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    3 crew members dead after Atlas Air 767 carrying cargo crashes into Trinity Bay, close to IAH airport

    https://www.click2houston.com/news/b...board-faa-says

    A twin-engine Boeing 767 crashed into Trinity Bay near Anahuac just before 12:45 p.m. Saturday and authorities said they believe all three people on board are dead.

    The plane was on its way to George Bush Intercontinental Airport from Miami when it crashed, the FAA said.

    The FAA said initial reports indicated the plane was owned and operated by Atlas Air, Inc.

    According to Atlas Air Inc.'s website, the company transports items from "precious perishables or heavy construction equipment to arranging passenger charters for celebrities or dignitaries."

    Sky2 aerials showed a lot of debris in the water.

    "It looks like total devastation from the aircraft part," Chambers County Sheriff Brian C. Hawthorne said. "Knowing what I saw, there can't be any survivors."

    The Federal Aviation Administration said initial reports indicated that there were three people on board.

    The sheriff said witnesses told authorities the plane went into a nose dive, then went into the water nose-first.

    He said witnesses said they heard what sounded like lightning before the plane went down.
    I've seen the crew members named on private flying boards, but I will wait to post the names until they are officially released.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/23/atla...-on-board.html

    The plane was operating for Amazon Air, the online giant's air cargo business, according to Flightradar24, an airline tracking site. Amazon did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Atlas Air is one of the cargo airlines that Amazon contracted to operate the Amazon-branded fleet, along with Air Transport Services Group. Each operates 20 Amazon-branded planes for the air freight service, which was previously called Prime Air.

    The flight lost radar and radio contact about 30 miles southeast of its destination, Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport, said the FAA.

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    ATC Feed. The plane's call sign is Giant3591. You can hear them come on about the 4 minute mark with the controller advising them of weather near the field.


    http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ki...2019-1830Z.mp3

    Word is that the 3rd pilot was a jumpseater from another airline.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/23/us/te...ash/index.html

    A cargo jetliner that crashed Saturday in Texas with three people aboard went into shallow water nose first, Chambers County Sheriff Brian Hawthorne said.

    He said some human remains have been recovered but didn't specify whether three bodies had been found.

    Hawthorne said the crash site in Trinity Bay near Anahuac, Texas, is in water just 5 feet deep and is reachable by airboats and other flat-bottom craft. The scene extends over 3 miles, he said.

    Multiple dive teams from the Texas Department of Public Safety, Houston Police, and the Baytown Police are at the crash site, he added.

    The sheriff described seeing the contents of packages and cardboard boxes as he traveled across the water, then seeing parts of the twin-engine Boeing 767. The flight was operated by Atlas Air Inc.

    "There was nothing intact of the airplane," he said. "Knowing what I saw, I don't think anyone could survive it."

    He said about six people saw the plane go into the water. Some said it sounded like the engines were "surging," the sheriff said.

    "There's no doubt he was having some kind of problem with the airplane, according to the eyewitnesses," the sheriff said. "Then it turned and went into a nosedive."

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Prime-Air.html

    The pilot in the Texas plane crash that was carrying Amazon Prime Air cargo has been identified as authorities sweep the crash site to recover bodies and the wreckage.

    A twin engine Boeing 767 Atlas Air cargo jet violently crashed into Trinity Bay near Anahuac, Texas, shortly before 12.45pm on Saturday afternoon.

    There were three people on board Atlas Air Flight 3591 that was carrying Amazon Prime Air cargo, the Federal Aviation Administration said citing initial reports.

    There are no survivors in the deadly crash, according to the Chambers County Sheriff's Office. Pilot Sean Archuleta has been identified as one of the dead by family and friends on social media. He was father to a six-month-old son.

    https://www.facebook.com/sean.a.archuleta



    ETA: This was actually the jumpseater. He worked for Mesa airlines and was just commuting on the Atlas flight. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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    https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ai...ys-plane-crasj

    Atlas did not release the names of the victims. The Houston Chronicle identified them this afternoon as Capt. Sean Archuleta, Capt. Ricky Blakely and First Officer Conrad Jules Aska. In a statement today, Purchase, New York-based Atlas said it has established a Family Assistance Center staffed with specialists to support the families of the deceased. Atlas CEO William J. Flynn is on site with a team from the airline, it said.

    Air traffic controllers lost radar and radio contact with the plane when it was about 30 miles southeast of the airport, The Chronicle said, citing comments by the Federal Aviation Administration. The aircraft disintegrated upon impact, leaving what witnesses called total devastation. The Chronicle reported earlier today that the largest piece that authorities had recovered was 50 feet long.
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    ETA: Captain's FB: https://www.facebook.com/rick.blakely.94
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    So fucking sad. I hope they find out what happened soon. I know these things can take months and even years.
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    https://www.chron.com/technology/bus...f-13644104.php

    "It's a ticking time bomb," Robert Kirchner, an Atlas pilot and executive council chairman of Teamsters Local 1224, told Business Insider weeks before the crash.

    It's still unclear what caused the Amazon Air crash that killed all three of its occupants on Saturday, but pilots for the airline Atlas Air, which operated the flight, told Business Insider in the weeks before the crash that Atlas tends to overwork its pilots.

    "They don't recognize pilot fatigue," captain Robert Kirchner, an Atlas pilot and executive council chairman of Teamsters Local 1224, told Business Insider weeks before the crash. "They think it's people goofing off. We have to constantly show them some of these schedules. Ninety-nine percent of the time, we're able to prove to them that this is a fatiguing schedule."

    Atlas has contracts with Amazon, DHL and other carriers.

    Thirteen pilots who work for airlines that Amazon Air contracts with have told Business Insider that their pay and benefits fall below industry standards. All but one of those pilots said that means pilots on Amazon Air flights tend to be less experienced. Most of these pilots asked to speak on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.

    "It's a ticking time bomb," Kirchner said weeks before the crash.

    Amazon and Atlas Air did not respond to requests for comment.
    I do know that the cargo airlines don't have to follow the same flight and duty time limitations (FAR 117) that passenger airlines do. There's been a lot of controversy about that in the 5 years since passenger airline pilots started following the new rules but cargo pilots were exempt from them.

    That being said, I would be surprised if fatigue had any real factor in this crash. My personal opinion (borrowed from my pilot husband, lol) is that it was a structural failure and the elevator, slat, or something like that came off the plane and caused them to nose-dive unrecoverably. That is one of the few things I ever worry about with my husband's flying. For the most part, flying large aircraft is super safe these days, but sometimes mechanical issues just become too big to overcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    https://www.chron.com/technology/bus...f-13644104.php



    I do know that the cargo airlines don't have to follow the same flight and duty time limitations (FAR 117) that passenger airlines do. There's been a lot of controversy about that in the 5 years since passenger airline pilots started following the new rules but cargo pilots were exempt from them.

    That being said, I would be surprised if fatigue had any real factor in this crash. My personal opinion (borrowed from my pilot husband, lol) is that it was a structural failure and the elevator, slat, or something like that came off the plane and caused them to nose-dive unrecoverably. That is one of the few things I ever worry about with my husband's flying. For the most part, flying large aircraft is super safe these days, but sometimes mechanical issues just become too big to overcome.
    A lot of people are saying it may have broken apart. I use to be obsessed with plane crashes (still kinda am), they're waayy less frequent now than they were 70s-90s.
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    https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...photo-16987787

    The Chambers County Sheriff's Office release photos of Capt. Sean Archuleta of Houston and First Officer Conrad Jules Aska of Antigua, whose bodies were recovered shortly after the crash.

    The body of Capt. Ricky Blakely, of Indiana, has yet to be recovered as of Monday night, officials said.

    As of late Sunday night, investigators have yet to recover the plane's black box, which records flight data and the voices of those in the cockpit.

    Authorities have also yet to recover the body of the third crew member. The first two bodies have been sent to the Jefferson County Medical Examiners Office for autopsies.

    Winds have pushed the bay's tide out, which exposed more of the debris, according to the Chambers County Sheriff's Office.

    A five-second clip of the plane nosediving into the water was captured on a security camera at the Chambers County jail, near the intersection of Court Street and Bolivar Avenue in Anahuac.

    Investigators hope use that video to learn more about what downed the plane.

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    https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...-85307-tbla-42

    Video released by Anahuac ISD shows the final moments of Atlas Air flight flight 3591 just before it plunged into Trinity Bay around noon Saturday, Feb. 23, 2019.

    The video was captured outside a field house on Anahuac ISD property in the nearby town of Anahuac. The plane is seen in an apparent nose dive moments before hitting in Trinity Bay.

    Those murky waters have proven difficult for crash investigators to find debris. As of Thursday afternoon, only the bodies of Archuleta and Aska had been recovered and positively identified.

    Authorities found a third set of remains in the shallow waters, although those have yet to be positively identified.

    As federal investigators work to piece the plane back together and determine what happened, search crews – some of whom are with the Houston Police Department's Dive Team – began an inch-by-inch search of the bay for any additional evidence. That search, in part, requires crews to trek on their hands and knees through the shallow water.

    Officials on Friday said they recovered one of the plane's two black boxes that record voices inside the cockpit. A second black box that records flight data has yet to be recovered.

    Authorities are also hoping to recover the pilot's personal luggage.
    Video at link above

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    Hoping they'll have some answers soon since they have both the CVR and FDR.

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...s-air-wreckage

    Investigators with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) awaited the arrival in Washington. D.C., on Monday of the flight data recorder (FDR) from the Atlas Air cargo jet that crashed February 23 while approaching to land at George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH). Search crews located the FDR on March 3, two days after recovering the jet’s cockpit voice recorder (CVR) from the shallow coastal waters of Trinity Bay near Anahuac, Texas.

    The NTSB investigators expect information from the two so-called "black boxes" will help them gain insight into the mysterious incident that claimed the lives of two Atlas Air pilots and a jumpseating regional airline pilot.
    https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...y-13661456.php

    Remains of the third and final victim from the Atlas Air crash in Chambers County have been positively identified, authorities said.

    Capt. Ricky Blakely's remains were found Feb. 26, but were not positively identified until this past weekend, according to the Chambers County Sheriff's Office.

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    https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...8-13664793.php

    NTSB: Atlas Air crew lost control 18 seconds before black box stopped recording

    The voice recorder captured about two hours of audio inside the cockpit, consistent with the plane's flight from Miami to Houston's Bush Intercontinental Airport. The recording is of low quality, investigators said.

    While at some points during the flight the crew's back-and-forth is difficult to distinguish, authorities are using "advanced audio filtering" to clear up the data.

    About 18 seconds before the black box stopped recording, the crew members made communications "consistent with a loss control of the aircraft," investigators said. They had already radioed the air traffic control tower at Bush, which is 40 miles away from the crash site.

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    Go fund me everywhere. They should just link it with the obituary......he/she is dead, click this link and send us your $$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    ATC Feed. The plane's call sign is Giant3591. You can hear them come on about the 4 minute mark with the controller advising them of weather near the field.


    http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ki...2019-1830Z.mp3

    Word is that the 3rd pilot was a jumpseater from another airline.
    That ATC feed is pretty boring and nothing exciting bar the approach controllers having other aircraft trying to visually locate the lost aircraft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAndy View Post
    That ATC feed is pretty boring and nothing exciting bar the approach controllers having other aircraft trying to visually locate the lost aircraft.
    That's kind of the point. It was completely routine and boring and then suddenly fell out of the sky. Nothing was out of the ordinary until the last 18 seconds of the flight.

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    https://youtu.be/7t7rubihdeo

    Video of the final seconds and impact with the water.

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    Video of the wreckage in the hanger. Not much left.


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    https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...s-13682555.php

    Turbulence could be to blame in the deadly Atlas Air cargo plane crash last month near Anahuac, a new report finds.

    An analysis of Atlas Air Flight 3591's flight data recorder by the National Transportation Safety Board shows that the Boeing 767 experienced "small vertical accelerations" similar to what planes experience during turbulence shortly before it began to plunge into Trinity Bay around noon on Feb. 23.
    The Boeing 767-375 was built in 1992 as a passenger plane, flying with GE CF-6 engines. It was converted into a freighter in 2017.

    Both pilots were qualified to fly the plane and were up-to-date on their training, according to the NTSB.

    Blakely had about 11,000 flight hours, 1,250 of which were on a Boeing 767. Aska had a total of 5,000 flight hours with 520 hours on the plane.

    As the NTSB's investigation continues, spokesman Keith Holloway said investigators are looking at all sorts of factors about what brought the plane down.

    "This is just factual information that we know at the moment," Holloway said. "It's still very early in their investigation, so we aren't drawing any conclusions at this point."

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    https://www.ttnews.com/articles/expe...argo-jet-texas

    Aviation experts expressed doubt March 13 that turbulence could have caused the deadly February crash of an Atlas Air cargo plane carrying Amazon packages in Texas, suspecting human error or a massive malfunction as more likely culprits.

    The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating why Atlas Air Flight 3591 suddenly dropped during its approach to a Houston airport and has not issued a cause of the crash. The federal agency has said cockpit audio and flight data suggest the pilots lost control and the plane hit turbulence in its final moments.

    The bay’s deep mud slowed investigators, and aviation safety specialists see the details already released as too little to solve the mysteries of the crash. But they think it’s enough to rule out choppy air as a likely cause.

    “Airplanes operate in situations like that all the time,” John Cox, an accident investigator and retired pilot, said of turbulence the plane hit a minute before it entered its fatal drop.

    NTSB data show turbulence hasn’t caused a fatal accident on an American cargo or passenger jet in the past decade. Cox and others couldn’t recall a large plane being downed by rough weather since the 1960s.

    Rather than precipitation the Atlas Air pilots had maneuvered to avoid, experts said NTSB investigators likely are focused on three events in the plane’s final moments: an engine surge, a small drift up and sharp turn down.

    These events are being scrutinized as countries around the world are grounding a different model of Boeing aircraft after two were involved in fatal crashes less than five months apart. On March 13, the United States and Canada joined some 40 nations in ordering all Boeing 737 Max jets grounded amid suspicions about a new automated anti-stall system.

    Beyond brand, however, there appear to be limited links between the crashes
    Yeah, the model may be different but Boeing NEEDS this to be pilot error and not a structural failure on their equipment. After all the coziness we have sent recently with Boeing and the FAA, I am side eyeing anything they are suggesting like turbulence and pilot error at this point. I still am looking at a structural failure, and that jackscrew in the video looked 'wrong'. But don't be surprised if they come out with some crazy story about how the pilots screwed everything up, that doesn't make much sense but allows them to say it wasn't their fault, and they rubber stamp this crash with 'case closed'.

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    I've been suspecting this for a long time based on the chatter about the 1st Office on pilot boards.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyb.../#2f47aa7579cc

    The first officer at the controls of an Amazon Air cargo flight that crashed in Texas in February appeared confused, crying out that the plane had stalled during the final moments and putting it into a steep dive, while the captain tried to pull the plane’s nose up, fact-finding reports released by the U.S. National Transport Safety Board on Thursday suggest.

    The NTSB says that the first officer failed proficiency evaluations during his training at Atlas Air, which operates Amazon Air flights, and at his prior job at Mesa Airlines. He also washed out of training at two other airlines, which he concealed when he applied for work at Atlas, claiming that he had been doing freelance real estate work and taking college classes during that period of time.

    The NTSB released over 2,000 pages of documents from its investigation into the February 23 crash of Atlas Air Flight 3591, bound from Miami to Houston, which killed all three onboard. It has not yet issued conclusions about how or why the crash occurred. Nonetheless, the factual reports raise questions about training and pilot monitoring at Atlas Air at a time when it, other cargo carriers and small passenger airlines are struggling to attract and retain pilots amid a mounting shortage.

    The Boeing 767 was descending on approach to landing at George Bush Intercontinental Airport when the first officer, Conrad Aska, said that the primary flight display wasn’t working properly and transferred control to the captain, Ricky Blakely. He later said there was a problem with the attitude director indicator/horizontal situation indicator, which tells pilots what the plane’s angle is relative to the horizon.

    Capt. Blakely gave control back to Aska after they believed the indicator was working properly again, and they began to prepare the plane for their approach as they maneuvered around a rainstorm. The plane hit turbulence, and then five seconds later, a minute before impact, the automatic go-around switch was turned on, which is intended to be used when pilots seek to abort a landing. It automatically increases thrust to enable a 2,000 foot per minute climb.

    However, the activation may not have been intentional — the pilots made no mention of initiating a go-around. NTSB investigators suspect Aska may have become disoriented while the plane was in cloud cover, with the acceleration from the increased thrust tricking him into perceiving that the plane’s nose was too high, leading him to believe the plane was stalling. Six seconds after the go-around switch was activated, he pointed the plane’s nose down at a sharp 49 degree angle.

    The first officer expressed surprise about the plane’s speed, according to a transcript of the flight voice recorder.

    “Whoa, [where’s] my speed, my speed,” Aska says, followed by sounds of thumping in the cockpit. “We’re stalling. Stall.”

    The flight data recorder shows Blakely began to pull up on the yoke while Aska was pointing the plane down, with Aska only joining the captain in pulling up after the plane descended through the bottom of the cloud cover at around 3,500 feet.

    In the final moments, Aska says, “Lord, have mercy.” A captain for Mesa Airlines, Sean Archuleta, who was catching a ride in a jump seat, shouts, “pull up,” then Aska says, “Oh, God, Lord, you have my soul.”
    https://www.click2houston.com/news/l...huac-released/

    The 54-page report about the cockpit voice recorder included a transcript of a little less than an hour of the recording. The bulk of the transcript indicated a routine flight. The trouble seemed to occur within the last 30 seconds of the transcript.

    At 12:38 p.m., controllers at Bush relay a course change that will be necessary in about 18 miles. Several clicks are heard before an acknowledgement from the plane’s crew. Controllers indicate some severe weather in the area and that the plane shouldn’t have a problem getting to the airport after the change.

    A mechanical click is heard and then Aska said, “Whoa.”

    “(Where’s) my speed, my speed?”Aska asked. That was followed by the sound of a louder mechanical click and thumping noises. “We’re stalling. Stall! … Oh, Lord. Have mercy. Lord, have mercy! Captain.”

    “What’s going on?” Blakely asked.

    “Lord,” Aska replied. That was followed by a series of beeps.

    “What’s going on?” Archuleta asked. That was followed by the sound of rapid breathing and more beeps. “Pull up!”

    “Oh, God,” Aska said. “Lord, you have my soul!”
    The cause

    In March, investigators said a preliminary review of the plane’s black box indicated a loss of control of the aircraft, which was hauling cargo for Amazon, just before the crash.

    The report issued Wednesday does not include a cause for the crash, which NTSB officials said is still under investigation.
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/bus...238587338.html

    Aska came to Atlas in 2017 after failing his test to become a captain at Mesa Air. He had previously dropped out of training programs at Air Wisconsin in 2012 and CommutAir in 2011, but did not list those employment stints on his application with Atlas.

    Atlas director of training Scott Anderson told investigators, “If I had that information at the time we would not have offered him a position.” The failure to win a promotion to captain at Mesa was not treated as a red flag in the Atlas hiring process.

    In 2015, Blakely failed his proficiency test on the Boeing 767 and was placed in a monitoring program “as a result of [his] repetitive need for additional training.” Blakely was removed from the monitoring program in February 2017.

    A June Miami Herald investigation found that pilots for Atlas Air, MIA’s largest cargo airline, warned company executives in the years leading up to the February crash that if they did not beef up the training program and hire pilots with more experience, they were going to crash a plane. At a meeting with executives in Miami in 2017, a pilot who had been with the company for two decades described an “erosion of level of experience in the cockpit.”
    The plane was not stalling, a condition associated with slowed speed. To recover from the perceived stall, Aska pushed the nose down. Blakely intervened and pulled the nose up, but it was too late. The plane nose dived 6,000 feet into Trinity Bay at nearly 500 miles per hour.

    Shem Malmquist, a Boeing 777 captain at a different cargo airline and professor of advanced aircraft operations at the Florida Institute of Technology’s College of Aeronautics, said based on this preliminary report it looks like the go-around switch was activated inadvertently, and it is possible that the first officer became disoriented.

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    I was thinking it was intentional. Glad it wasn't. Boeing has been having a rough time lately.
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