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    Soccer team missing in cave in Thailand found alive

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ago/ar-AAzpchU

    Thai provincial governor says all 12 boys and their coach found alive in cave where they went missing over a week ago.

    This is a developing news update. AP's earlier story follows...

    MAE SAI, Thailand (AP) ? Rescue divers on Monday were making progress through a key passageway inside the flooded mountain cave in northern Thailand where 12 boys and their soccer coach have been missing for more than a week.

    Thai navy SEALs said in a Facebook post early Monday that divers since Sunday night had reached a bend where the kilometer- (half-mile-) long passage splits in two directions. The divers are aiming for a sandy chamber on higher ground in the cave, where they believe the group would be safe.


    The boys, aged 11 to 16, and their 25-year-old coach entered Tham Luang Nang Non cave in Chiang Rai province on June 23. Heavy rains that flooded key passages are believed to have trapped the soccer players and have thwarted the search for them.

    Divers have been stymied again and again by muddy water rising filing sections of the cave and forcing them to withdraw for safety reasons. When water levels dropped Sunday, the divers went forward with a more methodical approach, deploying a rope line and extra oxygen supplies along the way.

    "I hope that today we will continue to have another good day. It will be even better if everything else could run smoothly," Chiang Rai Gov. Narongsak Osatanakorn told reporters Monday.
    Thai Buddhist monks pray for 12 boys and their soccer coach went missing, in Mae Sai, Chiang Rai province, in northern Thailand, Sunday, July 1, 2018. Thai navy divers leading the search for the boys and their soccer coach in a cave have failed to make much headway in their effort to push through the murk of a kilometer- (half-mile-) long chamber to what is believed to be a clear area leading to where the missing may be sheltering, officials said.(AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit) ? The Associated Press Thai Buddhist monks pray for 12 boys and their soccer coach went missing, in Mae Sai, Chiang Rai province, in northern Thailand, Sunday, July 1, 2018. Thai navy divers leading the search for the boys and their soccer coach in a cave have failed to make much headway in their effort to push through the murk of a kilometer- (half-mile-) long chamber to what is believed to be a clear area leading to where the missing may be sheltering, officials said.(AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit)

    He said the passageway the divers are making their way through goes upward in some places and downward in others and is extremely narrow. It is difficult for divers with all their gear to fit through.

    In addition to the divers, teams have been working to pump out water as well as divert groundwater. Other efforts have focused on finding shafts on the mountainside that might serve as a back door to the blocked-off areas where the missing may be sheltering.

    Teams have been combing the mountainside looking for fissure that might lead to such shafts. Several have been found and explorers have been able to descend into some, but so far it is not clear whether they lead to anywhere useful.

    Narongsak said they were focusing Sunday on two of the shafts.

    Experts in cave rescues from around the world continued to gather at the site. An official Australian group has now followed a U.S. military team, British cave experts, Chinese lifesaving responders and several other volunteer groups from various countries.
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    Kids are still in the cave...
    https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...2381d0bfac6dcb
    Rescue teams have found the 12 boys and their coach alive ? but getting them out of the cave will be a challenge, Pat Moret, a rescue consultant, tells CNN.

    The team will likely need a lot of medical treatment before they can be moved.

    "They'll need fluids replacing possibly feeding. They're going to need reheating. They've possibly been lying still for days now. And sensory faculties won't be what they should be. So I would think that they're not really fit to move for maybe 12 hours or so really."

    After that, the kids and their coach may need to dive to get out of the cave, Moret said.

    "Worst case scenario is that they have to dive them out. So they're being fully immersed in water, wearing what we know is a full face mask or maybe even some sort of commercial dive helmet to make it a little less stressful for them. But it will be a truly terrifying experience," Moret said.
    Much more at link...
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    The idiot who took those kids in there should be sent to prison!

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    12 Boys & Soccer Coach Trapped Deep Inside Thai Cave With Monsoonal Floodwaters Rising

    Has anyone been following this? It's about to get pretty dramatic. These kids have a real chance of dying during any rescue attempt because they're all non-swimmers & they may have less than 24 hrs to learn how to successfully use breathing apparatus well enough to complete a dangerous & lengthy cave dive. The cave dive difficulty has been described as "beyond the capabilities of 99% of trained scuba divers" & also beyond the capabilities of all but a very few experienced & highly trained cave diving teams.

    Multiple countries are sending experts to assist

    I don't know WTF their coach was thinking taking them in there??! There's not much point criticising him right now though because he could be dead soon too - I don't think he can swim either



    https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/t...7a275a9713312b


    Cave rescue underway to free Thai schoolboys

    AUTHORITIES are racing to drain water from a flooded cave in Thailand as part of a desperate attempt to save 12 trapped schoolboys and their football coach.

    The world watches with bated breath while the boys ? who have been stranded for almost two weeks now ? are reportedly being trained in how to breathe with scuba equipment as they prepare for a possible attempt at leaving the cave this morning.

    Timing is crucial in the complex operation as heavy storms are soon forecast to arrive, which could make it impossible to evacuate the group for months.

    A 24/7 draining operation is now in place, but Thai authorities are still understood to be weighing up the best method of extracting the boys. The best option would be to rid the cave almost entirely of water, which would allow the stranded group to crawl 4km to safety, but they would still need to pass through short underwater passages.

    However, because of the looming monsoon rains forecast to hit the area later this week, Thai authorities believe teaching the boys to dive so they can be escorted out of the system by rescue divers, is the most realistic option.

    A cave explorer assisting Thai authorities trying to rescue the schoolboys believes ?we?ll know in the next 24 hours? if they will survive.

    British cave expert Vern Unsworth, who lives in Thailand, said the conditions were getting worse and there was now a narrow window in which the group could escape.

    ?I think we?ll know in the next 24 hours ? We?ll keep our fingers crossed, everybody needs to pray and hope for a good outcome,? Mr Unsworth told the BBC.

    The boys aged between 11 and 16, along with their football coach, have been trapped in the flooded Tham Luang cave system for 12 days.

    But heavy monsoon rain is coming, and Mr Unsworth said rain that had already fallen had caused a dramatic rise in water levels in the cave.

    ?The main thing is to try to get the children to safety. We have to keep hoping. The water levels are rising, we had a lot of rain overnight.?

    He said the temperature of the water was cold, although the air temperature wasn?t an issue.

    The challenge ahead of the group is enormous ? they cannot swim and are not divers. They have also been weak after spending days without food, but are gaining in strength after being given high-protein drinks.

    Authorities insist they won?t begin the rescue mission that has gripped the whole world until it was safe to do so. It will be dawn there at about 8.30am AEST.

    ?We have to be 100 per cent confident that there is no risk to the boys before we evacuate,? Narongsak Osottanakorn, Chiang Rai provincial governor, told reporters.

    ?We will take care of them like they are our own children,? he said. The group are being taught how to use diving masks and breathing apparatus, he added, but from the safety of the muddy bank which for now remains their sanctuary.


    Getting out of the cave won?t be easy. It will require diving of about a kilometre which could not be completed all at once. In total, it was expected to take three hours.

    Another British expert, Gary Mitchell, described the challenging conditions. ?There?s air pockets along the way,? he told the Associated Press.

    ?It?s confined spaces. It?s almost zero visibility. There?s currents to battle against in places as well. So it?s really quite a strenuous environment to be in.?

    Doctors and nurses were seen moving up to the entrance of the flooded cave last night, fuelling speculation that an attempt was imminent.

    Medical staff were filmed leaving the staging area further down the slope and were on the move to the mouth of the cave as reports emerged the rescue mission could begin as soon as this morning.

    DIVE LESSONS

    Classmates and friends of the schoolboys also reportedly were near the cave?s entrance singing songs of support.

    After a day of sustained pumping efforts, water levels inside the massive cave complex have been reduced and fierce currents have eased, The Australian reports.

    However, that was before rain lashed the area yesterday afternoon.

    The newspaper reports it has been told that fast-water currents inside the cave have eased to a standstill and with monsoonal rains expected to resume by Friday, conditions for the rescue are as good as they are likely to get.

    Royal Thai Navy SEALs have been teaching the boys and their coach ? none of whom can swim ? how to breathe in a full face scuba mask.

    Chiang Rai provincial governor Narongsak Osatanakorn said also warned not all of the 12 schoolboys and their coach may be able to come out of the cave at the same time.

    ?If the condition is right and if that person is ready 100 per cent, he can come out,? he said.

    Thai authorities have been working with Navy SEALs to run a fibre optic internet line into the flooded cave so that phone calls can be made in and out.


    The trapped boys went in to write their names on the cave walls.Source:Supplied


    The cave rescue may begin on Thursday morning before the rains.Source:Supplied



    Despite the imminent danger, the children have appeared in a new video, laughing as they greet the camera to say they are in good health.

    The footage, published on the Thai Navy SEAL Facebook page, runs by 11 of the 13 members of the team, each makes a traditional Thai greeting gesture to the camera before introducing themselves by nickname and saying ?I?m in good health?.

    Some appeared to be wearing a change of clothes since they were found late Monday and most were wrapped in foil warming blankets.

    The reason the boys entered the cave, according to a Dutch diver working in Thailand, was to write their names on the wall as part of an initiation ritual.

    Sky News reported that Dutch diver Ben Reymenants, who runs a diving school in Phuket, had made contact with the boys.

    He said when the boys ventured into the Tham Luang Nang Non cave complex to write their names on the walls, a flash flood trapped them.

    ?They left their backpacks and their shoes before wading in there, trying to go to the end of the tunnel like an initiation for local young boys,? he said.

    RESCUE OPTIONS

    The Interior Minister Anupong Paojinda said evacuating the boys ?must speed up? as soon as possible before more rain falls and exacerbates the flooding.

    The grim forecast could force authorities to have the children ? who cannot swim ? out through a narrow, underwater passage in the cave.


    ?If something happens midway, it could be life-threatening.? Mr Paojinda said.

    ?Diving is not easy. For people who have never done it, it will be difficult, unlike diving in a swimming pool, because the cave?s features have small channels.?

    There are a couple of other options on the table if that doesn?t work and the heavy rains subside.


    The ordeal is far from over for the trapped boys. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

    Authorities are considering digging them out of the cave, but if this goes wrong it could cause the cavern where the team has taken refuge to cave in.

    Rescuers could potentially drain the caves enough to allow the boys to wade or float out with life vests.

    The final option is to leave them in there for three or four months until the rains subside.


    The boys are still alive and well. Picture: suppliedSource:Supplied

    Detective Superintendent Thomas Hester said the team of six divers from the Australian Federal Police faced ?incredibly challenging? conditions.

    Rescuers have asked for 15 small and extra small full face masks, leading to speculation that divers were preparing a rescue mission through the 750-metre flooded stretch of the Tham Luang Nang Non cave.

    Media have been told it was too dangerous to use conventional breathing apparatus as it could easily be knocked out during the dive.


    There are several options on the table. Picture: The SunSource:The Sun

    While efforts to pump out floodwaters are continuing, it?s clear that some areas of the sprawling cavern cannot be drained, said Mr Paojinda, a member of Thailand?s ruling military junta.

    In order to get them out ahead of the bad weather forecast for later in the week, they might need to use diving gear while being guided by professional divers, he said.

    Mr Anupong said the boys would be brought out via the same complicated route through which their rescuers entered, and he conceded that if something went awry, it could be disastrous.



    Digging the boys out is one option. Picture: AFP PHOTO / Lillian SuwanrumphaSource:AFP

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    Puzz started a thread on this a few days ago.
    http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...nd-found-alive

    This update isn't sounding good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Puzz started a thread on this a few days ago.
    http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...nd-found-alive

    This update isn't sounding good.
    Bugger.Thanks :)

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    I don't know how I missed your thread Puzz, since I posted my duplicate in exactly the same sub. But then I couldn't even get my shit together yesterday to remember a takeaway order or to notice my own bus stop coming up, so that probably explains it.

    Anyway, here's my duplicate thread which has a pretty detailed article on circs relating to the rescue hazards & background on the kids etc



    http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthrea...waters-Riscent




    So as of 7.30am AEST it sounds like the dive teams are going to try & bring them out. & apparently it's not just rising water & weakening health that are concerning rescuers enough to push for this life threatening attempt within the next 48hrs - it's the oxygen levels within the cave itself. I'd assumed they could stay down there for months if the water didn't rise too high, I assumed it was deep & cavernous & that oxygen wasn't an issue. But obviously this is not the case.


    Yesterday they said they were trying to put in an internet cable so the boys could talk to their parents. If they do that, I really hope these kids don't get access to web searches because I doubt they have any idea there's still a good chance they have just hours to live. If this coach survives, & he may not because he's one of the weakest in the group, I don't see how he can escape legal consequences of some sort.

    I read somewhere that this wasn't even a planned excursion/field trip like I assumed - it's an initiation ritual for the soccer club, where new recruits have to make it all the way to the very back wall of the cave & sign their names to prove they'd done it.

    If this 25 yr old man potentially led young kids to their deaths on a stupid initiation ritual, I'm going to agree with Saleen for possibly the only time in eternity. Fuck this guy, I don't care that one parent is defending him. He's Thai, local & an adult. He fucking knows when monsoon season is brewing.





    Desperate push to free boys from Thai cave within 48 hours, before heavy rains hit

    BY SOUTH-EAST ASIA CORRESPONDENT LIAM COCHRANE
    UPDATED ABOUT AN HOUR AGO

    Two workers, one wearing an army hat and one a yellow hard hat, carry an oxygen tank with a diver walking behind them

    PHOTO Two of the boys are in a weaker condition, as is their coach, who sacrificed his share of food to give to the boys.

    Rescuers are making every effort to extract at least the strongest of the trapped footballers from a Thai cave before heavy rains forecast for Saturday, according to a military source.

    Key points:

    ? Navy source says two of the boys are in a weaker condition

    ? He said the 25-year-old coach, who sacrificed his share of food, is also feeling weak

    ? The source dismissed reports that water levels inside the cave had dropped by 40 per cent

    ? A navy source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the ABC three factors are driving the urgency ? the water
    level inside the cave, the amount of oxygen available, and the health of the boys and their coach.

    "The pressure we are experiencing comes from working against the weather, as the forecasts tell us there will be heavy rain in this area within 48 hours," he said.



    Two men in wetsuits and helmets with torches carry air tanks, standing against a lush rainforest background.
    PHOTO International rescuers are hoping to evacuate at least some of the boys before heavy rains hit.


    The soccer team was trapped in a cave system known as Tham Luang on June 23, surviving for nine days before rescue divers found them on a muddy ledge.

    The navy source said two of the boys are in a weaker condition, as is the 25-year-old coach, who sacrificed his share of their meagre food supplies to give to the boys.


    The decision whether to attempt a risky dive and scramble through four kilometres of tunnels continued to dominate announcements from officials on Thursday.

    The navy source said rescue coordinators face tough choices and there are differences of opinion among those providing assessments.

    Australian Defence Force and Australian Federal Police personnel are among those providing advice, but have been tight-lipped about whether to attempt an extraction or wait ? possibly until the end of the rainy season around October.


    Australian Federal Police and Defense Force personnel talk to a Thai rescuer
    PHOTO Teaching the boys to dive out of the cave is one of the rescue options being considered.


    Chiang Rai Provincial Governor Narongsak Osottanakorn has been the public face of the rescue effort and on Thursday gave the most detailed description yet of preparations.

    "This morning, I have asked for 13 sets of equipment to be prepared and to check the equipment lists and place them inside in case we have to bring them out in this condition with less than 100 per cent readiness," said Mr Narongsak at a media briefing.

    "I have asked the doctor and the SEAL team who are working on the rescue operation to assess the situation and see what risk level we can take."

    "For example, if we can accept the 90 per cent safety level, and if all conditions are at that 90 per cent, then we are ready to bring them out. And that's what we are prepared for."

    A map shared by a Thai diving website shows the difficult conditions diving rescuers would face.


    PHOTO A map shared by a Thai diving website demonstrates the difficult conditions diving rescuers would face.

    Officials confirmed members of the team have started to learn to scuba dive.

    Tent city appears in national park

    Hundreds of Thais bring free food, massage tents and even barber shops to a remote national park in a bid to support rescuers.

    The navy source said the biggest challenge for the boys would be a 200-metre stretch of completely flooded cave that makes up part of the 600-metre section between so-called "Pattaya Beach" and Chamber Three, where an operation centre has been set up.

    From Chamber Three it is still another 2 kilometres to the cave entrance.

    Some parts of the journey will be walkable.

    The navy source dismissed reports the water level inside the cave had dropped by 40 per cent.

    "Forty per cent of what?" he asked.

    The source said water levels are being monitored at three key spots ? the cave entrance, Chamber Three and "Pattaya Beach".

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    A diver has died after running out of air after delivering supplies to those trapped in the cave: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...rescue-effort/


    I've tried to avoid following this too closely, because FUCK. It's awful. Being trapped somewhere like this is one of my worst nightmares. I was a total mental case waiting for those Chilean miners to be rescued years ago, but at least those guys weren't trapped by water. And these are KIDS.

    If my kid was in that cave, I'd have to be put in a psych ward and sedated indefinitely. I just can't even imagine.
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    Yeah, I was saying exactly the same thing yesterday about being a complete mess if I had to deal with something like this. They're all there, safe & relatively healthy and there's nothing anyone can do to stop this tragedy unfolding. It's fucking horrible. (plus I do. not. like. deep, dark expanses of water & cave diving pix have always given me the horrors)


    & jfc I came here because I just saw the news about the diver. This is really terrible news. If those highly trained guys are dying on these dives what hope do these non-swimming kids have? They're going to go into the water dragging live kids & come out the other end as a body recovery. Drilling down to them to create another exit is the only real option but they just don't have time to do it.


    Also sounds like there's been conflict over how to do the extractions, which I guess isn't surprising considering there are elite teams from several countries all involved in the efforts. Maybe opinions against bringing them out with scuba gear will be given more weight now they've lost one of their own divers



    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-0...e-dies/9949622

    Thai authorities say a former Navy SEAL working to rescue the boys and their soccer coach trapped in a cave has died from lack of oxygen.

    Saman Kunan, a former member of Thailand's elite Navy SEAL unit who was part of the rescue team in Chiang Rai, died on Thursday night after entering the cave to lay oxygen tanks along a potential exit route, the SEAL commander said.

    SEAL commander Arpakorn Yookongkaew told a news conference on Friday morning the rescuer was working in a volunteer capacity and died during an overnight mission in which he was placing oxygen canisters.

    The ABC's Anne Barker at the scene

    I am sure it (the diver's death) has jolted morale here because today is the day that people are expecting their first efforts to bring these boys out.

    There was a decision apparently overnight, that this will be the way they try to bring the boys out … by scuba-diving gear. They have been given training in using scuba masks and swimming with tanks.

    The preparations are that they would bring out the strongest boys first and it will be potentially a multi-day event, depending on how many boys they bring out at one time.

    Certainly, any of the methods they were assessing, including drilling from above or just waiting until the rains subside, which could be months … are all fraught with risks and difficulties.

    The ABC understands he was diving late last night to get to the chamber where the boys are trapped.

    Mr Saman, 38, set out at 8:37pm local time to deliver three oxygen tanks from chamber three to where the boys and their coach are located.

    He completed his task but on the way back lost consciousness. His diving partner performed CPR but was unable to revive him.

    Mr Saman was brought to chamber three but was pronounced dead about 1:00am (local time) on Friday.

    He is one of about 80 Thai Navy SEALs. They make up the bulk of the divers that are running the rescue effort.

    Tent city appears in national park

    Hundreds of Thais bring free food, massage tents and even barber shops to a remote national park in a bid to support rescuers.

    Rear Admiral Arpakorn said despite the tragedy, the rescuers "will continue until we accomplish our mission".

    "In that 1,700 metre section [it] is very treacherous," he said.

    "Last night's operation was to bring the oxygen tanks to the mound, which should take about five to six hours each way, so altogether it takes about 12 hours.

    "This is what we train for, this is what we have to face, an incident like this can always happen but we're not losing our motivation.

    "We won't let the life lost be wasted."

    He said Thailand's King had ordered a royally-endorsed funeral ceremony.

    Mr Saman was a former clearance diver for the Navy SEALs, and Thai media has reported he was more recently working in a security role at Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi Airport.

    Thai authorities are racing to pump out water from a flooded cave where 12 boys and their soccer coach have been trapped since June 23.

    A navy source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the ABC three factors were driving the urgency — the water level inside the cave, the amount of oxygen available, and the health of the boys and their coach.

    "The pressure we are experiencing comes from working against the weather, as the forecasts tell us there will be heavy rain in this area within 48 hours," he said.


    The soccer team was trapped in a cave system known as Tham Luang, surviving for nine days before rescue divers found them on a muddy ledge.

    The navy source said two of the boys were in a weaker condition, as was the 25-year-old coach, who sacrificed his share of their meagre food supplies to give to the boys.

    [B]Ssource said rescue coordinators faced tough choices and there were differences of opinion among those providing assessments.

    Saman Kuban





    Also, Thailand, & the diving community there specifically, is having a terrible week. Two tourist boats have collided off Phuket today, dozens are still missing.

    One of the boats was a dive boat.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44728478



    Edit : correction. They didn't collide, they capsized - due to the monsoonal weather that's coming in.

    53 victims still missing + multiple rescues. The search for more victims has been called off & there are still at least 10 smaller craft stuck out there because conditions are too extreme to send rescue boats out to help anyone else at the moment.

    I don't know if monsoon season is always this dramatic in Thailand but fuck, what a week
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    Someone asked Elon Musk to help on twitter.

    They have a conversation starting here :

    https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856


    Which ended with this
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    This story gives me intense anxiety.
    I'm hoping they can get the rest of everyone out of the cave as safely as possible... and not be so truly traumatized by this so that maybe even one of the kids could grow up with a interest in scuba diving or emergency rescue in the future...







    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44734385

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ead/762293002/


    On Thursday, overzealous volunteers working on their own arrived on the site and began pumping water into the ground, forcing it back into the partially flooded Tham Luang Nang Non cave complex.

    "They may have some belief that their techniques are effective for groundwater drainage, but anything that is not in the plan must be discussed with us first," Narongsak told Thai media. "We are racing against water (that is) flowing into the cave although we have plugged its channels."

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    "Perfect" conditions now to bring them out via cave diving they reckon


    I don't believe the conditions could ever be perfect, not even a little, so I'm going to assume they're bullshitting because they know things are about to become so dire that this is their only chance at all

    I saw a diver somewhere say he thinks that have a max 5% chance of getting each kid out alive


    Also, Thai Navy SEAL fb pg referenced in this article is posting a lot of stuff before the media get it

    https://m.facebook.com/ThaiSEAL/




    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/conditio...i-boys-in-cave

    Conditions are "perfect" to evacuate a young football team from a flooded Thai cave in the coming days before fresh rains and a possible rise in carbon dioxide further imperil the group, the rescue mission chief said Saturday.

    The plight of 12 Thai boys and their coach from the "Wild Boar" football team has transfixed Thailand since they became trapped in a cramped chamber of the Tham Luang cave complex on June 23.



    Rescuers have conceded that evacuating the boys is a race against time with monsoon rains expected to undo days of round-the-clock drainage of the deluged cave.

    More than 100 exploratory holes have been bored - some shallow, but the longest 400 metres deep - into the mountainside in an attempt to open a second evacuation route and avoid forcing the boys into a dangerous dive through submerged tunnels.

    "Now and in the next three or four days, the conditions are perfect (for evacuation) in terms of the water, the weather and the boys' health," Narongsak Osottanakorn the chief of the rescue operation told reporters.

    "We have to make a clear decision on what we can do."


    Thai military personnel inside the cave complex.
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    Rescuers have fed a kilometres-long air pipe into the cave to restore oxygen levels in the chamber where the team are sheltering, accompanied by medics and expert divers.

    "When we're in a confined space if the oxygen drops to 12 per cent the human body starts to slow down and people can fall unconscious," Narongsak said.

    "There's also carbon dioxide. If the oxygen levels are down and the carbon dioxide levels are up, then you can get too much carbon dioxide in your blood."



    The beauty amongst it all. These 12-year-olds live in a province far from Chiang Rai, but have volunteered to help cleanup and give massages at Thai cave rescue base. The boy said ?I just want to help any way I can?. So touching. @SBSNews pic.twitter.com/sJIh8NFsrq

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    Heavy rains could make the water rise to the shelf where the children are sitting, reducing the area to "less than 10 square meters," he added, citing estimates from cave divers and experts.

    In the early hours of Saturday morning he said the boys were not yet ready to dive-out of the cave, a complex and dangerous task through twisting and jagged submerged passageways.

    But his comments 12 hours later suggest the thinking has changed, with water levels inside the cave currently managed to their lowest point by constant drainage.


    A letter from one of the boys inside the cave.
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    'I love you Dad, Mum'

    Earlier on Saturday Thai Navy Seals published touching notes scrawled by the trapped footballers to their families, who are waiting for them agonisingly close-by outside the cave entrance.

    The children urged relatives "not to worry" and asked for their favourite food once they are safely evacuated.

    In one Pheerapat, nicknamed "Night", whose 16th birthday the group were celebrating in the cave when they became stuck on June 23, said:

    "I love you, Dad, Mum and my sister. You don't need to be worried about me."


    Meanwhile the 25-year-old coach Ekkapol Chantawong, the only adult to accompany the boys into the cave, sent his "apologies" to their parents.

    "To all the parents, all the kids are still fine. I promise to take the very best care of the kids," he said in a note given to divers on Friday.

    "Thank you for all the moral support and I apologise to the parents."

    The boys are being trained in the basics of diving in case the floodwaters force authorities into a sudden evacuation.
    <<snipped>>




    Also, also, not to detract from the horror & impending tragedy of this whole situation, but the growing carnival-like atmosphere outside the cave, the offers of help from the famous & from faraway people & places, is reminding me daily of The Simpsons "Down The Well" episode.

    The boys trapped in the cave even have a birthday happening & their coach is an orphan with a tragic childhood just like "poor little Timmy O'Toole, trapped down the well"


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    When I read that Navy Seal died, it really made me worry for those kids.

    "The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man" -Charles Darwin

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    The rescue has begun. They're all diving out tethered to an experienced diver:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...d-boys-n889626

    I'm praying for good news when I get up in the morning. (I hope I don't obsess about it all night.)
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    I will out think the fucking pants off of you and you would thank me for helping you out of them.

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    I just randomly started thinking through what it would be like doing this from the kid's point of view - which made my blood run cold & also reminded me to check for updates. Now I discover the first 4 are supposed to be on their way through

    I wonder if they'll change plans if the strongest 4 don't make it or if they expect conditions to get so bad in there that they have no choice but to press on with all 13 extractions

    Apparently (according to twitter convos) Elon Musk had some designers custom build 12 rescue pods overnight & he's sending them over to Thailand on his plane right this minute - I don't know how they'd get them all the way into the cave system to the boys unless they're totally collapsible though?



    Anyway, I assume this rescue started many hours ago because they've already got an ambulance waiting for each of the 4 boys


    & it looks like it's pissing down



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    This article says the earliest the first boy is expected to reach the mouth of the cave is 9pm local time.

    It's 12.40 pm in Thailand right now.


    (duh & I just realised Thailand & Western Australia are in the same timezone. I should've noticed that a few decades ago)



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKBN1JY02N

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    It'll be amazing if this is true

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...b074b334552648


    Contradictory reports circulate regarding emergence of two trapped boys


    Various contradictory reports are circulating regarding the emergence of two of the boys.

    Reuters says, citing a local official, that the first two members of the Thai football team have been recovered from the cave.

    ITV?s John Irvine says that a local police chief has just told him that two of the boys are out of the cave complex. They are apparently safe and reasonably well.

    The Bangkok Post, meanwhile, says the first 2 boys are on their way to the entrance of the cave suggesting that they have completed the swim and are now walking through the chambers.

    The Guardian cannot confirm any of these reports.


    They said they're coming through in 4 groups, so there should be a 3rd boy very soon if the first run went successfully ...



    Edit :


    Also, this is from Thai media & it's supposed to illustrate how they're doing it


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    I just saw a Chinese source that says five are out now.

    Please, God, let it be true.
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    This is giving me a panic attack.

    So, was the team able to walk in the cave at the same entrance But couldn't exit because the monsoon flooded it? Would that mean it took them 11 hours (ish) to walk back there for this initiation? Or did they enter from a different point? Sorry if that was explained and I missed it.

    Those divers are amazing. Knowing they could die (because someone did) but going ahead to save children warms my heart a little. I hope we get more good news!

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    Sorry to double post but I just read it is an 11 hour round trip dive so if the boys did enter the same entrance, it was a several hours hike to write their names on the wall? Still a pretty intense march for a soccer initiation, no? And how did they survive that long?

    The mile long part of the dive where they have to remove the tanks in order to wedge through makes me wanna pass out. But the boys seem in good spirits, writing letters to family to buy them fried chicken when they get home.

    I've seen conflicting reports of 2, 4, 5, and 6 boys rescued from various news sources. Can't wait to hear some confirmed good news. Go Wild Boars!

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    It's 7am & all the excitement happened while I was sleeping. Everything I'm seeing now says 4 are out, that they got out hours early & were able to walk to the air ambulance.

    They're saying it could be 20 hrs before they do the next group because they need to re-prepare all the gear. The staggered rescues makes me wonder if the same divers are going to do each rescue too.

    Hopefully water conditions don't worsen for the weaker ones, but either way I actually have some hope they'll get them all out now.

    These divers are fucking amazing, but so are these kids - to be able to shut down their fear & do this is just incredible

    I guess spending 10 days believing you're going to starve to death & never see your family again has a dramatic effect on self-control.

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    OK, so I finally figured out why Thais are so forgiving of the coach while the rest of the world is all "WTF WAS HE THINKING??!!"


    It's really been bugging me the last few days because I couldn't figure out if it was purely cultural differences or whether there was really important info we weren't grasping.


    Turns out we didn't have all the details.


    Apparently it should've been relatively safe the day they went into the cave. They entered on June 23, in dry conditions.

    Monsoon season comes unfailingly some time between July - November.

    This year it came early, breaking generations of known & trusted weather patterns.

    Apparently everyone was taken by surprise - so that's why everyone's telling the coach not to blame himself



    Edit : it was this represention of the coach looking gaunt & meditating inside the cave while keeping 12 little "wild boars" safe, that really opened my eyes to the fact that Thais were viewing him very, very differently than Western observers.

    They say he taught them to meditate to get them through the 10 days of starvation & sensory deprivation, & that this is now helping the boys remain calm on the dive extractions
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