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    Law Enforcement working on DNA match for Zodiac Killer

    I knew the Golden State Killer match would open the floodgates.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wi...iller-54911795

    California police working on DNA match for 2nd serial killer

    Detectives in Northern California are trying to get a DNA profile on the Zodiac Killer to find him with the family-tree tracing technology investigators used to make a recent arrest in another decades-old case.

    Vallejo police Detective Terry Poyser tells the Sacramento Bee his agency has submitted two envelopes that contained letters from the Zodiac Killer for DNA analysis.

    Poyser says the department is working with a private lab to try to obtain a full DNA profile from saliva on the envelopes' flaps and stamps. Results are expected in the next few weeks.

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    He's dead, isn't he? I bet the fucker is dead.
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    I swear to god theres been a long running conspiracy that the Zodiac Killer was a Solano County Sheriff or Vallejo Police officer accused of brutality in the 1960's.

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    I think this is great. Sure, he is most likely dead, but it would be great just to KNOW.


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    Call me when they get Jack the Ripper.
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    If the guy is alive and they find him living near me, I will fucking move.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    If the guy is alive and they find him living near me, I will fucking move.
    Well there's also a long running conspiracy that the Zodiac Killer worked as a Police Officer in San Francisco. I swear Golden State Killer was a former police officer in Auburn before he got caught and there was Stephanie Lazarus a Police officer in Los Angeles who was also accused of being a serial killer in the 1980's before she was detained in the past decade.

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    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...le1945266.html

    Also there was a serial killer who was a Miami area Police officer in the 1980's and he was put on death row and executed for killing people he accused of being drug dealers.

    Yes I think once we get the real story on the zodiac killer then closure for the families. Also expect this method to be national though.

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    I would looove it if this case were solved! It would also be cool if they IDed Jack The Ripper as puzzld mentioned, but that was such a long time ago... Still, you never know.
    SO what are the odds of solving the JonBenet murder?

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    Yeah, pretty sure based on description of his age that the Zodiac is probably dead by now...or very, very old.

    I have to admit, I know nothing about the JonBenet murder. It's just never really interested me. Do they have unknown DNA in that one?

    Here's a list of some other unsolved serial killings. Not sure how many have unknown DNA to match, but man, wouldn't it be good to solve all these since it looks like our DNA doesn't belong to us anymore anyway.

    https://www.ranker.com/list/serial-k...t/ranker-crime

    ETA: looks like that is an old link. The Grim Sleeper is still on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisedbywolves View Post
    Yeah, pretty sure based on description of his age that the Zodiac is probably dead by now...or very, very old.

    I have to admit, I know nothing about the JonBenet murder. It's just never really interested me. Do they have unknown DNA in that one?

    Here's a list of some other unsolved serial killings. Not sure how many have unknown DNA to match, but man, wouldn't it be good to solve all these since it looks like our DNA doesn't belong to us anymore anyway.

    https://www.ranker.com/list/serial-k...t/ranker-crime

    ETA: looks like that is an old link. The Grim Sleeper is still on there.
    I *think* there was DNA in the JonBenet case, but Idr. Her body was moved by her father after he found her in the basement, so I think a lot the forensic evidence was eventually considered corrupted. Plus, relatives & friends wandered all over that house that day; someone even cleaned the kitchen! The cops should?ve made everyone leave so that any usable crime scene evidence could be collected- oops!
    About the link you posted- yes, it would be great if some of these crimes could be solved. It?s disturbing to realize how many serial killers there really are ?out there somewhere.?

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    Yeah, I believe there was DNA, that is how they were able to rule out that crazy dude who decided to randomly confess (his DNA didn't match).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    Yeah, I believe there was DNA, that is how they were able to rule out that crazy dude who decided to randomly confess (his DNA didn't match).
    Correct. There is some speculation that the DNA is actually contamination from the lab and not actually linked to the killing, but if they can make a match...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezebelle View Post
    I would looove it if this case were solved! It would also be cool if they IDed Jack The Ripper as puzzld mentioned, but that was such a long time ago... Still, you never know.
    SO what are the odds of solving the JonBenet murder?
    Living in Colorado, I would LOVE this.


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    So wait...the DNA from the Zodiac case has never even been checked to see if they can get a profile...or if they could match it up in CODIS?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-c...uld-be-n871601

    Experts say another question is whether or not the evidence in the Zodiac file was stored in a cool, dry place or in a freezer. Because advances in DNA technology didn't start to change investigative protocols until the 1980s, the samples kept by Zodiac detectives would have had time to degenerate and take on bacteria.

    "Back in those days nobody knew you could get DNA from the back of stamps," Ballard says.

    "Bacteria loves things that are moist," agrees John Taddie, director of DNA testing lab LB Genetics in Santa Ana, California. "That could jeopardize the samples."

    Harmor said detectives chasing the elusive Zodiac Killer will still need a lot of luck.

    First of all, the DNA has to be good enough to use. Then the databases used by investigators — they'll likely check the FBI's Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) before using open-source family tree sites — will likely need a lot of samples for comparison. Most importantly, any database would need to include a relative of the suspect to produce a match.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...id=mailsignout

    Cold case team says Zodiac Killer ID'd, linking him to another murder

    A team of specialists who investigate cold cases says it has identified the Zodiac Killer, one of America's most prolific serial murderers who terrorized communities in the San Francisco area in the late 1960s with a series of brutal slayings and unsolvable riddles.

    The Case Breakers, a team of more than 40 former law enforcement investigators, journalists and military intelligence officers, has tackled other mysteries such as the D.B. Cooper hijacking heist, the disappearance of former labor union boss Jimmy Hoffa and other unsolved cases. The group believes the killer is responsible for a slaying hundreds of miles away that was never linked to him.

    The Zodiac Killer has been connected to five murders that occurred in 1968 and 1969 in the San Francisco area. Unlike most serial killers, the Zodiac taunted authorities with complex ciphers in letters sent to newspapers and law enforcement. The slayings have spawned books, movies and documentaries in the years since, and amateur and professional sleuths have pored over the case in an effort to unmask the killer.

    In the decades since the first murder, many potential suspects have been investigated.

    The Case Breakers is now saying it has identified the Zodiac Killer as Gary Francis Poste, who passed away in 2018. The team's years of digging uncovered new forensic evidence and photos from Poste's darkroom. One image features scars on the forehead of Poste that match scars on a sketch of the Zodiac, the team said.

    Other clues include deciphering letters sent by the Zodiac that revealed him as the killer, said Jen Bucholtz, a former Army counterintelligence agent who works on cold cases. In one note, the letters of Poste's full name were removed to reveal an alternate message, she told Fox News.

    "So you've got to know Gary's full name in order to decipher these anagrams," Bucholtz said. "I just don't think there's any other way anybody would have figured it out."

    The team believes Poste also killed Cheri Jo Bates on Oct. 31, 1966, in Riverside, Calif., hundreds of miles south from the San Francisco area and two years before the first killing linked to the Zodiac occurred. Bates, 18, was found dead in an alleyway on the Riverside City College campus after her father phoned police to report her missing.

    The following year, authorities received a handwritten letter that led investigators to believe the killing may be linked to the Zodiac Killer. In 2016, investigators received an anonymous typed letter from someone who admitted to writing the earlier note and said it was a "sick joke."

    "The author admitted that he was not the Zodiac killer or the killer of Cheri Jo Bates and that he was just looking for attention," the police department said.

    Investigators later confirmed the author was not involved in the Bates murder, and the Zodiac was never linked to the crime.

    "Our Homicide Cold Case Unit has determined the murder of Cheri Jo Bates in 1966 is not related to the Zodiac killer," the Riverside Police Department's Homicide Cold Case Unit told Fox News. "We understand the public interest in these unsolved murders, but all inquiries regarding the Zodiac Killer should be referred to the FBI."

    "The Cheri Jo Bates case remains an open investigation and we do not have any additional details to release at this time," the police added.

    The Case Breakers believe Bates was Zodiac's sixth victim and have tried getting investigators to compare her DNA to that of Poste, to no avail, the team said. According to a 1975 FBI memo to Riverside police obtained by the team, the agency said Bates was a Zodiac victim.

    "The real portion here has everything to do with ego and arrogance," Case Breakers team member Bill Proctor, a former police officer who spent 40 years in television news, told Fox News of the Riverside Police Department. "They're not talking about what they have which means that anybody else who comes to the table might have a reasonable argument that an outside organization's information is as valuable, if not more valuable, than what the police department has already done."

    The team said a series of coincidences connect Bates and Poste: Poste was an Air Force veteran when he received medical check-ups for a gun incident at a hospital located 15 minutes away from the Bates murder scene. A wristwatch with paint splatter on it was collected at the murder scene and is thought to have been worn by the killer.

    Poste painted homes for more than four decades, the team said. In addition, detectives found a heel print from a military-style boot, which matched the same style and size of those found in other Zodiac crime scenes and of Poste.

    This year, the Riverside Police Department offered a $50,000 reward for information leading to a conviction in the decades-old murder case.
    Fox News has reached out to the Vallejo Police Department and the FBI and unsuccessfully tried reaching out to relatives of Poste. The San Francisco Police Department said it was unable to speak about potential suspects in the Zodiac case because it remains an ongoing investigation.

    A California woman who lived next door to Poste and his wife told Fox News she believes he's the Zodiac Killer after seeing the evidence collected so far. Gwen, who declined to give her last name, said Poste and his wife babysat her as a child in the 1970s and '80s. He would teach her how to shoot firearms several times a week but was also controlling and abusive towards his wife, she said.

    She declined to elaborate further. Poste also became somewhat of a father figure to his son's friends, she said.

    "He lived a double life," she said. "As I'm adult thinking back, it all kind of makes sense now. At the time when I was a teenager, I didn't put two-and-two together until I got older. It hit me full-blown that Gary's the Zodiac."

    Hans Smits told Fox News he spent 10 years hiding a whistleblower who said he escaped a criminal "posse" headed by Poste. The man, who The Case Breakers only referred to as Wil, told Smits the posse roamed California's High Sierra region and that he was "groomed into a killing machine."

    In addition, Wil said he witnessed Poste burying murder weapons in the woods, Smits said.

    "They put out several bear caches out there in case something happened," Smits said.

    Smits said he gave Wil financial, logistical and emotional support over the years and moved him around for nearly 10 years in an effort to keep him safe.

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    So this isn't an official ID, just what the group believes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic B View Post
    So this isn't an official ID, just what the group believes?
    yes. But this group has solved a bunch of other cold cases.

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    Oh I don't doubt they are probably right, just waiting on it to be "official" like DNA match.

    I am curious to know when in 2018 he died...I wonder if Ron was right or off by a few months lol.


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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...olved-n1281002

    'The case remains open': FBI rebuts claim Zodiac Killer case is solved

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