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    20 people were killed in a limousine accident in Schoharie, N.Y.

    I hope I'm putting this in the right place. There are too many to put into "Submit A Death" but I hope someone will transfer to Article Archive. I live less than a hour from this place and I'm hoping no one I know was involved. I wish a safe journey for their souls.

    https://cbs12.com/news/nation-world/...state-new-york

    SCHOHARIE, N.Y. (WRGB/AP) -- New York State Police report 20 are dead after a two-car crash in upstate New York reportedly involving a wedding limousine.

    The crash occurred Saturday in Schoharie. The Albany Times Union reported one of the cars involved was a limousine to be carrying a wedding party.

    Police reported the crash happened just before 2 p.m. and initially they recognized there were "multiple fatalities." The accident occurred outside Apple Barrel Country Store, a popular tourist location.

    Some of the injured were flown to Albany Medical Center Hospital. The National Transportation Safety Board is conducting an investigation.

    Police are holding a media availability Sunday at 3 p.m. to provide more information on the accident.
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    JFC. I was at a wedding Saturday and missed this shit completely. This is horrifying. Oddly enough, we had to drive well over an hour to our location -- a farm in upstate Colorado -- and the whole drive back I was on pins and needles because freeway traffic is terrifying. <y heart goes out to these people. Ugh.


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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ad-new-n917826

    Limo involved in crash that killed 20 never should have been on the road, New York governor says

    The limousine involved in an accident that killed 20 people in upstate New York on Saturday, including two pedestrians and all those riding inside, failed an inspection last month and should not have been on the road, according to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

    "The owner of the company had no business putting a failed vehicle on the road," Cuomo said on Monday while speaking to press.

    Cuomo also said the driver of the vehicle, identified by multiple law enforcement officials as Scott Lisnicchia, 53, did not have the specific license — a commercial driver's license with a passenger endorsement — required to drive the limousine.

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    The operator of a limousine company at the center of an investigation of the crash in upstate New York that killed 20 people was arrested Wednesday and charged with criminally negligent homicide, according to the State Police.

    Nauman Hussain, the son of a Shahed Hussain, the owner of Prestige Limousine, was taken into custody by the State Police during a traffic stop on a highway in the Albany area.

    The arrest came four days after a stretch limousine, rented out by Prestige, ran through a stop sign in Schoharie, N.Y., a town about 40 miles west of Albany, struck two pedestrians and a parked car, and landed in a shallow ravine. All 17 passengers and the limousine’s driver were killed, as were two pedestrians.

    The arrest is the latest development in a fast-moving investigation focusing on the limousine — a 2001 Ford Excursion — that had repeatedly failed inspections, including one as recently as last month.

    The company, which was doing business out of a low-budget hotel north of Albany, has been visited multiple times by State Police investigators, who are also seeking the elder Mr. Hussain, a former F.B.I. informant.

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    https://www.wmur.com/article/god-mad...crash/24215439

    Janet Steenburg says her middle son Axel was never good at keeping surprises.

    When he and his wife, Amy, came over for dinner three weeks ago, he told Janet excitedly that he'd rented a party bus to go to a Cooperstown brewery for Amy's 30th birthday. Axel had done the same thing for his bachelor party in June. This time, he'd invited his older brother and best friend Rich, Rich's wife, Kim, Amy's three sisters and their husbands, and a dozen other friends.

    The day before the party, Rich took his stepson out of school to watch the latest Marvel comic movie — a tradition. That night, Janet stopped by Rich and Kim's house in Mayfield to pick up a carton of cigarettes he'd bought for her, but found two packs missing.

    "You snooze, you lose," Rich said with a laugh. Like every Friday, he was at home playing the board game Dungeons and Dragons with his best friends.

    That same night, the party bus canceled. Axel scrambled the next morning and found Prestige limousine company, based in Gansevoort, to transport the group.

    Rich offered to stay home with his wife, Kim, who was recovering from a headache, but she told him to go have fun with his brother. When he left, Kim remembers with unsettling hindsight, she kept hugging and kissing him, unable to let go.

    Kim was waiting for Rich to come home at 6 p.m. on Saturday, Oct. 6, when she heard a knock at the door. She thought the detective from the State Police was joking when he told her there had been a limousine crash with only one female survivor — who also died later. Rich was a joker who always kept gullible Kim guessing, and she screamed at the detective to call Rich and stop the prank. Only when she tried to reach Axel and Amy, with no response, did the nightmare turn into reality.

    The limousine had crashed into the parking lot of Apple Barrel Country Store in Schoharie, killing two bystanders and 18 people inside the limo. Police found the rental receipt in Axel's name inside the limo and followed the registration plates of the cars parked at Axel and Amy's house to find Kim. She was the first family member of the 20 victims to learn about the deadliest transportation disaster in the U.S. since 2009.

    "I feel horrible and I feel lucky," said Kim, who originally planned to be in the limo with her husband Rich. "He was so full of life. He could turn the crappiest day into the best day of your life. We had all these plans. It doesn't seem right."

    The cause of the crash is still unknown. Police are conducting a criminal investigation into the incident, the limo company, which had state violations, and the owner, who had a checkered past.

    "I have so many questions," Kim said. "I don't understand why it was so important to make a dollar that they felt they needed to put all these people in jeopardy. I can't understand how anybody would be so selfish. I'm so mad."

    "God made a mistake"

    Family members remember Rich and Axel, 34 and 29, respectively, as gentle giants. Hilarious Rich always let his daughter put makeup on him. Tender-hearted Axel decided not to join the military as a weapons specialist because he said he didn't want to hurt anyone.

    The pair were pranksters and best men in each others' weddings. They worked at desks side by side at GlobalFoundries and lived together in an Amsterdam apartment before they both got married.

    Nearly three weeks after the crash that killed them, everyone is struggling to deal with grief in their own ways. Janet has been keeping herself busy, but has trouble sleeping. She finds herself waking up with her face wet, not even realizing she was crying in her sleep.

    Kim misses good morning texts from her husband and still finds herself watching for signs he's with her. Rich's 14-year-old stepson, Owen, sometimes stares at Rich's picture then withdraws to his room, but is stepping up to support his mom and stepsister. Rich's 10-year-old daughter, Aubrie, has been having meltdowns.

    "She understands he's gone," Kim said. "She doesn't understand why. She says, 'Everybody talks about God, but if he's such a good person, why would he do this to Daddy?'"

    "He would have never left her if he had a choice," Janet said. "They say it was God's choice, but God made a mistake. If God had asked them, there's not one of them kids that would have left. They all had plans."

    Axel and Amy had recently purchased a house in Amsterdam; Rich and Kim were scheduled to close on one in Gloversville next month. Axel and Amy were hoping to start a family next year.

    "They talked about growing old together, but what's growing old, three months?" Janet said, referring to the couple's recent wedding. "To me that's the worst part, the end of what they had to offer."

    "The original love couple"

    Kim and Rich met through mutual friends 14 years ago. A year later, they had their daughter, Aubrie, but then split up. They reconnected when they started working together and carpooling. This time, Kim said, everything felt right.

    Two months later, Rich proposed on her birthday. In June 2016, they were married in a rose garden — the way Kim wanted — and had a barbecue in an outdoor tent for their reception — the way Rich wanted.

    Rich towered at six feet tall and weighed more than 200 pounds, his burly body covered in tattoos, but he would lie on the floor and play Barbies with Aubrie. He let her braid his beard and put makeup on him. Sometimes when Janet showed up at the house, he would open the door with lipstick on. Once he went to the beach with his weightlifting buddies, his toes adorned with purple nail polish.

    The couple planned a honeymoon cruise to the Bahamas in January and were closing on a house in November. Now, Kim will go on the cruise with her sisters and is figuring out how she can afford the house on her own. She said she's received offers from at least 72 people to help her move next month.

    The week after Rich's death, Kim invited his best friends to come over and play Dungeons and Dragons, like they always did on Friday nights. Kim moved the urn with Rich's ashes on a stand closer to them and joked that "Rich was watching, you got a lot of pressure" — to which they all laughed.

    Axel and Amy met at a friend's party. Axel thought Amy was cute, but she was the one who messaged him on Facebook later to meet up. They were together ever since their first date.

    They lived together in an apartment in Amsterdam for a year before buying a house. The couple got married at a winery in June on what Janet called the "hottest day of the year" and the wedding party ran through sprinklers during the reception. Axel and Amy went on their honeymoon to Ireland and vacationed in Hawaii last year.

    "They were the original love couple. They were so much alike it was scary. You could see the love pour out of them for each other, just by the way they looked at each other," Janet said.

    Amy called Axel her bear and he called her his bee. When GlobalFoundries brought Axel's belongings from his desk at work to Janet, there were around 200 sticky notes among his things. They were all from Amy, put in his lunch each day, and in different ways said "I love you."

    But before the brothers were best men in each others' weddings, they were best friends growing up in Gloversville.

    "A wicked team"

    The brothers' bond started at birth: Janet said five-year-old Rich, who she called Richie, was thrilled when Axel arrived. The two were later joined by a younger brother Eric, now 25.

    "Together they were a wicked team," Janet said. "They were just so funny together. They would feed off each other."

    When they were young, the pair pretended Rich was beating Axel up on the road until cars stopped to intervene — then they made a run for the house. Rich sometimes picked Janet up and carried her into different rooms or even locked her outside as a joke.

    "He was always bubbly, always smiling and laughing," Janet said. "If he thought he hurt your feelings he would be the first one to apologize."

    Janet said Axel, who was sweet, followed in Rich's footsteps. The brothers got into weightlifting and set up a home gym in the basement. They both attended Gloversville schools then Fulton-Montgomery Community College, worked as direct support specialists at disability advocacy organization Liberty Arc, and as process integration technicians at GlobalFoundries.

    On weekends, the brothers worked for a moving company together. After their deaths, their boss sent a message to Janet praising them for how they turned around his business and treated customers.

    "I hope my kids grow up to be like them," the message read.

    The day after the fatal crash, Janet reached into her purse for the last pack of cigarettes she'd gotten from Rich. It was half-empty. She said it was a poignant reminder of her sons who always made her laugh — "the last way of getting me."

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    I finally made an article - we have proper social media links for 17 of the deceased.

    http://mydeathspace.com/article/2018...choharie,_N_Y_

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    Seatbelts could’ve saved lives in upstate limo crash that killed 20: report

    https://nypost.com/2019/10/02/seatbe...led-20-report/

    Horrific photos showing the remains of the stretch limo involved in last year’s deadly upstate crash that killed 20 people were released Wednesday — as investigators said some of the passengers may have survived if they’d been wearing seat belts.

    The never-before-seen photos revealed in the National Transportation Safety Board’s safety recommendation report showed the totally destroyed and crumpled front of the white stretch limo, a customized 2001 Ford Excursion, in the aftermath of the Oct. 6 wreck in Schoharie.

    That tragic afternoon, the limo, driven by 53-year-old Scott Lisinicchia, sped through a stop sign at a T-intersection in the rural town and barreled into a small ravine, killing the driver, all 17 passengers inside, including four sisters and three of their husbands, as well as two bystanders.

    The NTSB wrote in its report that despite the severe damage to the vehicle — operated by Prestige Limousine and previously modified into a stretch limo — “rear portions of the passenger compartment remained relatively intact,” so some of those in the back could have lived if the vehicle had more readily available seatbelts and if those inside had been wearing them.

    “Because survival space was maintained in a portion of the passenger compartment and the passengers may have had an opportunity to ride-down the crash forces … injuries to occupants within the passenger compartment might have been mitigated by a combination of adequate seat integrity, well-designed passenger lap/shoulder belts, and proper seat belt use,” the NTSB wrote in the 15-page report.

    “These were not available in the crash limousine,” the report said.

    Evidence indicated that none of the passengers were wearing seat belts at the time, the report said.

    Regardless, the passenger belts in the limo weren’t the original ones that came with the car, “were not properly designed for occupant crash protection” and were “under the bench seats and invisible to passengers.”

    An NTSB reconstruction of the limousine after the crash in Schoharie, New York.NTSB
    Lisinicchia was wearing his seatbelt at the time of the crash and the airbag in the vehicle deployed, but “the “crash was not survivable” for him, the report said.

    In the days after the wreck – which was the deadliest US crash in a decade – it was revealed that the driver and limo should have never been on the road as he wasn’t properly licensed and the vehicle had failed a state safety inspection a month earlier.

    The limo company’s operator, 29-year-old Nauman Hussain, has been charged with criminally negligent homicide and manslaughter in the case.

    The NTSB report does not say what caused the wreck, but notesthat the probable cause will be established in its final accident report once it wraps up the investigation.

    Meanwhile, the report calls for new national requirements for seating and seat belt systems on limousines.

    A 2010 photograph of the limousine’s interior.NTSB
    The agency recommended that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration require lap and shoulder belts for each passenger seating position on all new vehicles modified to be used as limousines.

    It also recommended that seating systems in these vehicles meet minimum performance standards “to ensure their integrity during a crash.”

    The NTSB called on the National Limousine Association to educate members on the benefits of proper seat belt use and recommended that the state Department of Transportation ensure all limousine belts are functional and accessible in its regular inspection process.

    Currently in New York, limousines are not required to have seat belts for the rear passengers.

    The state Senate passed a series of bills in June aimed at preventing fatal limo crashes like the one in Schoharie. Out of the nine bills passed, only one also made it through the state Assembly.

    Enlarge ImageThe limo after it crashed, killing 18 people in the vehicle and two bystanders.
    The limo after it crashed, killing 18 people in the vehicle and two bystanders.NTSB
    A bill that would require seat belts in any altered vehicle transporting nine or more passengers has only passed the Senate.

    Following the release of the NTSB report, state Department of Transportation Commissioner Marie Therese Dominguez said the NTSB’s recommendation that the state “incorporate the inspection of seatbelts for functionality and accessibility into [the agency’s] biannual vehicle inspection process” is “something that in fact has been standard protocol in our process since the early 1990s and are incorporated into the Code of Rules and Regulations for New York State.”








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    Those photos are absolutely horrific. I feel so badly for the families of those who died because of the negligence of a shady business owner. This guy has been getting away with way to much for too long.

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