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    Sovereign Citizen & Former Police Officer, Wayne Glew Is Convinced The Magna Carta Will Prevent His Property Being Seized For $300K In Unpaid Council Rates

    This is a West Australian cop turned sovereign citizen & he's 100% convinced that he knows the law & they can"t seize his property because "Magna Carta"

    This should be entertaining



    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...rates/10619944



    WA man has his property seized because he refuses to pay $300,000 owing in rates


    ABC Mid West and Wheatbelt By Laura Meachim and Cecile O'Connor
    Updated about 4 hours ago


    PHOTO: Wayne Glew was joined by supporters who travelled from across Australia to see him face court in Geraldton. (ABC Midwest and Wheatbelt: Laura Meachim)



    A long-running dispute in Western Australia has ended with a 'sovereign citizen' having his property seized and sold from under him.

    Wayne Kenneth Glew, from Geraldton, owed his council $300,000 in rates and legal costs, which he refused to pay because he believed local governments were unconstitutional.

    Mr Glew is one of an informal movement of 'freemen' or 'sovereign citizens', who believed Australian legislative laws only applied if you consented to them.

    City of Greater Geraldton mayor Shane Van Styn said Mr Glew's actions were an injustice to those doing the right thing by paying their yearly rates.

    "[He has] some crazy misconception that the laws do not apply to him, and regrettably we have been forced to take action to seize his property to cover costs that rightfully belong to the ratepayers of Greater Geraldton," Mr Van Styn said.

    Mr Glew, a former police officer, has appealed a court order from the council to remove his possessions from the property.

    It is not the first time he has taken his fight to the court of appeal.

    In 2014 he was declared a "vexatious litigant" by the Supreme Court of WA, with his position being described as "nonsensical and incoherent".


    PHOTO: Mr Glew during one of his attempts to block the City of Greater-Geraldton from his former Glenfield property. (Supplied: Facebook)


    Are local governments unlawful?



    PHOTO: A manuscript book of statutes containing Magna Carta and 20 other statutes in Latin or French. (702 ABC Sydney: Yuske Aso)


    Mr Glew claimed the City of Greater Geraldton could not lawfully make constituents pay rates, because local governments were not written in Australia's constitution.

    Constitutional law expert Professor Anne Twomey said the council's actions were legal.

    "The State of WA has the power to enact legislation that sets up a system of local government, which includes the City of Greater Geraldton and other places," she said.

    Mr Glew said the city could not seize his land because he claimed it under Magna Carta.

    "It is not getting sold because I have it held under clause 61 of Magna Carta," he said.


    "They cannot touch it, they fenced it ? I threw the gates away, they put concrete blocks there ? I threw them away, I blocked it.

    "I own it and I paid for it."

    Magna Carta was originally issued by King John of England in 1215 as a solution to a political crisis.

    Since then it has been the foundation of constitutional and parliamentary government for Britain and Commonwealth countries.

    Professor Twomey said Magna Carta was an important historic statute but had little relevance in today's society.

    "You have got to understand that under British law, their constitution is the system of parliamentary sovereignty and that means parliament itself can always change its own laws," she said.

    "There is very little left of Magna Carta in the United Kingdom because many later laws have overridden and changed it from time to time.

    "The same issue arises in Australia ? Magna Carta became part of Australian law as a received British law ? it would have been a much cut-down version of Magna Carta.

    "Only the little dribs and drabs that were left, and even those dribs and drabs they are not entrenched as part of our law they are just part of ordinary statute that can be changed by later statute."

    Battling the system

    Mr Glew is just one of many who have taken a direct stance against paying rates or taxes.



    PHOTO: A sign marks the border crossing at the 'Principality of Hutt River', 500 kilometres north of Perth in WA. (ABC News: Eliza Borrello)


    In 1970, Midwest farmer Leonard Casely declared his land the Principality of Hutt River and claimed to be a sovereign state after a stoush with the State Government over wheat production quotas.

    The so-called micronation was not legally recognised by the Australian Government and in 2017 the Supreme Court of WA ordered the family pay more than $3 million in taxes owed.

    Council says rates needed to run city

    Mr Van Styn said seizing Mr Glew's property was a last resort.

    "Everyone is required to pay the costs of living in a community," he said.

    "We do not have roads and civic services out of nowhere.

    "We require rates to run a city that functions with all the services that everyone needs from day to day.

    "If people think they are above contributing to that under lawful direction from the state then regrettably we must take such severe action."

    Abusing the system

    Professor Twomey said despite what people believed, the law would prevail.

    "If you notice, all of these people [who] object to paying taxes or rates and everything else say that the laws are invalid," she said.

    "The curious thing is I have never heard any single one of them ever complain that the law is invalid if it gives them unemployment benefits or if it gives them any advantage.

    "Nor do you ever see them refusing to use a hospital or a school or a road because it has been paid for by other people under invalid taxes or rates.

    "People tend to just want to take the benefits and not want to pay or contribute."

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    Is the Magna Carta still a legally binding document some places?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumaki15 View Post
    Is the Magna Carta still a legally binding document some places?
    I don't think so. If it doesn't have any real effect in England anymore, it shouldn't have greater power in it's former colonies either

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    i love sovereign citizens. they are so... extra.
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    i mean, the shit with the different capitalizations of your name indicating whether you are a corporation or a person, and that everyone is assigned a secret alternate corporate ID at birth so all you have to do is assert that you are not affiliated with your corporation by using all lowercase letters in your signature and suddenly no laws apply to you wut?

    if none of what i wrote makes sense to you, congrats, you are not insane like these people are.
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    yes, the unemployed mechanic, etc. found a previously unknown loophole in American law, now owns any land he stays on for 30 days, and never has to pay taxes. these people are amusing

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    3 words: cardboard license plates.

    lol forever.

    ffs, at least pick up a novelty plate and redesign it with your anti-government message.

    lp.jpg
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    also, apparently jared the subway guy pulled the old sovereign citizen defense to kiddiddlin.
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    sorry, i love shit like this. here is an article from a cop website. sovereign citizens are domestic terrorists, i guess. even the cops agree this is true. the video (surprisingly) uses the term " far right extremists." i thought that was interesting because literally no one on the conservative side ever admits this is a thing that exists. also, there is this statement (because i'm petty):

    Don’t get pulled into a battle of wits based upon sovereign citizen rhetoric. Many of them speak as if they are reading from a script. Often, their mantra is intended simply to throw you off your game. Too often our egos kick in whenever our authority is challenged and we end up arrogantly contributing to the escalation of an argument rather than guiding its de-escalation.
    https://www.policeone.com/police-pro...en-encounters/
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAndy View Post
    yes, the unemployed mechanic, etc. found a previously unknown loophole in American law, now owns any land he stays on for 30 days, and never has to pay taxes. these people are amusing
    yes, the unemployed mechanic, etc. found a previously unknown loophole in Australian law, now owns any land he stays on for 30 days, and never has to pay taxes. these people are amusing

    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    sorry, i love shit like this. here is an article from a cop website. sovereign citizens are domestic terrorists, i guess. even the cops agree this is true. the video (surprisingly) uses the term " far right extremists." i thought that was interesting because literally no one on the conservative side ever admits this is a thing that exists. also, there is this statement (because i'm petty):



    https://www.policeone.com/police-pro...en-encounters/
    You wouldn't happen to have an alternate persona that is named KambingSociety would you?

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    Jumaki-America has a problem with these clowns too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAndy View Post
    Jumaki-America has a problem with these clowns too.
    I'm aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumaki15 View Post
    You wouldn't happen to have an alternate persona that is named KambingSociety would you?
    hahaha. you can tell the difference because i hate vigilantes and love conspiracies.
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    Enjoy



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    Quote Originally Posted by animosity View Post
    hahaha. you can tell the difference because i hate vigilantes and love conspiracies.
    lol fair enough. What you post also is actually relevant and you don't bring your conspiracy boner to every thread lol

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    He is aware the Magna Carta was in effect in England 800 years ago? If it is not legally binding there anymore, how the fuck does he think places no longer under any English control still abide by it? They may have used it as inspiration for some of the laws put into place when the governments were set up, but that as far as it's influence goes. That makes as much sense as the middle east still using The Code Of Hammurabi as it's governing document.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    Enjoy


    boy, these people sure like the sound of their own voices. also liked: numbers, dates, advancing on people whilst wagging their fingers, and waving books in the air.
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