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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiebla View Post
    This one gets to me too. I think he knew the victims, since he taught bible study at that church. To me that's even worse than shooting a bunch of strangers.
    This one really didn't get to me, and part of that is the location. Yes, I realize how bad that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_NYC View Post
    This one really didn't get to me, and part of that is the location. Yes, I realize how bad that is.
    It got to me, but then again they all do. This one, though, when I read he was targeting crying babies... fuck.
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    Remember people, this is not a guns issue, but a mental health issue. Frankly, I think that we need to change the gun laws. However, if they didn't change after Sandy Hook, then I have no hope that they will ever change. Look at how they're excited because a gun owner shot him. Maybe he was going to go kill more people and they were just in time. Or maybe he was going somewhere to kill himself because he couldn't live with the fact that he killed innocent babies. At least he saved Texas from killing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowieluva View Post
    Obviously I am guessing here but Christians tend to rewrite narratives to portray how persecuted they are, wouldn't surprise me at all if they were making it up or loosely interpreting what his issue was.

    I don't know ... But there's a guy I was friends with in high school/college, and man, I don't know what's wrong with him, but he's an angry, rotten turd who freaks out on people who say anything remotely religious. A few years ago, I made a totally innocuous Facebook post along the lines of, "Thank God it finally rained, because my garden was turning to dust," and he went ballistic. I basically lol'd at him while he made numerous comments excoriating me and calling me an idiot for thanking God.

    I didn't feel "persecuted," I just felt like he was a giant, gaping asshole. I have never and would never criticize him for being an atheist, and I expect the same level of respect from him. (And I have many athiest friends ... people I've been close to since we were kids ... and they don't act like that. We accept/respect each other's beliefs.) He and I used to be good buds. It was just totally uncalled for.

    Out of everyone I know, I'd probably vote him "most likely to commit a mass shooting."

    I got the impression this shooter was posting that kind of stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queena View Post
    Remember people, this is not a guns issue, but a mental health issue. Frankly, I think that we need to change the gun laws. However, if they didn't change after Sandy Hook, then I have no hope that they will ever change. Look at how they're excited because a gun owner shot him. Maybe he was going to go kill more people and they were just in time. Or maybe he was going somewhere to kill himself because he couldn't live with the fact that he killed innocent babies. At least he saved Texas from killing him.

    From what I've read, the military admittedly dropped the ball on this because they failed to report his military conviction to civilian authorities, which would have prevented him from buying those guns. He should've failed the background check. So, at least in this one instance, there is a law that should've prevented this. I hope some heads are gonna roll for that ... but, in reality, that doesn't do any good for all the dead and injured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TupeloHoney View Post
    I don't know ... But there's a guy I was friends with in high school/college, and man, I don't know what's wrong with him, but he's an angry, rotten turd who freaks out on people who say anything remotely religious. A few years ago, I made a totally innocuous Facebook post along the lines of, "Thank God it finally rained, because my garden was turning to dust," and he went ballistic. I basically lol'd at him while he made numerous comments excoriating me and calling me an idiot for thanking God.

    I didn't feel "persecuted," I just felt like he was a giant, gaping asshole. I have never and would never criticize him for being an atheist, and I expect the same level of respect from him. (And I have many athiest friends ... people I've been close to since we were kids ... and they don't act like that. We accept/respect each other's beliefs.) He and I used to be good buds. It was just totally uncalled for.

    Out of everyone I know, I'd probably vote him "most likely to commit a mass shooting."

    I got the impression this shooter was posting that kind of stuff.
    Yeah but you're not a conservative Baptist from a hick ass town who probably cried about the war on Christmas when Starbucks changed their cups and genuinely thinks heathens in big cities become violent when you wish them merry christmas.

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    The church has been turned into a memorial




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    I thought it was some kind of art installation until I read your explanation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia View Post
    The church has been turned into a memorial



    That is haunting.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/us/su...dow/index.html
    The widow of the Sutherland Springs church shooter says the Devin Kelley who perpetrated the massacre isn't the person she fell in love with, but rather, a broken young man who had lost his faith in God.
    In a series of interviews with the San Antonio Express-News, Danielle Kelley said that she contemplated suicide after the killing spree in the one-traffic-light town outside San Antonio, but has since returned to the church where the shooting unfolded.
    "No matter what, I will love him," Danielle Kelley told the newspaper. "Even though he went off and ruined more people's lives than I could ever imagine."

    'We had no secrets'

    She met her future husband when she was 13. He was 17. Theirs was a bond of shared hardships.
    Adopted when she was four years old, Danielle Kelley was prone to cutting herself. She had been abused -- including being scalded with hot water -- before adoption, and a male relative sexually abused her after she was adopted. She tried to kill herself during her senior year of high school, she told the newspaper.

    Devin Kelley had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and confided in her that he had been bullied as a child. Classmates thought he was "creepy," but she didn't see him that way.

    Danielle Kelley says her life with Devin Kelley was tumultuous.

    "We had no secrets," Danielle Kelley said. "He only ever kept one from me."
    Devin Kelley joined the military in 2010, the year after graduating high school in New Braunfels, Texas. He and Danielle Kelley kept in touch, although he was married to another woman.
    His time in the Air Force was marked with problems. He was caught sneaking weapons onto a New Mexico base. He threatened to kill his commanding officers and was sent to a mental health facility.
    The Air Force eventually court-martialed him after he assaulted his then-wife and cracked his stepson's skull. Though Danielle Kelley blames the boy's injury on his first wife, Devin Kelley conceded in a video statement that he'd made a mistake.
    'Devin was sick'
    After the Air Force, Devin Kelley was easily upset, Danielle Kelley told the newspaper. He'd yell and swear, and she'd block him from contacting her phone.
    He always apologized, and she always unblocked him. Her adoptive mother, Michelle Shields, said this was a theme: Devin Kelley would be controlling and abusive, and Danielle Kelley would either accept it or act as if it hadn't happened. Danielle Kelley told the newspaper she would defend Devin Kelley if Shields tried to intervene.
    After they married in 2014, Devin Kelley accompanied her everywhere. He'd tag along on every errand and pick her up and drop her off from her job as a cashier.


    "It was frustrating," Danielle Kelley said. "But you would be surprised, when everything's gone, how much I miss it."
    About six months before the November 2017 massacre, Devin Kelley grew more depressed. His temper got shorter. Fights were common. He abused his anxiety medication and never wanted to go outside, Danielle Kelley said.
    In April 2016, he bought an assault-style rifle and began accumulating clips that hold more than 30 bullets.
    On the rare occasion Danielle Kelley could convince him to go to church, he would laugh during sermons. He became an atheist and told her that if God existed, he wouldn't let the couple endure so many hardships.
    "Devin was sick. He lost who he was. Because the real Devin would've never hurt babies. He was a family person. He would never have hurt anybody," Danielle Kelley told the Express-News. "He lost the touch of reality."
    'I'll be right back'
    On the morning of November 5, Devin Kelley took his wife into the bedroom, where their 2-year-old son, Michael, watched his father tie his screaming mother to the bed with rope, handcuffs and duct tape, Danielle Kelley said.
    He kissed 5-month-old Raeleigh and told Michael, "I'll be right back," Danielle Kelley said. Devin Kelley grabbed his Ruger AR-556 and two handguns. He donned tactical gear and a bulletproof vest.
    "You get a sense of what's going to happen," Danielle Kelley told the newspaper. "Because no one just leaves in all-black attire with a ballistic vest."

    Among the 26 people he killed at the First Baptist Church that day were Danielle Kelley's friends, people she admired, children she once babysat.
    No one seems to know exactly what set off the murder spree, but when Devin Kelley first walked into the church, he seemed to be aiming for the corner of the sanctuary where Shields usually sat. She wasn't there that day.
    "If it was only me that could've died and everybody else could've been alive, I would've gladly taken that," Danielle Kelley said.
    Devin Kelley called his parents and wife after the killings. He had previously told his parents to go to his home because Danielle Kelley was there and needed help. They begged him to stop.
    "He was like 'I can't, I've killed so many people. So, so many people,'" Danielle Kelley recalled. "He kept saying how sorry he was."
    Return to First Baptist
    A neighbor, Stephen Willeford, shot Devin Kelley with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, then chased him in a car. Devin Kelley drove his Ford Expedition into a ditch and called his wife and parents again.
    He told them he wasn't coming home but that he loved them -- before shooting himself in the head.
    "How could you leave me with two kids to raise?" Danielle Kelley said she asked in the days after the shooting. "And how could you destroy so many other people because you couldn't face things in life?"
    The First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs is now a memorial honoring those who died.
    The First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs is now a memorial honoring those who died.
    She said she doubted her belief in God for a time, but has since returned to First Baptist Church, where Shields says she has been welcomed back.
    "Nobody truly knows somebody," Danielle Kelley told the newspaper. "You can live with that person and love that person for years, and you still cannot truly know that person because you can't know their inner thoughts and feelings."
    She hopes her story emboldens others to shake off the stigma of therapy and seek help when they need it.
    "I wish people had more compassion and for people, to take things seriously when somebody says they don't want to live anymore. Or little factors that say, 'You're not the same person,'" she said. "Because it's OK to get help. It won't mean that you're different; it just means that you need a little extra love in life."
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    I'm glad that they're actually holding someone responsible for not doing their job. It's just a shame that by saying "order the Airforce to pay..." they actually mean US.
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