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    Sister Mary Margaret Kreuper, and Sister Lana Chang Nuns improperly took as much as $500,000 from Torrance Catholic school

    https://www.presstelegram.com/2018/1...tholic-school/


    Yes and not shocking that corruption takes place in the church but this time it was spent on casino.

    Two longtime nuns at St. James Catholic School in Torrance allegedly embezzled as much as $500,000 in tuition, fees and donations, perhaps spending some of the money on trips and gambling at casinos while telling parents the school was operating on a shoestring budget, officials and parents said.

    The figure represents only what auditors have been able to trace in six years? of bank records and might not include other cash transactions, officials from the Archdiocese of Los Angeles told parents and alumni at a meeting Monday night at St. James Catholic Church in Redondo Beach. An audio recording of the two-hour meeting was obtained by the Southern California News Group.

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    The apparent scandal came to light last week when the church?s small, K-8 school announced that it had notified police that Sister Mary Margaret Kreuper, and Sister Lana Chang, who both had retired earlier this year, were ?involved in the personal use of a substantial amount of school funds.? But the nuns had expressed remorse, and the archdiocese and the church were not pursuing criminal charges.

    Kreuper was the school?s principal, and Chang taught there.

    The revelation comes four years after a car struck and killed four people as they left a Christmas concert at the church, including a 6-year-old boy.

    Michael Meyers, the church?s monsignor, told the crowd of a few hundred people that the archdiocese launched an internal investigation six months ago after the organization performed a standard audit of procedures ahead of Kreuper?s retirement after 28 years at the school.

    Around the same time, Meyers said, a family happened to request a copy of a check made out to the school, and the staff noticed it had been deposited in a bank account other than the school?s.

    That?s when Kreuper became ?very nervous and very anxious? about the upcoming financial review and requested that the staff alter records, the monsignor said. Meyers said he alerted an archdiocese internal auditor performing the review that ?something was off? and that the auditor confirmed his suspicions.

    The archdiocese then hired an independent forensic auditor for a deeper review.

    Without the red flags raised by the check, Kreuper?s ?strange? behavior and a tip made to an archdiocese ethics hotline, officials said the school would never have known about the problem.

    The improper use of the funds had been going on for at least 10 years, Meyers said. The parish and the school have always run in the black, so it appears no one had suspicions.

    ?The systems that were set up were dividing people, so nobody knew what was happening,? Meyers said.

    A retired FBI agent hired by the archdiocese interviewed school staffers and the nuns.

    ?When he was talking to Sister Mary Margaret, she did acknowledge that she had been taking all the money, so that?s not a question,? Meyers said.

    He said no other staff members are suspected of wrongdoing, but a bookkeeper who was unaware of the long-running scheme has voluntarily taken a leave of absence to preserve the integrity of the investigation.

    Funds raised by the school?s nonprofit education foundation were not affected, officials said.

    Auditors told parents the ?long forgotten? church bank account was opened in 1997 and that bank records before 2012 no longer exist. Only Kreuper and Chang knew about the account, they said.

    They described a system in which Kreuper handled all checks made out to the school for tuition and fees before handing them over to bookkeeping staff for processing. The principal allegedly withheld some of the checks and deposited them into the other account, endorsing the back with a stamp that read, ?St. James Convent? instead of ?St. James School.?

    The sisters used a majority of the money for ?personal gain,? officials said, though some of it was ?recycled? back to the school.

    Meyers said the money would have ended up in the school?s reserve funds.

    The sisters expressed deep remorse, officials said.

    The archdiocese is cooperating with Torrance police, but is unwilling to be a ?complaining party,? archdiocese lawyer Marge Graf told parents. She said the decision was made because the nuns? order, the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet, has agreed to pay the school full restitution and impose ?severe sanctions? on Kreuper and Chang.

    When a parent asked what the money was spent on, the attorney said: ?We do know that they had a pattern of going on trips, we do know they had a pattern of going to casinos, and the reality is, they used the account as their personal account.?

    The nuns, described by many as best friends, have been removed from ministry, according to a letter from the order read aloud during the meeting. Meyers said they have been moved to separate convents.

    Church officials did not say whether the order?s restitution agreement hinged on the archdiocese not pursuing criminal charges.

    Meyers and other officials pledged to make changes to prevent abuse in the future, noting that new principal Noreen Maricich has implemented an online payment system for tuition that draws funds directly from parents? bank accounts.

    Reactions in the stunned crowd ranged from disappointment and anger to calls for forgiveness.

    Many parents were outraged with the decision not to press charges, with some remarking that if the nuns were lay people, they would certainly be in jail. Others called for the restitution to be used to give teachers pay raises and for expenses they said Kreuper claimed the school could not afford, such as awnings for an outdoor eating area.

    Jack Alexander of Redondo Beach said in an interview with the Southern California News Group that he and other parents are considering banding together to act as a complaining party to Torrance police themselves. But without cooperation from the archdiocese, he is doubtful the effort would lead to prosecution.

    ?We were an ATM, and people know it and they won?t ask for justice,? Alexander said.

    The approach sends the wrong message to students, he said, that money is more important than morals.

    ?They are trying to recapture money, not get justice,? Alexander said.

    Paul Eakins, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County District Attorney?s Office, said prosecutors have not been presented with a case yet from Torrance police. Sgt. Ronald Harris said police will confer at some point with the District Attorney?s Office.

    ?Our office doesn?t decline to charge simply because the victim?s future cooperation is problematical,? Eakins said. ?However, if a victim is not presently cooperating, we may consider that as a factor in determining whether a case can be successfully prosecuted.?

    Many in attendance questioned how the school could claim in a parent letter that the embezzlement did not affect the students? education, and they criticized officials for hesitating at first to reveal the full, six-figure estimate. Some have called on Meyers to resign.

    Denise Sur, a longtime St. James parishioner who put four children through the school and spoke at the meeting, said in an interview that she was disappointed that details were not provided immediately.

    ?The archdiocese and our parish leadership has to be held accountable for the poor process as well as what occurred,? she said.

    Tony Liakos, a parent who also spoke at the meeting, said in an interview that the news is another blow to a church community still reeling from that tragic crash in December 2014. It?s a good school, he said, and he doesn?t want its attributes to be over-shadowed by these two incidents.

    ?The biggest thing is I?d prefer to see this not hurt the school more than it already has,? he said in an interview.

    Samantha Pierce, a Torrance resident who has attended St. James for more than 30 years and whose son graduated from the school, said the controversy underscores a failure of church leadership. Only a police investigation can be trusted, she said.

    ?They convicted the sisters before they actually have the facts on hand, that is the thing that disturbed me the most,? Pierce said.

    She expressed skepticism that the nuns acted maliciously, even given their apparent admissions of guilt.

    Kreuper was known to forgive tuition debt and offer assistance to families experiencing financial hardships, Pierce said, and she took trips to Las Vegas because she visited a friend from a Catholic school where she used to teach.

    A spokeswoman for the Diocese of Las Vegas could not be reached on Wednesday. Kreuper has a past address and P.O. Box in Las Vegas, public records show.

    If the nuns indeed misused funds wrongfully, Pierce said she would forgive them.

    Other parents said it was well-known that Kreuper and Chang traveled often and went gambling, but that they claimed they were gifted the trips by a rich relative.

    ?These nuns took a vow of poverty and said, ?Oh no, we?ve got a rich uncle,? ? Alexander said. ?The rich uncle was the parents of the St. James students.?

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    https://www.ktnv.com/news/crime/sout...d-in-las-vegas

    One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not steal."

    A lesson apparently ignored by two nuns at a Southern California Catholic school. The school telling parents Sister Mary Margaret Kreuper and Sister Lana Chang admit to embezzling school funds.

    The Archdiocese of Los Angeles says the nuns took half a million dollars or more over the years, allegedly to spend on travel and casino gambling.

    The theft was revealed during a recent audit.

    At first the school said it "does not wish to pursue criminal proceedings".

    But now, the Archdiocese tells ABC News the investigation has deepened and they are considering making this a criminal case.

    “It's a crime. Just because they're in a special place doesn't mean they can do that,” says Francis Grimes, St. James Church parishioner.

    According to the Long Beach Press Telegram , Sister Kreuper made several trips to our valley.

    13 Action News looked into any possible between the sisters and Las Vegas.

    Public records show Sister Kreuper had a registered post office box in Clark County and even a home address on the east side near Flamingo and Eastern.

    Records show she lived there from 1990 until 2003.

    In a letter to parents from the school monsignor says that the nuns "asked that I convey to you the deep remorse they each feel for their actions and ask for your forgiveness and prayers."

    “That's a lot of money. I’d like to know what they spent it on,” says Tim Kelley, parishioner.

    The nuns order says the women are cooperating and intend to pay all of the money back in full.

    13 Action News is working to get a statement from the Diocese of Las Vegas regarding Sister Kreuper.
    Corruption in the church for a different reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blighted star View Post
    I hate the corporate gambling industry

    Well I hate multiple articles posted by the same person which all give the exact same information and wastes my time.


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    Well, as long as they are sorry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queena View Post
    Well, as long as they are sorry...
    Maybe they'll just get moved to another school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumaki15 View Post
    Maybe they'll just get moved to another school.
    They were smart, they retired before being caught. It was posted in those 2 articles... :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queena View Post
    Well, as long as they are sorry...
    Well this theft scandal is considered Nothing at this point in the Catholic Church and at this point stealing money is OK as long as they don't use it for hush money though.

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    This thread reminded me of a priest back home who was charged for stealing to cover his gambling debts. So I googled it and it turns out that it's not really as rare as I would have thought:

    https://www.casinocanuck.ca/news/10-...bling-schemes/

    We hear of theft, embezzlement and sinning but we would never expect one from the flock fleeing with money. Surprisingly enough there have been numerous cases of embezzlement within the church and believers say going to prison isn’t the only price they will pay in this life. In the instance of Camillus de Lillis, the soldier who came from a dark background went from gambling his life away to becoming a Saint after a sermon touched his soul. The deadbeat soldier who gambled everything away by the age of 25 changed his world around through faith, giving the world hope for those who have yet to see the light.

    Sisters Mary Kreuper and Sister Lana Chang recently made headlines when they were caught embezzling nearly $500,000 from their school and using the real money to gamble. They aren’t the first members of faith to do this and it is quite surprising to see just how many have done the same thing in the past. Here are the top ten stories of men and women of faith stealing money to feed their gambling habit.

    10. Catholic Ottawa Priest Joseph LeClair- $130,000 (this is the priest I was referring to: everyone called him Father Joe and the community worshipped him - pun intended. It was speculated that he stole significantly more money from donations that could never be tracked/found.)
    Canada was in shock learning that one of their own shepherds had left the flock and pleaded guilty to embezzling $130 000 from his church over five years. Father Joseph LeClair admitted to embezzling the money to pay off gambling debt from a local Canadian casino. LeClair had some of his followers show their support at his hearing when he pleaded guilty to the crime. He has since lost his following after an audit was completed and found the priest had more than $20 000 worth of furniture belonging to the church. All the belongings were found in a house outside of Ontario, Canada.

    9. Priest Stephen Gemme – $240,000
    Priest Stephen Gemme admitted to stealing $240 000 from a parish school. The priest was addicted to gambling and the money to cover his debts. Stephen Gemme was forgiven for his crime and let back into the church however his involvement is being monitored and limited. The priest is not allowed near the books but has since apologized and given his word to make amends for his shameless behaviour by paying back the money he stole from St. Bernadette’s parish and school. Priest Stephen Gemme was sentenced to 5 years probation for his actions.

    8. Father John Regan – $300,000
    After embezzling $300 000 from the Diocese of Joliet parish, Father John Regan, could have faced up to 30 years in prison. The long standing priest held the former position as President of the National Conference of Diocesan Vocation Directors and then moved on as Vocation Director of the Illinois for a period of 13 years before he was caught embezzling money from his parish to support his gambling habits over a few years. In 2006 John Reagan wasn’t paying back the money stolen as the court had ordered and faced prison time when his probation was in jeopardy due to breech of agreement with the court.

    7. Reverend Amer Saka – $500,000
    The London reverend, Amer Saka, has been accused of embezzling money from more than twenty people, totalling up to $500 000. The money was meant to help Syrian refuges but instead Amer chose to gamble the charity fund away. He was banned from casinos following a court order which was one of several terms of his bail. The priest has since been charged with fraud. The news travelled far and wide especially affecting London’s Chaldean Church which is mostly made up of Canadian foreigners.

    6. Monsignor William Dombrow – $500,000
    A Philadelphia priest was found guilty of embezzling more than a half a million dollars to maintain his lavish lifestyle. A part of the embezzled cash went to casinos which Msgr. William Dombrow frequented. The money was meant to go to a home for the elderly; however, the 77 year old priest had other plans. William was convicted of four counts of fraud and the sentencing could be a severe 80 years behind bars. According to the priest’s lawyer, William Dombrow was ashamed of his behaviour and what it did to the church.

    5. Sisters Mary Kreuper and Sister Lana Chang – $500,000
    The theft of more than $500 000 dollars began when Sister Mary Kreuperand and nun Lana Chang became fast friends which progressed rapidly to the embezzlement of over $500 000 which was used on trips to casinos and gambling. Sister Mary was the principal at St. James Catholic School where Sister Lana Chang was a teacher. A fraudulent cheque was found which was to be deposited into the elementary school’s bank account, but upon further investigation, the account number was to a different account which no one knew about. As it would turn out, the account in question was used for the two nun’s personal use at casinos. Members of the community were shocked when the revelation of what had occurred was revealed. During the revelation of the incident Sister Mary was under tremendous shock of an incident that killed a 6 year old boy and so the church decided against pressing charges saying she was dealing with the severe aftermath of the incident.

    Between the two nuns, it had been a period of 10 years before they were caught out. Both Sister Mary and Sister Lana expressed their deepest apologies asking the parish not to lose faith in them or the church.

    4. Priest Don Flavio Gobbo – $620,000
    A 48 year old Italian priest was caught embezzling money from his parish in San Vito and Modesto. Don was lucky to walk away with a 2 year suspended sentence after admitting to gambling addiction. The court then ordered don Flavio Gobbo to pay back the stolen money in full and seek therapy and treatment which he claimed he had already sought help and received the treatment he needed to curb his addiction.

    3. Catholic Priest Kevin McAuliffe – $750,000
    A Catholic priest from Nevada Las Vegas, the biggest casino and gambling hub in the world, has been found guilty on 3 counts of mail fraud. The then 58 year old priest had admitted guilty to embezzling from St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Roman Catholic Church, one of Nevada’s biggest congregations, for an extended period of 8 years. Kevin McAulife’s sentencing could cost him up to 60 years in prison and he would have to pay $750 000 in fines to correct his mistake. The priest was since relieved from his position at the church, and according to his lawyer Margaret Stanish, Kevin McAuliffe is sincerely apologetic for the hurt he caused by his actions.

    2. Sister Marie Thornton – $850,000
    Otherwise known as Sister Susie, Sister Marie Thornton, blamed childhood demons for her gambling addiction which cost Iona College $850 000. The nun worked as Vice President of Finance at the college which fed into her gambling habit. Sister Marie Thornton was sentenced to community service and was court ordered to pay back less than half of the embezzled cash. The nun’s attorney claimed the reason Sister Susie sent fake invoices to the college because of her childhood past and the demons that influenced her. Sister Susie has since apologized asking for forgives from those that she hurt and those that she loved.

    1. Unnamed Swiss Priest – $1,100,000
    A Swiss priest was caught taking loans from his parish followers has been forced to resign with immediate effect. The priest was using the money given in good faith to pay off his gambling debt of $1.1 million. When authorities caught wind of the embezzlement the situation worsened when they learned that, rather than seeking professional help, the man in question chose to fly to Russia and attend the World Cup. He is now attending therapy and hopes to restore his good faith.

    Last Updated: December 7, 2021

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    This thread reminded me of a priest back home who was charged for stealing to cover his gambling debts. So I googled it and it turns out that it's not really as rare as I would have thought:

    https://www.casinocanuck.ca/news/10-...bling-schemes/

    We hear of theft, embezzlement and sinning but we would never expect one from the flock fleeing with money. Surprisingly enough there have been numerous cases of embezzlement within the church and believers say going to prison isn?t the only price they will pay in this life. In the instance of Camillus de Lillis, the soldier who came from a dark background went from gambling his life away to becoming a Saint after a sermon touched his soul. The deadbeat soldier who gambled everything away by the age of 25 changed his world around through faith, giving the world hope for those who have yet to see the light.

    Sisters Mary Kreuper and Sister Lana Chang recently made headlines when they were caught embezzling nearly $500,000 from their school and using the real money to gamble. They aren?t the first members of faith to do this and it is quite surprising to see just how many have done the same thing in the past. Here are the top ten stories of men and women of faith stealing money to feed their gambling habit.

    10. Catholic Ottawa Priest Joseph LeClair- $130,000 (this is the priest I was referring to: everyone called him Father Joe and the community worshipped him - pun intended. It was speculated that he stole significantly more money from donations that could never be tracked/found.)
    Canada was in shock learning that one of their own shepherds had left the flock and pleaded guilty to embezzling $130 000 from his church over five years. Father Joseph LeClair admitted to embezzling the money to pay off gambling debt from a local Canadian casino. LeClair had some of his followers show their support at his hearing when he pleaded guilty to the crime. He has since lost his following after an audit was completed and found the priest had more than $20 000 worth of furniture belonging to the church. All the belongings were found in a house outside of Ontario, Canada.

    9. Priest Stephen Gemme ? $240,000
    Priest Stephen Gemme admitted to stealing $240 000 from a parish school. The priest was addicted to gambling and the money to cover his debts. Stephen Gemme was forgiven for his crime and let back into the church however his involvement is being monitored and limited. The priest is not allowed near the books but has since apologized and given his word to make amends for his shameless behaviour by paying back the money he stole from St. Bernadette?s parish and school. Priest Stephen Gemme was sentenced to 5 years probation for his actions.

    8. Father John Regan ? $300,000
    After embezzling $300 000 from the Diocese of Joliet parish, Father John Regan, could have faced up to 30 years in prison. The long standing priest held the former position as President of the National Conference of Diocesan Vocation Directors and then moved on as Vocation Director of the Illinois for a period of 13 years before he was caught embezzling money from his parish to support his gambling habits over a few years. In 2006 John Reagan wasn?t paying back the money stolen as the court had ordered and faced prison time when his probation was in jeopardy due to breech of agreement with the court.

    7. Reverend Amer Saka ? $500,000
    The London reverend, Amer Saka, has been accused of embezzling money from more than twenty people, totalling up to $500 000. The money was meant to help Syrian refuges but instead Amer chose to gamble the charity fund away. He was banned from casinos following a court order which was one of several terms of his bail. The priest has since been charged with fraud. The news travelled far and wide especially affecting London?s Chaldean Church which is mostly made up of Canadian foreigners.

    6. Monsignor William Dombrow ? $500,000
    A Philadelphia priest was found guilty of embezzling more than a half a million dollars to maintain his lavish lifestyle. A part of the embezzled cash went to casinos which Msgr. William Dombrow frequented. The money was meant to go to a home for the elderly; however, the 77 year old priest had other plans. William was convicted of four counts of fraud and the sentencing could be a severe 80 years behind bars. According to the priest?s lawyer, William Dombrow was ashamed of his behaviour and what it did to the church.

    5. Sisters Mary Kreuper and Sister Lana Chang ? $500,000
    The theft of more than $500 000 dollars began when Sister Mary Kreuperand and nun Lana Chang became fast friends which progressed rapidly to the embezzlement of over $500 000 which was used on trips to casinos and gambling. Sister Mary was the principal at St. James Catholic School where Sister Lana Chang was a teacher. A fraudulent cheque was found which was to be deposited into the elementary school?s bank account, but upon further investigation, the account number was to a different account which no one knew about. As it would turn out, the account in question was used for the two nun?s personal use at casinos. Members of the community were shocked when the revelation of what had occurred was revealed. During the revelation of the incident Sister Mary was under tremendous shock of an incident that killed a 6 year old boy and so the church decided against pressing charges saying she was dealing with the severe aftermath of the incident.

    Between the two nuns, it had been a period of 10 years before they were caught out. Both Sister Mary and Sister Lana expressed their deepest apologies asking the parish not to lose faith in them or the church.

    4. Priest Don Flavio Gobbo ? $620,000
    A 48 year old Italian priest was caught embezzling money from his parish in San Vito and Modesto. Don was lucky to walk away with a 2 year suspended sentence after admitting to gambling addiction. The court then ordered don Flavio Gobbo to pay back the stolen money in full and seek therapy and treatment which he claimed he had already sought help and received the treatment he needed to curb his addiction.

    3. Catholic Priest Kevin McAuliffe ? $750,000
    A Catholic priest from Nevada Las Vegas, the biggest casino and gambling hub in the world, has been found guilty on 3 counts of mail fraud. The then 58 year old priest had admitted guilty to embezzling from St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Roman Catholic Church, one of Nevada?s biggest congregations, for an extended period of 8 years. Kevin McAulife?s sentencing could cost him up to 60 years in prison and he would have to pay $750 000 in fines to correct his mistake. The priest was since relieved from his position at the church, and according to his lawyer Margaret Stanish, Kevin McAuliffe is sincerely apologetic for the hurt he caused by his actions.

    2. Sister Marie Thornton ? $850,000
    Otherwise known as Sister Susie, Sister Marie Thornton, blamed childhood demons for her gambling addiction which cost Iona College $850 000. The nun worked as Vice President of Finance at the college which fed into her gambling habit. Sister Marie Thornton was sentenced to community service and was court ordered to pay back less than half of the embezzled cash. The nun?s attorney claimed the reason Sister Susie sent fake invoices to the college because of her childhood past and the demons that influenced her. Sister Susie has since apologized asking for forgives from those that she hurt and those that she loved.

    1. Unnamed Swiss Priest ? $1,100,000
    A Swiss priest was caught taking loans from his parish followers has been forced to resign with immediate effect. The priest was using the money given in good faith to pay off his gambling debt of $1.1 million. When authorities caught wind of the embezzlement the situation worsened when they learned that, rather than seeking professional help, the man in question chose to fly to Russia and attend the World Cup. He is now attending therapy and hopes to restore his good faith.

    Last Updated: December 7, 2021

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    I don't know that they ever said he had a gambling issue, but apparently, Father Marcin liked to live the good life. Oh and he liked to take exotic vacations so he could molest kids...

    A former Rapid City priest convicted of stealing donations from Catholic churches is appealing his sentence.

    Marcin Garbacz's attorney told Eighth Circuit appeals court judges Thursday that the priest was ordered to pay restitution for money that wasn?t necessarily stolen.

    But the prosecutor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Koliner, said the priest deposited about $260,000 in cash that couldn?t be otherwise explained.

    After a weeklong jury trial in early 2020, Garbacz was convicted for stealing from three Catholic churches in Rapid City over several years.

    He deposited some of the money in his bank accounts and bought luxury items such as gold-plated chalices, bronze statues, a $10,000 diamond ring and a grand piano, according to court documents.

    The jury found him guilty of 50 counts of wire fraud as well as money laundering, transporting stolen money, and filing false tax returns, South Dakota Public Broadcasting reported.
    https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/pr...ee858559d.html

    A former Rapid City catholic priest was sentenced on Friday for child sex crimes on top of his current sentence for stealing from the church.

    Marcin Garbacz, a native of Poland, first pleaded not guilty, and then guilty for illicit sexual conduct in a foreign place.

    While traveling in Poland, Garbacz recorded video of an unclothed minor.
    https://www.newscenter1.tv/former-ra...ld-sex-crimes/
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    lol at Nestle being some vicious smiter, she's the nicest person on this site besides probably puzzld. Or at least the last person to resort to smiting.
    Quote Originally Posted by nestlequikie View Post
    Why on earth would I smite you when I can ban you?

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