvania on Friday after a federal appeals court rejected the campaign's latest attempt to challenge the state's election results, the Associated Press reported.

    Meanwhile, in the key swing state of Georgia ? which Biden won ? the president's baseless claims have concerned fellow Republicans who feel his comments could hinder the party's efforts to retain control of the Senate. Biden won the popular vote by a margin of 4 percentage points, 51% to 47%, according to Decision Desk HQ data published by Insider
    Cartoon sounds like today.

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    . HARRISBURG (KDKA) ? Pennsylvania Republican lawmakers have introduced a resolution intending to dispute the 2020 election results on Friday.

    The resolution intends to declare the 2020 election results as being ?in dispute,? delay the certification of votes from Pennsylvania for both the state and presidential races and asks for the U.S. Congress to also declare the 2020 presidential race to be in dispute.

    The legislators contend that a multitude of factors put the election results in dispute, including the extension of the mail-in ballot deadline and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court?s ruling that loosened restrictions regarding signature authentication. They also accuse Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar of certifying the results of the election ?prematurely? despite ongoing litigation.?

    The resolution does not specify how the state or presidential electors would be determined if the resolution were to pass.

    The resolution is sponsored by Rep. Russ Diamond, Rep. Eric R. Nelson, Rep. Paul Schemel, Rep. Greg Rothman, Rep. Francis X. Ryan, Rep. Dawn W. Keefer, Rep. Mike Jones, Rep. David H. Rowe, Rep. Michael J. Puskaric, Rep. Barbara Gleim, Rep. Bud Cook, Rep. Cris Dush, Rep. Stephanie Borowicz, Rep. David H. Zimmerman, Rep. Daryl D. Metcalfe, Rep. David M. Maloney, Sr., Rep. Dan Moul, Rep. Brad Roae, Rep. Kathy L. Rapp, Rep. Jim Cox, Rep. Rob W. Kauffman, Rep. Matthew Dowling, Rep. Eric Davanzo, Rep. Rich Irvin, Aaron Berstine and Rep. Andrew Lewis.

    The resolution has not yet been voted on by either the state House or Senate. It is not expected to get a vote before lawmakers? terms end on Monday.

    Lt. Gov. John Fetterman told KDKA last week that if the votes are not certified in Pennsylvania by Monday, Nov. 30, there will be no members of the state House and half the state Senate will not be in office as that is when their terms expire.


    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...ts-resolution/


    Hell no if that took place it would lead to these politicians being killed in Protests because of their actions for not siding with the voters.

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    https://www.kget.com/national-news/c...in-over-trump/

    MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Wisconsin finished a recount of its presidential results on Sunday, confirming Democrat Joe Biden’s victory over President Donald Trump in the key battleground state. Trump vowed to challenge the outcome in court even before the recount concluded.

    Dane County was the second and last county to finish its recount, reporting a 45-vote gain for Trump. Milwaukee County, the state’s other big and overwhelmingly liberal county targeted in a recount that Trump paid $3 million for, reported its results Friday, a 132-vote gain for Biden.

    Taken together, the two counties barely budged Biden’s winning margin of about 20,600 votes, giving the winner a net gain of 87 votes.

    “As we have said, the recount only served to reaffirm Joe Biden’s victory in Wisconsin,” Danielle Melfi, who led Biden’s campaign in Wisconsin, said in a statement to The Associated Press.

    Trump campaign spokeswoman Jenna Ellis said in a statement that the Wisconsin recounts have “revealed serious issues” about whether the ballots were legal, but she offered no specific details to validate her claim.

    “As we have said from the very beginning, we want every legal vote, and only legal votes to be counted, and we will continue to uphold our promise to the American people to fight for a free and fair election,” Ellis said.

    With no precedent for overturning a result as large as Biden’s, Trumpwas widely expected to head to court once the recount was finished. His campaign challenged thousands of absentee ballots during the recount, and even before it was complete, Trump tweeted that he would sue.

    “The Wisconsin recount is not about finding mistakes in the count, it is about finding people who have voted illegally, and that case will be brought after the recount is over, on Monday or Tuesday,” Trump tweeted on Saturday. “We have found many illegal votes. Stay tuned!”

    The deadline to certify the vote is Tuesday. Certification is done by the Democratic chair of the Wisconsin Election Commission, which is bipartisan.

    The Wisconsin Voters Alliance, a conservative group, has already filed a lawsuit against state election officials seeking to block certification of the results. It makes many of the claims Trump is expected to make. Gov. Tony Evers’ attorneys have asked the state Supreme Court to dismiss the suit. Evers, a Democrat, said the complaint is a “mishmash of legal distortions” that uses factual misrepresentations in an attempt to take voting rights away from millions of Wisconsin residents.

    Another suit filed over the weekend by Wisconsin resident Dean Mueller argues that ballots placed in drop boxes are illegal and must not be counted.

    Trump’s attorneys have complained about absentee ballots where voters identified themselves as “indefinitely confined,” allowing them to cast an absentee ballot without showing a photo ID; ballots that have a certification envelope with two different ink colors, indicating a poll worker may have helped complete it; and absentee ballots that don’t have a separate written record for its request, such as in-person absentee ballots.

    Election officials in the two counties counted those ballots during the recount, but marked them as exhibits at the request of the Trump campaign.

    Trump’s campaign has already failed elsewhere in court without proof of widespread fraud, which experts widely agree doesn’t exist. Trump legal challenges have failed in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania.

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