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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    It just feels so selfish to keep someone alive like that. I would never want that for myself, and wouldn't want it for anyone else. Let go.
    This is exactly why it is important to have Advanced Directives made.

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    I need to get one of those made. This is worst nightmare territory.

    I dont see any update as to how the baby is doing? Did her parents take them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    I need to get one of those made. This is worst nightmare territory.

    I dont see any update as to how the baby is doing? Did her parents take them?
    Yep. The baby was a boy and her parents are raising him.

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    So this makes me think it's not exactly a vegetative state.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...10-ye-rcna7484


    Arizona nurse who sexually assaulted incapacitated patient sentenced to 10 years

    A former Arizona nurse who sexually assaulted an incapacitated patient at a long-term care facility where she later gave birth was sentenced to 10 years in prison Thursday.

    The man, Nathan Sutherland, was sentenced to the maximum allowed under the sexual assault charge that he pleaded guilty to in September.

    The sexual assault of the woman, who was 29 at the time, was discovered after she gave birth in December 2018 at a Hacienda HealthCare facility in Phoenix, where she was a patient.

    The woman had been at the long-term care facility since she was 3.

    Her family has said she has significant intellectual disabilities as a result of seizures early in her childhood. She has some ability to move her limbs, head and neck but cannot speak.

    “It’s hard to imagine a more vulnerable adult than the victim in this case,” Superior Court Judge Margaret LaBianca said at sentencing.

    Sutherland was also sentenced to lifetime supervised probation, and he will have to register as a sex offender, NBC affiliate KPNX of Phoenix reported.

    Sutherland was arrested and charged in January 2019 after DNA evidence tied him to the child. He was fired after his arrest and pleaded guilty to sexual assault and vulnerable adult abuse in September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    So this makes me think it's not exactly a vegetative state.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...10-ye-rcna7484


    Arizona nurse who sexually assaulted incapacitated patient sentenced to 10 years
    Well, just because you can move some limbs around doesn't mean that you're not vegetative. Her brain likely has enough capability to still have some muscle function, but nothing else going on upstairs.
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    I thought the exact same thing. Poor Brennen Tammons.
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    This was my worst nightmare for my sister, who spent seven years in a nursing home in pretty much the same state this victim was in. She could open her eyes and move her head and arms a little. She couldn't talk, walk, dress, or feed herself. She is one of two reasons we have advance directives.

    Shortly after Sis got to the nursing home, my BIL (who hired people to care for her 12 hours a day/7 days a week) installed a hidden-camera clock radio in her room. He found out that male attendants were coming into my sister's room and sleeping on her couch at night. When he complained, they made him remove the camera citing "privacy" reasons. I understand the privacy issues they were referring to, but I was livid when he didn't remove her from the facility.

    As for "letting go," it's not as easy as you think - and I'm not talking about the emotional aspect of it. Nothing in the "Right to Die" World is black and white, there are a million variables. Every state has different laws concerning end of life; some allow assisted suicide and euthanasia, but the patient must be in control of their faculties at the time of death. That doesn't help people who suddenly find themselves in a vegetative state. For hassle-free, unquestioned, legal euthanasia, there's always hospice. Their licensed and certified Angels of Death will give your loved one morphine every 30 minutes until they're dead. Not a bad way to go.

    I always thought Advance Directives were ironclad, but found out differently as my father lay dying. Some states don't bat an eye at passive euthanasia, and others will make you fight for it. Mr. Tisha's brother was caught in a bizarre limbo between life and death last summer, when his pacemaker was "keeping him alive" against his expressed and well-documented wishes. It took lawyers, not an advanced directive, to get it turned off.

    As for this victim, there wasn't even a mechanism for the family of this child to legally "let go" of her 30 years ago. She was put in that nursing home 14 years before Terri Schiavo's husband petitioned the courts to remove her feeding tube. It would have been considered outright murder to "let her go." Thankfully, times are changing.

    We had to make the decision to discontinue our 34yo daughter's life support and I have to say, no matter the situation, it defies every rule of parenthood and goes against every fiber of your being as a parent. It's unnatural. "Shall we just let her die?" isn't on the list of decisions you ever imagine you will have to make for your child. It is life-changing and devastating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    This was my worst nightmare for my sister, who spent seven years in a nursing home in pretty much the same state this victim was in. She could open her eyes and move her head and arms a little. She couldn't talk, walk, dress, or feed herself. She is one of two reasons we have advance directives.

    Shortly after Sis got to the nursing home, my BIL (who hired people to care for her 12 hours a day/7 days a week) installed a hidden-camera clock radio in her room. He found out that male attendants were coming into my sister's room and sleeping on her couch at night. When he complained, they made him remove the camera citing "privacy" reasons. I understand the privacy issues they were referring to, but I was livid when he didn't remove her from the facility.

    As for "letting go," it's not as easy as you think - and I'm not talking about the emotional aspect of it. Nothing in the "Right to Die" World is black and white, there are a million variables. Every state has different laws concerning end of life; some allow assisted suicide and euthanasia, but the patient must be in control of their faculties at the time of death. That doesn't help people who suddenly find themselves in a vegetative state. For hassle-free, unquestioned, legal euthanasia, there's always hospice. Their licensed and certified Angels of Death will give your loved one morphine every 30 minutes until they're dead. Not a bad way to go.

    I always thought Advance Directives were ironclad, but found out differently as my father lay dying. Some states don't bat an eye at passive euthanasia, and others will make you fight for it. Mr. Tisha's brother was caught in a bizarre limbo between life and death last summer, when his pacemaker was "keeping him alive" against his expressed and well-documented wishes. It took lawyers, not an advanced directive, to get it turned off.

    As for this victim, there wasn't even a mechanism for the family of this child to legally "let go" of her 30 years ago. She was put in that nursing home 14 years before Terri Schiavo's husband petitioned the courts to remove her feeding tube. It would have been considered outright murder to "let her go." Thankfully, times are changing.

    We had to make the decision to discontinue our 34yo daughter's life support and I have to say, no matter the situation, it defies every rule of parenthood and goes against every fiber of your being as a parent. It's unnatural. "Shall we just let her die?" isn't on the list of decisions you ever imagine you will have to make for your child. It is life-changing and devastating.
    Why the hell were they sleeping on her couch? That is super odd.


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    yes i said i will leave it under you storage he said cuddle with me i said shut up it over??? what am i doing wrong??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Why the hell were they sleeping on her couch? That is super odd.
    I'm not sure. I assume it was because she was one of the few residents who had a couch in her room, so it was a private place they could disappear and catch a few winks. Other than the hospital bed, you could furnish the room however you wanted. My BIL replaced the hard chairs with a couch to make it more comfortable for the caregivers who sat with her all day, and so he could sleep there if Sis was having a bad day (which happened a lot in the beginning). As it turned out, it became an attractive nuisance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    I'm not sure. I assume it was because she was one of the few residents who had a couch in her room, so it was a private place they could disappear and catch a few winks. Other than the hospital bed, you could furnish the room however you wanted. My BIL replaced the hard chairs with a couch to make it more comfortable for the caregivers who sat with her all day, and so he could sleep there if Sis was having a bad day (which happened a lot in the beginning). As it turned out, it became an attractive nuisance.
    That makes sense, but still creepy. I couldn't just take a nap in someone else's room like that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    This was my worst nightmare for my sister, who spent seven years in a nursing home in pretty much the same state this victim was in. She could open her eyes and move her head and arms a little. She couldn't talk, walk, dress, or feed herself. She is one of two reasons we have advance directives.

    Shortly after Sis got to the nursing home, my BIL (who hired people to care for her 12 hours a day/7 days a week) installed a hidden-camera clock radio in her room. He found out that male attendants were coming into my sister's room and sleeping on her couch at night. When he complained, they made him remove the camera citing "privacy" reasons. I understand the privacy issues they were referring to, but I was livid when he didn't remove her from the facility.

    As for "letting go," it's not as easy as you think - and I'm not talking about the emotional aspect of it. Nothing in the "Right to Die" World is black and white, there are a million variables. Every state has different laws concerning end of life; some allow assisted suicide and euthanasia, but the patient must be in control of their faculties at the time of death. That doesn't help people who suddenly find themselves in a vegetative state. For hassle-free, unquestioned, legal euthanasia, there's always hospice. Their licensed and certified Angels of Death will give your loved one morphine every 30 minutes until they're dead. Not a bad way to go.

    I always thought Advance Directives were ironclad, but found out differently as my father lay dying. Some states don't bat an eye at passive euthanasia, and others will make you fight for it. Mr. Tisha's brother was caught in a bizarre limbo between life and death last summer, when his pacemaker was "keeping him alive" against his expressed and well-documented wishes. It took lawyers, not an advanced directive, to get it turned off.

    As for this victim, there wasn't even a mechanism for the family of this child to legally "let go" of her 30 years ago. She was put in that nursing home 14 years before Terri Schiavo's husband petitioned the courts to remove her feeding tube. It would have been considered outright murder to "let her go." Thankfully, times are changing.

    We had to make the decision to discontinue our 34yo daughter's life support and I have to say, no matter the situation, it defies every rule of parenthood and goes against every fiber of your being as a parent. It's unnatural. "Shall we just let her die?" isn't on the list of decisions you ever imagine you will have to make for your child. It is life-changing and devastating.
    KimT I just now saw this post, Im so sorry about your sister, and especially your daughter. Im so sorry you had to make that decision. I had no idea you lost a daughter, that is so terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    KimT I just now saw this post, Im so sorry about your sister, and especially your daughter. Im so sorry you had to make that decision. I had no idea you lost a daughter, that is so terrible.
    Thanks, Ang. Life can throw you curve balls sometimes. I don't take anything for granted.

    ETA: And I want to make a Public Service Announcement about how vitally important it is to make your end of life wishes known. I don't care HOW young you are. It needs to be in writing and the people around you need to clearly understand your wishes. Make sure the person you ASSUME will carry out your wishes, is actually willing to do what you want. It's not a pleasant conversation, but death is a reality for all of us, and it can get really ugly there towards the end. Make sure YOU have some control over what the end of your life is going to look like. I cannot emphasize this enough.

    You can thank me when we meet on the Other Side.
    Last edited by KimTisha; 02-07-2022 at 05:49 PM.
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