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    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...eleased-843903

    Wow heres a killing from 2012 that sounds like straight outta Dexter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KambingSociety View Post
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...eleased-843903

    Wow heres a killing from 2012 that sounds like straight outta Dexter.
    David Martin-Sperry, mitigating, said that while in prison Hunnisett was forced to play the role of an abuse victim in therapy sessions organised for sex offenders.
    I can think of no reality in which it would be a good idea to have a child sex abuse victim revisit that role for a group of imprisoned sex offenders. What?
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    "Say, you know who could handle this penis? MY MOTHER."

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    https://www.rappler.com/nation/20052...r-killings-hrw

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1HO2W6

    Drug War attacks in the Philippines.

    MANILA, Philippines ? Retiring from the Philippine National Police (PNP) does not prevent chief Director General Ronald dela Rosa from being held accountable over drug war killings, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said on Wedneday, April 18.

    ?When Dela Rosa retires as director general of the PNP, he will leave behind a police force with a sordid human rights record unmatched since the Marcos dictatorship,? Human Rights Watch (HRW) Asia Division's Carlos Conde said in a statement.

    Set to retire on Thursday, April 19, Dela Rosa?s tenure as head of the PNP is marked by the soaring death toll both by police and vigilante killings that have been criticized by local and international bodies. (READ: No extrajudicial killings in PH? World 'not fooled')

    Latest government data shows that law enforcement operations alone led to 4,075 drug suspects killed in law enforcement operations but human rights groups estimated that the number may reach 12,000 if vigilante killings are included. (READ: The Impunity Series)

    As police chief, however, Dela Rosa consistently denied that violations were committed in the conduct of Duterte?s anti-illegal drug campaign. He often defended the police from critics who refer to the campaign as ?a war against the poor,? even calling those who oppose it as ?ingrates.?

    ?He rejected concerns about the soaring death toll of the police operations, saying the deaths were proof of an ?uncompromising? police approach to drug crimes,? Conde said.

    ?[Dela Rosa] slammed calls by lawmakers for an investigation into the killings as ?legal harassment,? saying it ?dampens the morale? of police officers,? he added.

    HRW warned that justice will come ?sooner or later? as the International Criminal Court (ICC) starts its preliminary investigation into the alleged crimes against humanity committed in guise of the drug war.

    ?These developments suggest that sooner or later, Dela Rosa may be held to account for the bloody campaign he so zealously endorsed,? Conde said. ? Rappler.com

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    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...drugs-14618214

    Update on a vigilante attack on an offender.

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    Vigilante Incident investogated by Police in the UK


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    The vigilantes broke into Bradford's girlfriend's house, attacked him and live streamed the confrontation.

    Eight men were arrested after a report of an assault was made. Tessa Hingston, prosecuting, said: "There was an assault on Mr Bradford. It is under investigation, a formal complaint has been made."

    Judge Robert Pawson said the vigilantes were "cruel" to involve Bradford's girlfriend, and described the group as "mob handed."







    “"We do not live in some wild west town where vigilantes can go round acting as self appointed policemen”
    Judge Robert Pawson



    Judge Pawson said: "You were trapped or exposed by a group of so called or self-styled paedophile hunters.

    "They should, on any view, have gone to the police.

    "We do not live in some wild west town where vigilantes can go round acting as self appointed policemen.”

    He added: "The police have now had to spend further hard pressed resources on another inquiry."

    Rob Ross, defending, said: "This man was violently assaulted. He received cuts and bruises.

    Here we go again expect Blame the hero to be used in court.

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    a Robbery Suspect at a Strip Club Claims to be a Vigilante

    http://ktxs.com/news/abilene/abilene...lf-a-vigilante

    The article claims that the detained ranted about being an anti-drug vigilante.

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    Either he?s lying, or he?s the worst Avenger.
    ^^^^THIS from the last article
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    http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/l...about-incident



    A vigilante incident has taken place in North Carolina.

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    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3438135


    Update a Taiwanese national is beaten up by Vigilantes over alleged suicide of the victim.

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    https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/new...shire-14801525

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...could-14798373

    http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southe...s-chasing-down

    https://www.rappler.com/thought-lead...ime-or-justice

    Updates on Vigilante Justice

    Rosenbaum and Sedeberg cite the following as examples of ?vigilantes?:

    Chilean peasants who seized private lands in support of Salvador Allende?s socialistic policies
    the Esquadrao dela Morte or Death Squad in Brazil who were usually off-duty police officers claiming to be citizens who decided to go after ?habitual criminals? themselves because the justice system was slow and inefficient
    ?The Gentlemen? in Argentina who went after ?habitual debtors? who refused to pay financial obligations
    vigilantes in the US: the ?Afro-American Group Attack Team? in Chicago that attempted to "rid the community of drug dealers"; the ?black and Puerto Rican vigilantes? in New York who reportedly executed drug pushers; and the ?Spades Unlimited? in Washington that made it ?dangerous? for drug pushers to peddle drugs.
    Rosenbaum and Sedeberg argue that while these groups were varied, they all ?possessed a vested interest in the preservation of the current distribution of values? and thus ?composed an establishment, though not necessarily an elite?.

    Les Johnston, a professor of Criminology in University of Teesside in the United Kingdom, meanwhile, says that existing notions of vigilantism are either ?sensationalist? (in one article, Johnston examines how media in the UK sensationalizes crimes as "vigilantism") or too ?academic? (i.e., Johnston argues that Rosenbaum's and Sedeberg?s concept does not capture the reality that not all vigilante activity is in defense of, or has the support of, the state.)

    The "criminological perspective" of vigilantism, according to Johnston, points to ?six necessary features:

    it involves planning and premeditation by those engaging in it
    its participants are private citizens whose engagement is voluntary
    it is a form of ?autonomous citizenship? and, as such, constitutes a social movement
    it uses or threatens to use force
    it arises when an established order is under threat from the transgressin
    it aims to control crime or other social infractions by offering assurances (or "guarantees") of security both to participants and to others.
    For Johnston, therefore, vigilantism is the "informal regulation" not just of "crime" but also of "morals".

    Other authors who are highly instructive in this subject matter are sociologists David Kowaleski and Araceli Suzara who have written extensively on vigilantism in the Philippines in relation to cults, counterinsurgency, religion, etc.

    Questions we need to ask, labels we need to use/not use

    Surveying existing literature on vigilantism is not only an academic endeavor, it is also a practical one. The point is not to simply know ideas (and more importantly, not to brag about knowing ideas), rather, to actually use and reflect on these ideas in daily life.

    By looking at the various definitions, for example, we should be able to appreciate the complexity of both the concept and the phenomenon of vigilantism. This kind of appreciation should then lead us to not use concepts lightly because wittingly or unwittingly, simplistic usage could lead to a distortion of certain realities.

    Moreover, instead of being fixated on labels, we need to focus on questions that are useful in understanding ? and challenging ? our realities. Here, I present some questions that have nagged me after reading the literature on vigilantism and reflecting on instances of "vigilantism" in our own country:

    1) Extrajudicial killings: vigilantism or abuse of public authority?

    As mentioned above, according to Les Johnston, vigilantism always involves private citizens and can, in fact, be associated with "autonomous citizenship". This kind of framing makes me understand my own refusal to accept trigger-happy police officers ? especially off-duty, trigger-happy police officers ? as "vigilantes" protecting the people. It makes me understand why I refuse to view these police officers as "the good cops" ? because, in fact, there is a lot of evidence of children and innocents becoming casualties in the war against drugs.

    I think part of the problem is when people call the drug war-related killings as "vigilante-style killings" instead of describing them as "unexplained murders" or in some cases, as "police brutality" or "abuse of authority". Labelling them as "vigilante-style" has the subliminal effect of popularizing the redemptive value of the war on drugs (which the government has been insisting on). The rhetoric of most government officials as well as the language of some journalists and social media "influencers" (from all sides of the political spectrum) contribute to the strengthening of the public image of the killings as manifestations of justice instead of crimes.

    2) Twitter justice: why do victims of sexual violence not go to courts in the first place?

    Vigilantism, according to the abovementioned literature, suggests that "vigilantes" act because of deep-seated discontent with existing formal mechanisms and structures. The drug-war-related killings, for example, are justified (by government) as necessary because the justice system is inefficient, the prisons are full and the executors of justice are corrupt.

    In the case of victims of sexual violence, however, we need to reexamine why: why are women tweeting instead of filing cases? Don?t we already have anti-sexual harassment/violence laws in place? Don?t women have legal recourse?

    The answer is perhaps a simultaneous yes and no. Yes, women have the legal recourse (thanks to the women?s movements that have worked hard for the laws) and no ? our societal environment is such that women who are victims of sexual violence still find it difficult to opt for the legal route. There is still that stigma "of not being clear about saying no".

    There is still that environment where women?s ?consent? is determined by society rather than by women themselves. Of late, this kind of environment was again highlighted by that ?presidential kiss?. That particular situation begs the question: who ascertains the "consent" of women?

    In one recent "Twitter justice episode", I was again reminded of this question when I examined the publicized screenshots of text messages between the accused harasser and the women-alleged victims. In many of these exchanges, there was a response that was particularly disturbing: ?Ha-ha-ha?. The women ended up simply saying ?ha-ha-ha? to sexual advances. Does ha-ha-ha mean yes or no?

    In my opinion, that ha-ha-ha meant no because they were actually conversation-enders, i.e. the women stopped the conversations after that. But that is just my opinion. Imagine if these women went to court: how would the court appreciate their ?ha-ha-ha?? Again, the question arises: who ascertains the "consent" of women? Why is it always society ascertaining this consent ? and not the women themselves?

    To answer those questions, we shouldn?t just examine Duterte but also our families, our Churches, our schools and universities, our political dynasties and social movements ? all those institutions that have contributed to the situation where women can?t even determine for themselves what their preferences are, because even those are dictated by society.

    3) Is violence the way to peace?

    According to literature, vigilantism is always violent. This feature automatically cancels out the women?s movements mentioned above as "vigilantes". Perhaps, the better term for them is "gender equality advocates", not vigilantes.

    The notion of vigilantism as "always violent" should prod us to question: can justice be achieved only through violent means? Is violence really the way to peace? Are "informal regulations" the way to go? Is it right for government to promote these informal, violent regulations and thereby render formal political institutions as inutile?

    The questions raised above are admittedly big questions that cannot be answered in one sitting or by one person. But I think they are important especially in relation to our concepts of active citizenship and our vision of that peaceful society.

    So, should vigilantism be viewed as a crime or as justice? I say we should be asking instead: how can we be autonomous, active citizens instead of vigilantes? How can we claim rights, equalize opportunities and achieve justice in the most non-violent way possible? We all want peace, anyway, don?t we? ? Rappler.com

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    Man Held by Scotland Police after a Vigilante confrontation on Dundee Street

    https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/f...dundee-street/

    Article notes that the Vigilantes accused the target of inappropriate conversations online.

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