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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/us/us...rnd/index.html

    US Soccer claims it won't pay women equally because being a male player requires more skill

    In its ongoing battle with the women's national team over equal pay, the US Soccer Federation says male players have "more responsibility" and the men's team "requires a higher level of skill" than their female counterparts.

    The federation made that argument in court documents filed Monday opposing a summary judgment in the gender discrimination lawsuit filed by the US Women's National Team against the federation in March 2019.

    According to the court filing, the job performed by players on the women's team requires less skill, effort and responsibility than the one performed by players on the men's team.

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    "... A reasonable juror could conclude that the job MNT player requires materially different skill and more responsibility than Plaintiff's job does, while also taking place under materially different working conditions," according to the federation's filing.

    The suit, with 28 members of the team listed as plaintiffs, alleges that the federation discriminates by paying women less than members of the men's national team "for substantially equal work and by denying them at least equal playing, training, and travel conditions; equal promotion of their games; equal support and development for their games; and other terms and conditions of employment equal to the MNT."

    The lawsuit is seeking more than $66 million in damages. A trial is scheduled to begin in May barring a resolution to the dispute.

    Federation says men's team requires more skill than the women's team

    The American women have had far more success recently than their male counterparts, winning four World Cups and four Olympic gold medals. The furthest the men's team has advanced in the World Cup was the 2002 quarterfinals. The men's team failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.

    In the court filing, attorneys for the USSF say it is not a "sexist stereotype" to recognize the different levels of speed and strength required for the two jobs. Rather, it is "indisputable science" that explains why the men have a greater physical ability to compete at their level than the women do at theirs, the filing says.

    The filing maintains that laws governing equal pay "explicitly applies to jobs that require equal skills, and not to employees that possess equal skills."

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    "The point is that the job of MNT player (competing against senior men's national teams) requires a higher level of skill based on speed and strength than does the job of WNT player (competing against senior women's national teams)," according to the court filing.

    Lawyers for the federation also wrote in the filing that the men's team brings in more revenue. The prize money payout the men's team takes in from winning FIFA-sponsored games far exceeds any amount that the women could receive, even by winning the Women's World Cup, according to the filing.

    Prize money for World Cup is set by FIFA, which oversees the global game, and is paid to the winner's federation, not to the players.

    Television viewership for men's games is higher and that the organization receives more broadcasting revenue from the men's games aired on TV, according to the filing.

    "MNT players have responsibility for competing in multiple soccer tournaments with the potential for generating a total of more than $40 million in prize money for U.S. Soccer every four years," they said. "WNT players compete in only one soccer tournament every four years that has the potential to generate any prize money at all, and most recently that amounted to one-tenth of the amount the MNT players could generate."

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    The federation defended its practices by noting the difference in pay structure for the men's and women's teams. Pay for both teams is determined by separate collective bargaining agreements reached with the federation.

    US Soccer is required to "pay a $100,000 annual salary to a minimum number of 'WNT Contracted Players' each year" even if they do not play for the national team. The federation cited forward Alex Morgan's pregnancy as one example of a player receiving a salary even when she cannot play. Morgan is receiving 75% of her salary while on maternity leave.

    Men's team players do not receive a salary from US Soccer, and they are paid only when they are called up to play for the men's team, according to the filing.

    The organization argues that the women may, in fact, be getting more compensation than the men because the women's collective bargaining agreement calls for US Soccer to play $350,000 annually to the player's union. According to the filing, money paid to unions is considered "pay" to an employee under the Equal Pay Act.

    "All these facts demonstrate that the job of MNT player carries more responsibility within U.S. Soccer than the job of WNT player, from an [Equal Pay Act] standpoint," the document states.

    Women's team is 'looking forward to trial'

    "This ridiculous 'argument' belongs in the Paleolithic Era. It sounds as if it has been made by a caveman," Molly Levinson, a spokeswoman for the women's national team, told CNN Sports.

    "Literally everyone in the world understands that an argument that male players 'have more responsibility' is just plain simple sexism and illustrates the very gender discrimination that caused us to file this lawsuit to begin with. So, looking forward to trial on May 5."

    The American Outlaws, a supporter's group of fans of US Soccer, said the organization that administers soccer in the US should be pursuing more equality, not arguing that the women's game is inferior to the men's.

    "The American Outlaws find that viewpoint objectionable and it is disappointing to see the federation make such an argument," the group posted on Twitter.

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    This is ridiculous. I don't know why US Soccer isn't being honest about this being a financial decision. I'd have a helluva lot more respect for them if they just admitted MNT makes more $$$ than the women because they bring in more revenue - the same reason the cast of "Friends" was paid more than the cast of "Truth be Told." In the world of sports, revenue drives the salary train. It's not rocket science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimTisha View Post
    This is ridiculous. I don't know why US Soccer isn't being honest about this being a financial decision. I'd have a helluva lot more respect for them if they just admitted MNT makes more $$$ than the women because they bring in more revenue - the same reason the cast of "Friends" was paid more than the cast of "Truth be Told." In the world of sports, revenue drives the salary train. It's not rocket science.
    Yep. Just quit. Set up some reasonable % of revenues (same for both women and men's league) and call it a day. Then if your league makes more money, so do you. It's sad that women's sports tend to have smaller audiences, but whatcha gonna do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puzzld View Post
    Yep. Just quit. Set up some reasonable % of revenues (same for both women and men's league) and call it a day. Then if your league makes more money, so do you. It's sad that women's sports tend to have smaller audiences, but whatcha gonna do.
    I like this idea. I'm not a fan of any sport to be honest (unless thoroughbred racing and figure skating count), but out of all the team sports, women's basketball is the only one I'd bother watching.
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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/nj...rnd/index.html

    A New Jersey Superior Court judge was removed from his position after several misconduct claims, including because he asked an alleged rape victim how she tried to stop an assault.

    Judge John F. Russo Jr. was ordered removed from his position by the New Jersey Supreme Court, according to Chief Justice Stuart Rabner in a court opinion filed May 26. The removal is effective immediately and permanently bars Russo -- who served in Ocean County -- from holding a judicial office in New Jersey, according to the order.

    The removal comes after a complaint was filed in August 2018 by the Supreme Court of New Jersey Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct, the opinion said. The complaint alleges four counts of misconduct both in the courtroom and by asking personal favors from court staff.

    In one of the misconduct claims, the complaint said Russo questioned a woman about how she tried to stop an alleged sexual assault, including if she "tried to "block [her] body parts" or "close her legs," after she fully described her assault allegations to the court.

    "His conduct breached the public's trust," Rabner said in the opinion. "His pattern of misconduct and unethical behavior not only undermined the integrity of different court proceedings but also impaired his integrity and the Judiciary's. His overall behavior reflects a lack of probity and fitness to serve as a judge."

    CNN has reached out to Russo's attorney for comment and has not heard back.

    According to the order, Russo "claimed he was trying to help a 'demoralized' witness on cross-examination and 'get her re-engaged in the hearing.'"

    In the court's opinion, Rabner responded to this claim saying that not only did the witness testify clearly, but that Russo's "coarse questions" were not relevant. Overall, Rabner said, Russo's comments after the hearing were "neither appropriate nor tasteful."

    In response to another count in the opinion, Rabner said that Russo had a nine-minute phone exchange in front of a crowded courtroom with a woman who was a defendant of a paternity case. He called the woman, who missed her court date.

    When the woman phoned back, the call was routed to the Russo's courtroom. The woman told Russo she didn't attend because she "was very scared," it said in the opinion.

    The judge then requested her address to send her a paternity order, but the woman didn't want to give her address because she was afraid for the safety of her children.

    Instead she asked for it to be sent to her lawyer, the complaint said.

    In response, Russo allegedly said, "he's going to find you, ma'am. We're all going to find you."

    In the opinion, Rabner described Russo's comments as "disturbing" and "reflected poorly on his temperament."

    The other counts relate to Russo asking for preferential treatment for scheduling his son's custody case. He also declined to recuse himself from a high school classmate's spousal support case, the opinion said.

    The court said that they considered mitigating factors when considering Russo's removal, including "an otherwise clean disciplinary record" and the respondent expressing remorse.

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