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    Do these people not know that sex workers exist?

    Also: to nomad's point... sounds like voluntary celibacy to me.
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    r/IncelTears exposes some of the incel culture and it is both funny and frightening.

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    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...426-story.html

    Update Elliot Roger is now at play again 4 years after the UC Santa Barbara attacks.

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    The more I read about 'incels,' the more convinced I become that my teenage neighbour could very well be a part of that 'community' 😕

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***JiLL*** View Post
    r/IncelTears exposes some of the incel culture and it is both funny and frightening.

    Incel culture? Damn how many of these people are later to be harassers, domestic abusers and rapists once they are in a proximity to a woman or anybody. But then again this word incel is just coming into play here.

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    The victims are:
    Geraldine Brady, 83
    Andrea Bradden, 33
    Ji-Hun Kim, 22
    Renuka Amarasingha, 45
    Sohe Chung, 22
    Anne Marie D’Amico, 30
    Betty Forsyth, 94
    Chul Min “Eddie” Kang, 45
    Munir Najjar, 85
    Dorothy Sewell, 80

    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...stigation.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FamousLastWords View Post
    The victims are:
    Geraldine Brady, 83
    Andrea Bradden, 33
    Ji-Hun Kim, 22
    Renuka Amarasingha, 45
    Sohe Chung, 22
    Anne Marie D’Amico, 30
    Betty Forsyth, 94
    Chul Min “Eddie” Kang, 45
    Munir Najjar, 85
    Dorothy Sewell, 80

    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...stigation.html
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/l...-a8335816.html

    The incel rebellion — how involuntary celibates are dangerous in their desires

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    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/202...ack-trial.html

    Alek Minassian does not meet test to be found ‘not criminally responsible,’ psychiatrist tells court

    A renowned forensic psychiatrist testified Thursday that in his opinion Alek Minassian does not meet the test to be found not criminally responsible for running down pedestrians in a rented van, killing 10 people and injuring 16.

    Dr. John Bradford, who was retained by the defence to assess Minassian, said there may be a “hypothetical pathway” to a not criminally responsible finding available to Minassian based on his autism spectrum disorder alone — something that would be a legal first in Canada. But, based on Bradford’s own admittedly limited expertise with autism spectrum disorder, he doesn’t think it is viable because the symptoms of the disorder do not appear to deprive a person of an operating mind.

    “My personal opinion is that, I accept that autism spectrum disorder, including high-functioning autism spectrum disorder, is a significant mental disorder. I don’t believe it reaches the impact that psychosis does,” Bradford said.

    “To get to the type of impact on the operating mind that I’m used to, you need to be psychotic. So I can’t get my head around how this would impact on a person’s operating mind to the person that would get them into Section 16,” he said, referring to the section of the Criminal Code that lays out the criteria for being found not criminally responsible.

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    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/psychiatri...222800158.html

    The man who killed 10 people after driving a van down a Toronto sidewalk had anger issues, felt powerless and haunted by his failures and knew right from wrong, court heard Tuesday.

    Dr. Percy Wright, a forensic psychologist testifying for the prosecution, painted a starkly different picture of Alek Minassian than a U.S.-based psychiatrist for the defence who testified that Minassian didn't understand the moral wrongfulness of his actions.

    Wright said that Minassian, 28, is an intelligent man whose actions on April 23, 2018, cannot be explained by autism spectrum disorder.

    "I don't understand how autism spectrum disorder can somehow surgically strike and render someone unable to know killing is wrong, particularly in this context when the person is saying they know it's wrong and this person can function and navigate many areas of their life," Wright said.

    Minassian has pleaded not guilty to 10 counts of first-degree murder and 16 of attempted murder.

    The defence argues that Minassian should be found not criminally responsible for his actions due to autism spectrum disorder.

    Minassian has admitted to planning and carrying out the attack, which leaves his state of mind at the time the sole issue at trial.

    Dr. Alexander Westphal testified that Minassian lacks empathy and does not understand the moral wrongfulness of killing 10 people, but said a finding of criminal responsibility is a legal matter rather than a psychiatric one.

    Wright told the court, which is being held by videoconference due to the pandemic, that Minassian is capable of moral reasoning and understands other people's thoughts and feelings.

    He said he conducted a battery of psychological tests with Minassian. He said Minassian scored average-to-above average when compared to the general population — and much higher compared to those with autism spectrum disorder — on all the tests.

    "He can think non-literally, can think outside the box and not as concrete as you would expect someone with autism spectrum disorder," Wright said.


    He said Minassian is very hard on himself.

    "He is quite haunted by his sense that he has failed academically, struggled with procrastination and really is quite a harsh self-critic as opposed to a lot of individuals with autism spectrum disorder.

    Minassian scored slightly above average for anger but was able to keep his anger hidden.

    "I want to be clear these scores are not extremely elevated and do not match up well with the eventually tragic outcome here," Wright said.

    He said Minassian was a very introverted person who was anxious and socially avoidant, and who "doesn't have a lot of positive emotional experiences."

    Court has heard that Minassian told several psychiatrists and psychologists he had long fantasized of school shootings and thought a lot about shooting up his high school because he was bullied, but he did not know how to get a gun.

    That provides a better way to understand Minassian than through his disorder, he said.

    "I think there’s a very real risk of overusing the autism spectrum disorder lens," Wright said.

    "This is an individual who for many years has thought about killing people."

    The defence closed its case earlier Tuesday after seven days of testimony from Westphal, a forensic psychiatrist.

    Westphal testified that Minassian lacked the so-called theory of mind, or the ability to take the perspective of other people and to understand others have different thoughts and feelings than their own.

    Wright, however, said Minassian demonstrated the theory of mind quite capably, the only unusual aspect to Minassian's thought processes is that he took a long time to answer some questions.

    Wright said he administered one test that focused on dating and interactions between men and women. It is an area of socialization that is difficult for many with autism spectrum disorder, he said, who have trouble picking up on social cues.

    An example of a problem put to Minassian is whether a man gave an overture towards a woman either too early or too late, he explained.

    "It was one of the more telling tests for me in terms of watching him, especially given the time to figure it out — which, to his credit, he likes to spend time, likes to figure things out — how much theory of mind he actually demonstrated," Wright said.

    "He obviously doesn't really have true dating experience, but has thought about it and was able to answer virtually every question right on this test."

    Minassian has told several psychiatrists that he was lonely and struggled with women. He has also said one of the reasons he committed the attack was retribution against society for years of rejection by women.

    Another psychiatrist previously testified that Minassian does not meet the test to be found not criminally responsible.

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